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Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/6/2018 7:18:15 PM (updated 9/6/2018 7:23:11 PM)

A US citizen uses his 1st amendment right to write a whistle blower newspaper editorial which is highly critical of his employer.  The man he works for just happens to be the president of the United States.  That president shouts that person is guilty of TREASON and demands that the newspaper ''Reveal the name of the writer for national security reasons and turn him or her over to the government.''

I'm sure most on this forum will tut tut his response as just another forgivable example of Trump's ''unconventional'' style then rush defend Dear Leader, but that kind of talk from him positively confirms all the worst claims of the opinion piece and should scare hell out of every American!

Zieg Heil!!!





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 9:07:56 AM

So you are OK with taking things off the presidents desk and hiding information.  Says more about you then Trump

 

Zieg Heil indeed Komrad Antifatech.





Name:   au67 - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 9:13:41 AM

Arch, I nominate you to be the "Exalted Grand Pooh Bah" of the MAMA organization (Make America Mediocre Again)!





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 10:07:21 AM (updated 9/7/2018 10:09:27 AM)

 

Considering the mental instability and vileness of the president, I have less problem with that, especially since in the opinion of the man who supposedly did it (one of the few Trump staffers that was not prone to kiss up to Dear Leader) it was for the security of the nation, than with the president calling it treason for a citizen to use their constitutional right to express an opinion and to demand that person be revealed and ''turned over to the government''!  If you have no problem with the authoritarian direction Trump would clearly go if he could, then you are the one walking precariously close to what most Americans would consider treason and it says as much about you as it does about Trump!





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 10:47:29 AM

And to think that you have been baptized into the believer catagory of authoritarianism after 8 years of the pen and phone Kenyan.  You are so funny to think that now we are on the brink of authoritarianism now that Trump is gutting Obama's legacy of EO after EO.  Please keep it up, we need more laughs like this one.

Just like with the Schumer rule - keep in mind that Democrats are setting the rules for the next exchange of power.  Now that false information that can be used through the press to help chit pass for authentic intel by backing it up and using the FISA system to spy on the opposition has been set as precedence as well as weaponizing the IRS, FBI and DOJ has become standard protocol, but now you want to introduce an anonymous letter as "proof" Trump is unhinged and is now dictator in Chief?   And as long as you filter the money through enough lawyers it is apparently legal.

"where he could go if he could"  Yes he is going to push grandma over the cliff and execute all anti Trump media, liberals, progressives and everyone with darker skin then a vampire if he "could", and is only being stopped by Mr Anonymous stealing documents off the presidents desk and playing pretend president behind the scenes and you want to equate me with walking so close to treason?

I think I will pass on who/what you consider good for this country, you have proven youself unhinged and a danger to society.  You should really consider hvaing that looked at.

Quick question : What president had intel agencies monitor conversations of members of Congress and spied on journalists?  Which president? Ill give you a hint it was not Trump, it was your Kenyan love fest that you bowed to for 8 years and kissed his a$$ just like the media did giving him a pass on anything and everything.  

I have read on this site by someone who is posting without their actual name that you are a racist, mentally unhinged dumba$$ who runs around with a pink pu$$y hat on.  So those posts could be used as "evidence" in your kangaroo world.  Welcome to Antifatechs AmeriKan Kangroo Kourt System, guilty intil proven innocent and even then the standards of evidence is something written anonymously because it agrees with his already made up decision of guilt.

Keep it up, you are still proving me right and I hope that when you find yourself before a judge either in this world or the next he applies your standard to the evidence against you.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 11:23:14 AM (updated 9/7/2018 11:32:45 AM)

Of the 13 people who have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act for leaking secrets, eight were arrested under Obama's administration, according to Alexandra Ellerbeck, senior Americas and U.S. researcher with the Committee to Protect Journalists.

 

And prosecutors under Obama have spied on journalists and named a journalist an “unindicted co-conspirator,” according to the New York Times. Ellerbeck said that's just a step away from arresting a reporter for writing a story — and raises dangerous constitutional issues about freedom of the press.

 

According to reports at the time from even New York Times journalists, no administration was tougher on leakers and punishing to the media than Obama’s, a saga reinforced by reporters who have called Trump’s team more forthcoming.

Criticism of Obama’s attacks on the media and leakers did not just come in tweets and TV appearances by journalists but in an official report from the Committee to Protect Journalists, authored by former Washington Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr.

“This is the most closed, control freak administration I’ve ever covered,” said David E. Sanger, veteran chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times, in the report.

