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RvrRatt
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Lake Level
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9/1/2010 10:19:47 AM
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Concerning the lake levels. I believe the drop has more to do with keeping levels up down stream than it does power generation. Also, the river must maintain a certain flow rate or we start to have dead fish and stagnation. (Had that a few weeks back in my slew) We seem to benefit more when there is rain upstream from Logan Martin as it appears local rain is let out of the lake almost as fast as it accumulates. So, perhaps we should do a rain dance for Rome Georgia and Gadsden!
As to the management of the lake. APCO and the Corp of Engineers are using outdated information, basically the same initial information they used at the lakes impounding. Thus the lake and its level are managed poorly. The levels should be adjusted up using all of the data gathered over the years instead of using initial estimates and managing the lake as it has always been managed. The winter lake level is way too low and should be at least 162 (as approved during the re-license procedure) instead of 160. If not for the damn law suits, the winter level would already 162. If it was, I believe our summer levels would be a little higher as a result. The fact that the Corp has agreed to the 162 winter level pretty much proves they are using old data to manage the lake.
Our current lake level is below the planned curve and below average. You can go to the APCO web site and turn on numerous graphs, including one representing levels for the entire history of the lake and see this is so. Again, poor management.
The area is unusually dry but we are nowhere near a drought (According to the US Drought monitor). There is absolutely no excuse for the lake to be as low as it is now. Period. That is except for piss poor management.
Other lakes across the country have worked diligently to build the political power of their lake associations to fight this sort of thing. Some have been successful some have not but for the most part they have become a force to be reckoned with.
Want to do something about the miss-management of the lake? Build LMLPA or another similar organization into a political force and over time we might see our lake level fluctuations become less severe.
My two cents worth.
RiverRatt
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RvrRatt
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9/1/2010 10:23:09 AM
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Please revise levels in my previous post to 460 and 462. Pardon the typo
RiverRatt
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BamaKat
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9/1/2010 11:49:52 AM
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Agreed, there is no reason other than miss management. We should have around full pool from 4/15 to at least 10/1. I was at Lake Martin a couple of years ago when they set a lenght on the boats, I had a 37 ft that was granfathered in. Even Russell Marine did not support the people on the lake & went with APCO and they were selling boats longer than what was being band by the law.
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lakegrl
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9/1/2010 11:52:01 AM
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I totally agree that there is no reason for the lake level to be so low. This is only my 2nd summer here and I have loved every minute of it, but it would be nice to have a longer season. I have only missed one weekend since Memorial Day and am sad that I will have to pull my pontoon on Labor Day. The water at my pier is only 4 feet and steadily dropping. When I bought here, I did not realize that full pool would be for such a short time. That being said, I don't regret buying here as the people make the lake. I would like more information about joining an association that may make a positive difference for our lake. This will probably be the last boating weekend on the lake and I plan on enjoying it with friends, family and football. This weekend it will be WAR EAGLE and starting next week I will proudly add WHO DAT to my chants!
What is LMPLA?
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jace
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9/1/2010 11:57:41 AM
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Thanks for your two cents. You are so right . Logan Martin seems to be the stepchild of the Coosa River. Not sure why. 20 min from Bham, 1+ hr from Atl, Nice regional airport, I20 goes stright through, Bass Pro Shop and shoping just min away both east and west. Yet theres not a Hotel on the water I would want to stay at
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RvrRatt
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9/1/2010 12:20:22 PM
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LMLPA is the Logan Martin Lake Protection Association. A good group of dedicated people who monitor water quality and do what they can for the wellfare of the lake and the lake property owners. Everyone around the lake or with an interest in the lake should be a member. Their numbers now are not what they should be to wield any real political or negotiating power or influence.
We (My wife and I) are members and I have been impressed with how much they do accomplish with such a small membership.
Should LMLPA not want to get heavily involved with politics, a sister organization could always be formed.
Probably an opportunity was missed during the re-license process although I do know the LMLPA was involved. Power equals numbers and we need numbers to make a difference.
RiverRatt
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BamaKat
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website
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9/1/2010 1:32:13 PM (updated 9/1/2010 1:47:42 PM)
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http://www.lmlpa.org/Logan_Martin_Lake_Protection_Association/Welcome.html
email I sent
Good Afternoon, I have a lake house on Logan Martin & was wondering if the LMLPA has had any contact with Alabama Power about keeping the lake water levels up longer than they do. This year we only had full pool less than 4 weeks & it is my understanding they still go by outdated lake management data & the winter level should only drop to around 462 which is almost where we are now. We have a beautiful lake & it is a shame we cannot enjoy it for a longer time period during the spring & summer months.
