Name:	RickLake -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/15/2016 10:55:57 AM

A couple environmental groups filed an objection to the new license.  Presumably it will stay the implementation of the new rule curve until the objection is resolved.  Anyone know for sure?

Name:	Samdog -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/15/2016 5:06:24 PM

If this is true it would be helpful to us trying to finish waterfront projects in the lakebed.

Name:	John C -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/15/2016 7:42:40 PM

I would like to read more. Where did you see this? Thanks.

Name:	RickLake -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/15/2016 8:35:54 PM

Just emailed you the link

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/15/2016 9:03:19 PM

Can you post the link so we can look it up?? Thanks.

Name:	Osms -	Reply
Subject:	Link to FERC filing
Date:	1/16/2016 9:49:01 AM

The link below will lead to the FERC filing.  These three "tree hugger" groups exist to file challenges to everything.  Alabama Rivers, American Rivers, and World Wildlife Fund routinely file these documents at just about every opportunity they have.  Since they all have full time lawyers on staff, my guess is that it's more job justification than concern for the fishes.  The filing is over 80 pages of fill in the blank form letter type legalese.  Representatives of the organizations were at all of the Relicensing Meetings and were vocal about issues relating to fishes and critters in the river, primarily below the dam.  I have read most of the document and I have not seen any negative comments about the winter water level, nor the extended summer pool.  Hopefully, FERC will politely push this aside in a timely manner, but I suspect the implementation of new winter levels will not happen on January 20.  In talking with the representatives over the five years of meetings and watching their previous filings that requested more and more fish studies downstream (not in the lake), we are not surprised at their action.       

http://elibrary.FERC.gov/idmws/file_list.asp?accession_num=20160115-5153

Name:	RickLake -	Reply
Subject:	Link to FERC filing
Date:	1/16/2016 10:02:34 PM

Osms, you sound well connected and informed. How certain are you that due to this filing the new rule implementation will be delayed? The most recent notice from APC is the lake will go to 482 by Jan 20 and then the new rule of 483 will take effect. Thanks

Name:	Osms -	Reply
Subject:	Link to FERC filing
Date:	1/16/2016 10:26:17 PM

My post is pretty much my opinion based on what I've seen, read, and experienced the past 7 years of attending the relicensing meetings.   At this point, the ball is in FERC's court.  The three environmental groups have made their plea within the 30 day period allowed by FERC, so now FERC must rule to either throw out the plea or accept it.  APCo will proceed with implementation until it is given orders otherwise by FERC, which could be given as early as Monday, or never.  Who knows!  

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/17/2016 1:22:08 AM

From a laymans point of view and a cursory look at the eighty something pages of the petition, this petition seems to fall in line with the tangled mess we find when the bottom line appears to save every species that has existed from the beginning of time. The petition refers to the species or their critical habitat, which may be affected and includes the threatened Alabama moccaasinshell, the endangered Orange-nacre Mucket, the Finelined pocketbook, the Southern clubshell, the threatened Gulf sturgeon, and the endangered Alabama sturgeon. I agree with Osms, it seems like the work of a lot of lawyers trying to justify their existence.

Name:	Osms -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/17/2016 9:19:52 AM

It's also important to note that all their complaints are based on "in stream" critters, not fish in the lake.  I asked these folks more than once why they don't try to help promote the fishes in the lake as well.  The only answer I got was that they don't think there should be man made lakes.  Bass, bream, catfish, and humans don't count!

Name:	Samdog -	Reply
Subject:	Link to FERC filing
Date:	1/18/2016 10:06:07 AM

Looking at the operation schedule looks like they are holding at 482

Name:	Osms -	Reply
Subject:	Link to FERC filing
Date:	1/18/2016 11:06:26 AM

I noticed that in their morning email.  On 1/15, APCo announced the lake would get to 483' by 1/20 then start following the new license.  Of course, that announcement was probably made before the fish kissers FERC filing.

Name:	RickLake -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/20/2016 9:59:09 AM

Two more objections filed today by groups in Georgia.  However, I understand the new rule will be implemented starting today.  Unless there is a drought, we won't see 480 for five or six more years.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/20/2016 2:21:17 PM

Say it ain't so!!

Name:	RickLake -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/21/2016 12:31:44 PM

It's so - latest notice from APC said the rule was implemented yesterday, Jan 20.  I was at the lake yesterday with my wadders on.  The Christmas flood messed up a lot of people who figured we'd have at least a few weeks once the new rule was approved - and we would have had 30 days but for the flood.

Name:	roswellric -	Reply
Subject:	Yep!
Date:	1/21/2016 9:14:36 PM

Every regulation cuts both ways...

Name:	realfast64 -	Reply
Subject:	Objection filed to new license
Date:	1/22/2016 1:18:25 PM

  Brings to mind the old saying "Careful what you ask for" Lol.   Why do somany think we need to fix what aint broke?