It detailed prosecutions and even the use of lie-detectors on staffers. Some have encouraged Trump to use lie-detector tests on his staff, something he has so far ignored.

“The administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration, when I was one of the editors involved in the Washington Post’s investigation of Watergate. The 30 experienced Washington journalists at a variety of news organizations whom I interviewed for this report could not remember any precedent,” wrote Downie in the report that was criticized by Obama officials.

The campaign was so aggressive it even had a name, said the report: “The Insider Threat Program.”

Said the 2013 report, “The Insider Threat Program being implemented throughout the Obama administration to stop leaks—first detailed by the McClatchy newspapers’ Washington bureau in late June—has already ‘created internal surveillance, heightened a degree of paranoia in government and made people conscious of contacts with the public, advocates, and the press,’ said a prominent transparency advocate, Steven Aftergood, director of the Government Secrecy Project at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington.”

 

Employees at some 16 intelligence agencies faced questions about leaking during lie-detector tests.

“And the new inspector general for the intelligence community, with jurisdiction over all its agencies, would investigate leak cases that had not produced prosecutions by the Justice Department to determine what alternative action should be taken,” added the report.

 

Zieg Heil indeed Komrad Antifatech, you are late as usual to your own party.

 

 





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 11:43:44 AM

Phil...Can you provide an executive summary of your posts to Archie? I assume you disagree with him.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 11:56:43 AM

Executive summary:

Anitfatech and GFY are Democrat Obama loving idiots who found no fault in government till after the Kenyan left office.  The End.





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 1:03:27 PM

Thanks for the summary. Now, tell us what you liked that Obama did during his 8 years in office.





Name:   au67 - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 1:09:50 PM

What I admired most about BHO was his ability to name the 57 states without stuttering.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Trump's America!
Date:   9/7/2018 2:04:50 PM

He left at the end of the 8 years of autocratic dictatorship.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   I suppose
Date:   9/7/2018 8:19:54 PM (updated 9/7/2018 8:30:33 PM)

you also have no problem with Dear Leader's current efforts to commandeer the DoJ to illegally investigate the editorial practices of a privately owned American newspaper.  It is painfully obvious that you and most on this forum would have no problem living in a nuclear armed and upsized version of a banana republic where the strongman prosecutes his political enemies just as long as it is a rightwing strong man rather than a leftist!  Most of the citizens who are not privy to this forum feel otherwise!

BTW Phil, did you ever hear that horrible dictator Barack Obama demand the DoJ investigate Fox News?





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   I suppose
Date:   9/8/2018 4:31:47 AM

...and in other news, the Mueller investigation continues to justify its costs with another Trump campaign staff conviction, Papadopolous gets 2 WEEKS of jail time.  CNN will lead with this headline "Trump retreats to Mar Lago as Mueller investigation gains steam with another campaign sentencing"

Archie, I will give you credit though......your socialist, nanny state ramblings are humerous.





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   CDR
Date:   9/8/2018 4:34:04 PM

Did you stay up all night or have a bad dream and get up at 4:30AM to post? I sure hope Archie isn't causing you to lose sleep.





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   CDR
Date:   9/8/2018 5:25:02 PM

was on call and just got back home from the OR.





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   CRD
Date:   9/8/2018 8:12:36 PM

Thanks for the response. Did not realize you are a doc.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   I did realize you are a doctor from past comments,
Date:   9/9/2018 6:03:33 PM (updated 9/9/2018 6:05:55 PM)

and regardless of your economic and political philosophy, it is easy for me to understand how an MD who has compassion, a first rate education, and religiously grounded ethics could have a negative opinion of the Clintons...it is impossible for me to understand how that same person could not have an even more negative opinion of Donald Trump!!





Name:   lakngulf - Email Member
Subject:   Means and ends
Date:   9/9/2018 6:18:47 PM

Donald Trump is not a perfect man, but he is perfect for this job.  Lot of correction needs to take place and he is getting it done against all odds, against dem GOP media and all





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Means and ends????
Date:   9/9/2018 8:37:41 PM (updated 9/9/2018 8:40:29 PM)

So you are an advocate of the ''ends justify the means'' philosophy espoused by both the Fascists and Communists but historically rejected by responsible Republicans and Democrats in America?





