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BamaKat
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unbelievable!!
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8/31/2010 9:00:40 AM
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We have had 4 days of rain, a holiday weekend coming up & APCO still keeps taking the water to a lower level.They could have just left it at 463.5 - 463.75 but no now it is at 463.0
(I don't need to hear about us needing our electricity, we have been having cooler days so our air conditioners are not running as much & I don't need to hear about water levels in 2005 or 1995 either)
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jace
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unbelievable!!
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8/31/2010 9:14:53 AM
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I agree with you Bamakat . Their is a lot of good weather left for boating and fishing in the next 2 months
. I dont understand AP. I do believe that AP would like for everyone to move off the lake They dont want anyone on the waterfront!!!!! Please dont try to tell me about the power and air they produce everytime I post something someone will tell me all the reasons Im wrong. I would just like to have a season on the water that last longer than six weeks. It cost a lot of money to keep a place on the lake. Its my only retreat! It cant be that hard to control the water levels . They seem to control it just fine up and down stream. Just venting
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MovinFr8
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unbelievable!!
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8/31/2010 11:09:49 AM
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Neither of you are wrong........ APCO has the powert to control the water level and they choose to let it get lower and lower..... It is well below the average for this year and the weather will allow us another month or more to enjoy the lake but APCO chooses to cut our year short and lower the water to levels too low for some to use the lake.
An article was written a few years back about the dam and APCO said that the power from the dam was not needed in everyday use and they get sufficient power from other sources so the need to generate power is a poor excuse. You would think they would want to keep the levels up so more power would be used around the lake.
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midagefeller
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unbelievable!!
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8/31/2010 6:43:37 PM
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Well,, What would you care to hear about?
That APCO owns the lake?
That they might be generating hydro power in an effort to conserve fossil fuel?
Would you care to hear that it in actuality hasnt rained that much on the Eastern Side of the State as compared to the more western areas?
Possibly those Runs of the Rivers below Logan Martin are requiring that Logan Dam be operated so as to remain in accordance with Corps of Engineer guidelines?
Honestly, I dont like the low water any more than anyone else and will probably have to pull my boat this next week due to the lake elevation,, but,, it is what it is and Not wanting to hear about something isnt gonna make it better. Ive been here, done that.
If I were so unhappy I would probably sell out and move, actively seek out some sucker with a thick wallet and let him or her have it.
Exactly What is it you would care to hear?
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BamaKat
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unbelievable!!
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8/31/2010 7:22:46 PM (updated 8/31/2010 7:41:05 PM)
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Midagefeller, Funny that you knew exactly who I was talking about, haha If memory is correct you don't even have a place on the lake, it is your parents.
In answer to your question, nothing from you, every time someone says anything about the lake you come in with your useless comments about something 5 years ago.
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twc
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unbelievable!!
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8/31/2010 8:36:44 PM
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The truth of the matter is several APCO execs live on Lay. The run of the river thing is just an excuse to keep the water level up. AND. The extra water is helping to cover the pollutants that KC released into the Coosa River way back in the day. Remember when you couldn't eat the fish from Lay Lake? And I have caught more than one with some really weird fins and 3 eyes.
It is really sad that we lose so much water so early. Be that as it may. I'd rather be here than anywhere else I know of. I looked at a couple of places on Lay before buying here. Need I say more?
Peace,
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TC
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BamaKat
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8/31/2010 9:14:50 PM
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I had a cabin cruiser in wet slip on Lake Martin a few years, the water is clearer because the lake is deeper and has more rocky shoreline but as for as the lake goes Logan Martin is just as good. Not only that I can be there from B'ham in less than an hour verses 2 hours to Martin. The last two weeks have been nice with less boats on the water but with the water level down I only had about 4 feet at my pier & my Sea Ray needs 3 so there is little room to spare. I had to raise the trim just to be safe when docking. At 463 or lower i will have to stick with the Sea Doo's
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crest11
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8/31/2010 9:35:42 PM
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Im with ya BamaKat . In all actuallity since we have had the rain the water level has dropped dramattically . Glee and I arent singing right now.