With Bass Pro Shop, Talladega Raceway, new St Vincent’s Hospital & a new shopping mall in Leeds the lake looks less desirable with low banks. Just last weekend we had 3 days of rain & Alabama Power lowered the lake several inches.
If we had higher levels for spring break the lake would attract families to spend the week at the lake instead of going to the gulf, spending $$ at local restaurants & businesses.
Please give me any insight you have and how I can help in what you have going
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DDA
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9/1/2010 3:37:49 PM
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I don't get it. I know that we have been dry for the past few weeks, but it was so frustrating this past weekend to watch the rain fall and the lake go even lower. It is a mystery why were near full pool for the month of June, and then have been dropping steadily since. Even Lake Lanier has been holding near full pool all summer and are currently down only a foot.
I'd also like a winter pool at 462, but only if there is more of a concerted flood management effort. As it seems to be managed now, starting with a 2' higher elevation will just result in my property being even 2 more feet underwater in times of heavy winter or spring rains. Is it really Logan Martin's purpose to hold/flood in winter and spring, and release in summer/fall so others on the Coosa chain have a near consistent level of water? Is that it; the best it will be?
As has been pointed out by others, there are so many positive attributes to this lake and the surrounding area. I hate to accept that we should just be thankful for whatever water level AP chooses to give us. Other than venting frustration to each other, what else do we do?
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BamaKat
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just checked & Lay lake is 6 inches from full…
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9/1/2010 5:28:06 PM
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MovinFr8
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It always will be
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9/1/2010 6:44:01 PM
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Never more than a foot.....look at its history
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BamaDave
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AP Not To Blame
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9/2/2010 10:22:11 PM
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Sorry guys, but I've been silent too long. AP is not to blame. I believe you will find that the Corp of Engineers regulates the winter and summer pool levels. They have been petitioned to raise the winter pool to 463. If what I have heard is true, the corp said they would consider it AFTER the recertification of the damn. I have no idea when that may be.
As far as the statement that the lake was full pool 4 weeks this summer is untrue. I live on the lake full time and I disagree. I won't get into a pi**ing contest but am aware of the levels everyday. It was full pool, ok just shy of it by inches, until just a few weeks ago. If you look at rainfall totals for the eastern part of the state and Northern Georgia, you will find we have not had much rain. That directly impacts the lake levels.
Having lived on the lake full time for 8 years and off and on for over 30, I find it funny when people complain about the levels. If one buys property on the lake without due diligence on their part, reseaching lake levels etc., shame on you and you shouldn't complain. Move where there is no flucuation in the levels like Lay Lake. I love my lake and no I don't like it when the lake is low and I sure as hell don't like it when it floods. But I live with it. The ones who complain when the lake is low, just wait til it's 8 feet over full pool. I'm sure you will blame Alabama Power for that also. Love it or leave it.
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jace
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AP Not To Blame
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9/3/2010 8:09:18 AM
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So your saying love it or leave it but dont try to improve on it! Thats not my thoughts when I see all the potential here . No one to blame just a poor system. I also have been on this lake for 40 yr . Still room for improvement
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RvrRatt
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AP Not To Blame
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9/3/2010 11:03:16 AM
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Well, I suppose we are beating a dead horse here but one final comment. And to clarify, I am not interested in a pi$$ing match either but I beg to differ. The lake can and should be managed much better than it is being managed now.
We did our research before we purchased our lake property. Having an engineering background, I probably did a little more than usual or more than was required. What I found was the Corp of Engineers and by extension APCO was using data to manage the lake that was estimated and compiled BEFORE the lake was impounded. No real adjustments since the early 60's! It doesnt take much of a stretch of the imagination to see where this is poor practice and poor management. With no real political pressure to do otherwise, the Corp and APCO continue to do what they have always done which is the easiest path. The data compiled since the lakes creation would suggest higher lake levels in particular the winter pool level, which is supposed to be adjusted to 462 once all the legal crap is cleared up (as if that will ever happen).
As to flooding, been there done that. I have seen my pier disappear three times now due to floods. No big deal. It just gives me an excuse to pressure wash it! If the damn thing washes away, It will just be an excuse to build a better one.
Yall have a great holiday weekend and dont get stuck in the mud!
RiverRatt
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