Name:   lakngulf - Email Member
Subject:   Means and ends????
Date:   9/9/2018 10:04:04 PM

You left out USA dem party.   Wanted to give title in such a way to throw you off.  Keep diving 





Name:   lakngulf - Email Member
Subject:   Means and ends????
Date:   9/9/2018 10:05:09 PM (updated 9/9/2018 10:06:31 PM)

And it's been around a loooooonnn time





Name:   Buteye - Email Member
Subject:   Means and ends????
Date:   9/9/2018 10:13:27 PM

Why is it that you will not admit to the many beneficial changes that President Trump has made in his near two years in office, while Obama's eight years of "hope and change" represent a dismal period with little action geared toward improving the well being of the average population base. It's ironic to see him jump back into today's politics when he had every "opportunity" to produce the kind of changes that President Trump has made that show "record" heights over a number of "economic and business" fronts. Just listening to Obama's recent "call to arms" was hard to stomach. With all the "deep state" findings that are being uncovered from his administration, he might be better served by letting "sleeping" dog lie.





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   I did realize you are a doctor from past comments,
Date:   9/9/2018 10:27:57 PM

Archie,

I knew who I was supporting.  He was not phoning it in on the way to a coronation like your candidate did.  He was getting pummelled 24/7 by the media, outworked your candidate and won an election with significant consequences.   I do not support him for his morality, personal choices, and private life.  I knew what I was getting.  No surprises.  He is, however, an individual who gets things done, plain and simple.  He listened to the "deplorables" and crafted a platform that, in my opinion, will make my childrens lives much more satisfying.  Very plain and very simple.  

I  know you will ask then why was WJC so villified if morality in our president is non-consequential.  My answers, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones, Juanita Broadderick.  An individual who used his power and persona for crimes against women who were never given any credence by the media.  He then instructed his wife, who offered no resistance, to go out and crucify these women.  Your candidate then had the gall to say in India that the 52% of white women who voted for Trump did so because of pressure from husbands, bosses, sons, yet was guilty of succumbing to the same from her husband.  Or did she.......?

Bottom line for me Archie is this:  Years ago the fed government decided that it knew more about healthcare than those of us who practice it, and had no problem in telling us to step aside while a new sheriff rode into town.  Now that the shoe is on the other foot, ie the 2016 election which told the fed gov't that the people know more about how to run a government than lifelong bureaucrats, and are willing to vote to prove it, the Deep State goes into survival mode in order to preserve their power.  You liberals really don't see the true fight we are fighting, your view is tainted by media who view you as gullible.  I must say that their strategy is effective in the short term, but you underestimate Trump and his merry deplorables.





Name:   wix - Email Member
Subject:   Well said.....
Date:   9/9/2018 10:41:10 PM

Wish he could grasp what you posted....





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   I did realize you are a doctor from past comments,
Date:   9/9/2018 11:37:34 PM (updated 9/9/2018 11:41:43 PM)

Blah, blah, blah! You use lots of words to say very little of consequence.

The ''government'' may have decided they know better how to run healthcare (as opposed to the money grubbing insurance industry) and they are perhaps no better at it than anybody else, but even with the Trumpistas running every damn nook and cranny in the government including the courts, they still haven't managed to destroy Obamacare and today, even in its ''Trump executive order'' weakend condition, it is supported by 56% of the populace and enrollment is growing.  The strange thing is the people who are taking the most advantage of it are the Trumpista base.  They are deplorables as well as idiots!

Remember 57% of the college grads voted for Clinton, 58% of the people with annual incomes over $250,000 (your group l'm sure) voted for Clinton and (if I remember correctly) about 70% of the white males high school dropouts making less than $20,000 a year voted for Trump!

Your view is tainted by rightwing bias that doesn't give 2 hoots in hell about the well being of the ENTIRE country, as long as your own little plush and confortable corner of it stays warm and cozy and free of those ''other'' people!





Name:   wix - Email Member
Subject:   See, CRD.....
Date:   9/9/2018 11:46:51 PM

I didn’t think he would be able to grasp what you said......





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   See, CRD.....
Date:   9/10/2018 7:14:50 AM

Nope, 

Nice selection of stats though.





Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   See, CRD.....
Date:   9/10/2018 8:01:56 AM

Yep, she got the majority of all those groups yet Trump is POTUS. The Framers were brilliant men.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   I suppose
Date:   9/10/2018 8:42:11 AM

Actually if you look back at the articles i posted in response to you recently that GFY wanted the executive summery of - you will find that the Obama DOJ targeted journalists AND demanded polygraphs of WH employees.   You are so funny when you are so deep in the hole.







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