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midagefeller
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9/1/2010 5:56:16 AM
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Useless comments,possibly ,to you. But Ive yet to make a comment on the past history of the lake that were intentionally incorrect.
The comments I have posted here are simply made to show that there is nothing out of the ordinary where the lake levels are concerned. None of my comments are ,or should be, construed as any type of defending APCO. My comments are based on facts and averages, to the best of my ability and knowledge.
I do in fact own a place on the lake as well as a brand spanking new pontoon boat.
History: My parents purchased the place I now own in 1990, shortly afterward they retired. Over the past 21 years and especially the last 10, I worked to maintain the place with my brother ( who resides on the lake) helping me when I needed help. As of 2009 I now own the place due to inheritance, lost my Mother in April , last year and my Dad in June , last year. My brother and his wife ( she grew up spending summers on Leisure Island and has a long history on the lake, isnt whining about the lake level because she has witnessed the varying elevations since she was a teenager, shes now in her 60s), having a very nice place on the lake, agreed that Mom and Dads place should be mine. I never saw my parents so happy as when they were at the lake and was with my Dad whe he bought his pontoon boat, he was as thrilled as I ever saw the man. I traded that boat in this spring for two reasons, 1, it was beginning to need work and 2, the main reason, I couldnt stand to walk out on the porch and see it sitting next to the pier without he and Mom on it.
Logan Martin Lake elevations vary, sometimes dramatically, its nothing new and will probably continue to do so. You can accept it or leave but I can tell you that crying about it and posting about it on a internet forum isnt gonna change the history nor the future of it.
haha, back atcha
Have a nice day, go fishing or swimming,, the year isnt over yet
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BamaKat
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9/1/2010 9:15:35 AM (updated 9/1/2010 9:43:38 AM)
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I'm sorry that you lost your parents but your attacking everyone that posts about the water is unacceptable & we do not need to hear about 2005 over & over again nor the need for electricity. I think everyone here enjoys modern conveniences including electricity, indoor plumbing & reading forums on the internet.
Don't you find it odd that we can have 4 days with rain & AP lower the water 6 inches? I have always believed in keeping a raining day fund, just in case an air conditioner or car breaks down, What happens when they give away our water and there is a drought later in the year or next Spring. Why not keep the level a little higher than needed. Also we only had full pool about 4 weeks if not less this year & we had plenty of rain in the spring, that is rediculous.
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jace
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9/1/2010 10:07:36 AM
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Well luckey you I dident have a inheritance. I have real money invested here As far as packing up and leaving thats not totaly out of the question . But waterfront is hard to sell without water. I see a gold mine for Pell City , Linclon, Riverside I cant understand why they dont take advantage of it. Looking foward to negative responce!!!
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midagefeller
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9/1/2010 12:15:35 PM
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Thank you for your condolences.
I honestly have yet to ATTACK anyone, nor have I any attention of doing so.
I will point out, as I have ,several times, that the past history of the lake levels have everything to do with what is happening now. As things are now is nothing out of the ordinary.
Also please allow me to admit, I once mentioned, during the drought, that I couldn't understand why Logan was so much lower than Lay when it was pointed out to me ( this was some time back) by a regular poster that Lay was considered "run of the river", something I had never heard of before. It made more sense to me then and still does.
I watch the weather closely as it affect, my work. I also was at our place last Saturday evening when a BIG storm rolled through. Over all, the eastern side of the state has seen much less rain than the mid and western part, therefore due to less rain and maintaining the flows in the lakes ( runs of river) south of Logan, then we are stuck with lower water levels. These passing storms may drop a lot of water at some point but are not what is needed to refill the lake to summer elevation. Think where it might be had we not had the rain from the last tropical low. Im ,at this time, appreciative that the level is where it is and intend to enjoy it, it could be worse.
Well, have work to do as soon s I pacify jace,
Have a nice day :)
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midagefeller
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9/1/2010 12:27:31 PM
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First, you don't know me nor have you any idea what and how much Ive spent on our place over the years since 1991. I don't keep records, but trust me, its been plenty.
Second, If you consider watching your Mom and Dad during their last days, feeding them, helping them onto a bedside potty, tucking them in at night and then seeing them die so as to be able to say you are LUCKY to have inherited something, you are a warped ,sick, and inhuman individual.
