Name:	Casey -	Reply
Subject:	More irony
Date:	8/2/2017 8:34:29 AM

Senator Lindsey Graham described the final effort at repeal of the ACA as "terrible policy and horrible politics," a "disaster" and a "fraud." But he voted for it anyway!  Ah, the irony here. (Please, no replies with the words 'Obama' or 'Hillary'.  No deflection.  The subject is Sen. Graham).

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	More irony
Date:	8/2/2017 9:07:55 AM

Ah the irony of a liberal democrat trotting out Graham or McCain.

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	More irony
Date:	8/2/2017 9:18:22 AM

seems he's obsessed with a TV camera--- almost daily

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	More irony
Date:	8/2/2017 9:26:00 AM (updated 8/2/2017 9:31:37 AM)

You've watched politics and politicians awhile, right?  Know the CYA principle?  Know how close the TV hungry Graham and McCain are?  "Ahhhh Lindsey I'm about out of here anyway.  Gonna vote it down.  You will need to anti-obamacare vote to get re-elected.  And if you are not re-elected who will CNN MSNBC and MSM get to talk down anything GOP is doing?  You vote for it.  I got Y A covered"

And if you read that carefully you will see that I DID NOT follow your instructions for omissions.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	More irony
Date:	8/2/2017 9:56:59 AM

It occurs to me that what Graham did was the same as playing Russian Roulette.   Vote for a bill to pass that he was opposed to, in hopes that the House would revise it into something he would like.... but with no certainty that the House wouldn't just pass along the flawed legislation to the President for signature.    I can't believe a sober conservative legislator would take those kind of chances with a bill that would affect 20% of the US economy, and the only reason I can think of for doing so is the 'hot potato' rule.

Pass all hot potatoes to the next guy so you aren't holding it when someone gets burned.   Maybe the Senate wanted the House to be held responsible for creating the crisis, not them.

If you stop to think about what we mean by the terms "conserative" and "liberal", conservative thinking has always been that which is cautious about change, slow to enact changes out of an abundance of caution and a belief that we need to be extremely careful not to cause unintended consequences.   "Conservative" has always been the opposite of "radical", but now we seem to have blended the two together into a new (and contradictory) political position.... the radical conservative who is willing to tear down everything without the usual conservative values.    Graham seems to vascillate between being the 'radical conservative' who would burn 15-24 million people's insurance while at the same time criticizing Trump for being foolish.

I still think there is enough of a split in the GOP's thinking that the party could break up, perhaps creating a more centerist party that will also attract moderate Democrats.   Listening to Senator Jeff Flake describe his new book that heavily criticizes the party for abandoning it's philosophical roots & supporting Trumpism, that split may be taking shape now IMO.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	More irony
Date:	8/2/2017 10:19:11 AM

Casey, I think when someone becomes a politician they have their irony removed.  If all we did all day was point out the ironies of politicians of all political parties we would have no time for anything else.  Regardless of the irony, Obamacare is imploding at a rapid pace as evidenced by the latest rate hike request news.  Sadly I have come to believe there is no bipartisan solution because all Democrats want to do is throw more money at a deeply flawed and failing law and the GOP cannot agree on anything that substantively changes the current paradigm.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	More irony
Date:	8/2/2017 7:37:59 PM

I believe that Lindsay Graham walks around with his finger in the air to figure out which way the wind is blowing and that is the direction he goes.  There is a reason he was not the Republican candidate voted to run for President.  He's a weak man, but at least he has a sense of humor.