Personally, I consider it to have been an honor and privilege to have been in a position to have done what I did. NO reward in the way of any material items would have been necessary.
Keep crying about the water level ,just please do it in Logan Martin water shed, maybe it'll come back up.
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RvrRatt
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9/1/2010 12:29:26 PM
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I understand the whole "run of the river" conncept. And yes, according to the US Drought Monitor, we are abnormally dry but not in drought.
But, according to historical information, we are below the Corp of Engineers curve and below what is normal for this time of year. I have been on the lake long enough to know the plug is not normally pulled in late August and that is what is happening now.
I have no doubt that the abnormally dry situation has something to do with our level but I truly believe the lake could be better managed by both APCO and the Corp of Engineers. They currently use outdated curves and data based on initial estimates used as the dam was originally being permitted. This is ludicrous as more than enough time has passed for more relevant data to be used to manage the lake and river.
RiverRatt
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Cobra122
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9/1/2010 7:16:58 PM
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Peace, Guys, enough is enough. We have problems to deal with and each of us has
our own thoughts about the situation--all are valid and have value--just different points of view.
With that said, I like the idea of forming some sort of organization to unite our voices and try constructively to get something done. If anyone comes up with that
or a way to do it, I am in with all of you regardless of what your individual opinions my be. My only concern is what I feel is best for our lake, its residents,
vistors and communities. And may we all be good neighbors.
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MovinFr8
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Ditto Cobra
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9/1/2010 11:02:37 PM
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I agree with Cobra, we all have our gripes and a forum and email can be misunderstood at times.
Midage your matter of fact comments just rubs people the wrong way sometimes when people have a need to vent against the only villan that is obvious at the moment and its APCO not you.
A few years back we joined the LMLPA and went to a few meetings. While I do think with the right leadership this could be a valuable orginazation what I saw was people that have lived on the lake for MANY more years than I have and their gripes were more toward the modernization of the lake and the "younger crowd" that had seemed to inhabit the lake now with seadoos and power boats. They seemed to have a relationship with APCO but it was more of an informational relationship than the business relationship that there needs to be.
I am not sure a new orginazation would be the way to go but instead we become active in the current LMLPA and try and accomplish something or at least get some of the answers we constantly question.
I dropped my membership last year but would be willing to join back if there is a need for my voice or vote.
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midagefeller
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Ditto Cobra
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9/2/2010 6:19:53 AM
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Cobra, Movin,
Thanks for your comments.
My matter of fact comments arent intended to rile people, they are intended, to the best of my ability and knowledge of the lake and it levels based on the years weve been going there to be informative and to explain that this subject is nothing new. If my comments offend someone, it is because they allow themselves to be offended by what I believe to be facts and truth.
The Dam was built with two priorities, flood control and power generation. Due to the lake it backed up I have enjoyed may hours of fun and relaxation, even at low lake levels. Ive seen my children grow up while enjoying Logan Martin and am now being witness to my Grandchildren doing the same.
Something riverrat brought to mind that I hadnt thought of was the flow to keep the lake from becoming stagnant. As a fisherman I should have thought about that before.
We. my family, would prefer the lake be higher but we also refuse to allow the present low water cause any duress or anxiety because we understand it is nothing out of the ordinary, based on our history of going to the lake for over 20 years. We address it as needed and accept it as normal.
The mention of 4 to 6 days of rain has come up several times but in reality it just hasnt rained that much on the water sheds for Logan, Neely or Weiss therefore due to the flows required by those in power all three of those lakes are below the presently used scale.
You all enjoy the holiday weekend on the lake, there is no reason not to. I would like to be able to join you but personal issues are cause for this family to remain in Birmingham this weekend, other than my coming up long enough sometime to pull out the pontoon boat ( addressing the low water,no anxiety, just protecting our interest).
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PicklePatch
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Ditto Cobra
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9/4/2010 1:29:04 PM
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Midage, Do you live on Logan Martin or Lay Lake?
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midagefeller
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Ditto Cobra
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9/5/2010 5:31:33 AM
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My permanent residence is in Birmingham.
Our Lake place is on Logan Martin.
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