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Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Ford's story is crumbling away
Date:   9/23/2018 11:46:03 AM

So now we have new revelations that there were 3 boys and one other girl at the made-up party, except that she denies there having been a party, denies knowing Kavanaugh and has no knowledge of this happening.  And what is even worse is the Fake News WaPo has known about her for a week or longer and isn't covering it.  I actually believe they knew about her when they wrote it was four boys but she told them it was a lie.  That folks is why we call the govt media fake news.

So let's recap.  Ford says nothing for decades and suddelnly comes up with an assault at a party attended by her and four boys, at least according to what she told her therapist, but she doesn't know when, where, how she got there or how she got home.  How convenient as it's pretty hard to corroborate or refute a story with zero details.  Had she said it was at Julie's house in June they could track down Julie and ask her.  No such luck.  Then she grows up to become a dedicated little left wing liberal activist running around with her vagina hat.  Kavanaugh gets talked about for SCOTUS so she starts her campaign to besmirch him, but wants to stay anonymous (I think we now know why).  But just in case she hires a Dem activist lawyer and supposedly submits to a lie detector test by some anonymous forer FBI agent which she allegedly passed, but they refuse to release it.  In her letter she claims that it was two boys, both of whom deny knowing her and ever being at such a party.  We also learn from another classmate of hers that it was the talk of the school even though Ford claims she told no one.  But it was in the summer so they all must have been in summer school at their elite prep school.  Then there's a third boy allegedly there and he also denies it ever happened....the party, let alone some assault.  Then we learn that she told the WaPo it was three boys and her girlfriend, but also tells them that she wouldn't recall the party because nothing in particular happened there that she would remember.  So either they call her and confirm there is no party and change the story to four boys or they didn't bother to check.  Either way, the girlfriend said there was no party and she doesn't know Kavanaugh.

So now we have the rabid left wing nut professor with belatedly resurrected memories that are all over the place with contradictions against four people that were named and all deny that a party happened or that an assault at the non-existent party happened.  Can I just say, and to paraphrase James Comey, no competent prosecutor would give this the time of day.  I will be surprised if she actually ends of testifying but I can now understand why she didn't want to be interviewed by a lawyer.  They are going to slice and dice her and then Kavanaugh is going to make an impassioned defense of himself against this baseless character assassination.  Then the never Trump GOP Senators will have to decide if they want to allow Democrats to successfully practice the politics of personal destruction.  I am not hopeful because she is going to whine and cry and sob and all that will outweigh actual facts.





Name:   lakngulf - Email Member
Subject:   Ford's story is crumbling away
Date:   9/23/2018 12:32:03 PM

I think you have described the situation perfect. 

All I can say is John McCain,  God rest his soul





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Get your facts right MM
Date:   9/23/2018 6:10:50 PM (updated 9/23/2018 6:15:40 PM)

No he did not get the facts straight.  The woman does not say there was no party but that she does not ''recall''a party.  She also says she believes Ford!

I do not remember events from decades ago where nothing of consequence that I was aware of happened. I do remember the trip with my father and his friend and 2 of my friends to Atlanta in 1958 when my friends and I wandered around downtown Atlanta while my father and his friend and several others went to a Ga Tech football game.  Why do I remember it?  Because something significant happened that day...my father died of a heart attack shortly after the game!!  Long ago attempted rape and heart attacks tend to be make a bigger impression than a typical party where alcohol was consumed!!! 





Name:   lakngulf - Email Member
Subject:   Get your facts right MM
Date:   9/23/2018 6:37:52 PM

If it made such an impression perhaps she would have gotten her facts straight!





Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   So you agree..
Date:   9/23/2018 6:38:46 PM

If it had happened she should be able to remember details. You know, insignificant details like when and where the party occurred. But she cant.





Name:   flyfisher - Email Member
Subject:   Ford's story is crumbling away
Date:   9/23/2018 7:15:31 PM

just curious; do her parents or any relatives have any comments ? Kavanaugh was DOA even before nomination--Dems waiting on Ginsburgs great great great grand daughter to be nominated





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Logic?
Date:   9/23/2018 7:27:37 PM

So based on your vivid recollection of your father's passing, including all the details, then doesn't it stand to reason that if this woman had undergone such a traumatic experience she too would remember and be able to relate the details of when, where, who else, and so forth? Since she claims not to remember, it seems to me you just provided rationale that serves to refute her claim. 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Get your facts right MM
Date:   9/23/2018 7:49:13 PM

Get your facts straight too...The woman who was at a party where a significant event occured to her...she was sexually attacked...has her facts straight, the other woman at the party was simply at a party where nothing that didn't happen at many other parties occured, is the one who may or may not have her memory of facts confused.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief
Date:   9/23/2018 7:55:34 PM (updated 9/23/2018 8:04:09 PM)

Who are you talking about Mr H?  The woman in question, Dr Ford, very clearly DOES remember the attack vividly...who, when, where,what...and has spoken to those envents in a compelling manner.  The other woman at the party, who by the way believes Dr Ford's claim, says she does not personally recall the party...why would she since nothing eventful happened to her?   Now, if she had been mugged or in a serious accident on the way home she would probably remember all the events of the evening in which she was a participant with the same recall as Dr Ford has of her attempted rape!  It's human nature.  I remember with great clarity all the things that happened the day my father died on a sidewalk in Atlanta, but I have no idea or memory of anything that happened the day before.





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/23/2018 8:00:16 PM

Au contraire. All the reports I have seen indicate the alleged victim does not recall those details. 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/23/2018 8:13:52 PM

Well you are obviously not reading the same reports that I am.  The reports I have read and heard says that she does not remember the exact calendar day but all other facts are very clear in her mind...The events that led up to the attack, the attack, who was present at the attack, what each person present at the attack did, what she did, how she got away from her attackers and what she did after her escape.  There is absolutely no doubts or confusion in what she has described.   Look it up...maybe Fox has not been reporting all the info that she has made available!





Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
Subject:   Ford's story is crumbling away
Date:   9/23/2018 8:21:38 PM

There was an intersting segment on Sunday Morning today.  Sunjay Gupta who is their resident neurosurgeon, talked about alcohol and the brain.  Apparently, if you are sufficiently intoxicated, you might not remember anything, because your brain might not transfer it to long term memory.  So it is possible that it happened and Kavenaugh doesn't remember; it's also possible that she may have a vague recollection of something that happened to her, but she may not have the details.  

But my question is why any of it is relevent to his appoitment to the SC?  Presumably he doens't attend parties where everyone is drunk and trying to hook up, presumably he has gained maturity in the years since High School.  I can't think of a single person I know who would want to be accountable for their behavior at parties in HS.





Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/23/2018 10:08:22 PM

Wrong again idiot. She is on  record as to not remembering when, other than summer, where, whose house it was, how she got there, how she got home or even who all was there. Her therapists notes contradict her current story also, but the therapist got it wrong and made note of it her file. Then it was four boys and her. So far everybody she has named as being there have denied the story. Those are her witnesses, not his.

You are a deranged psychotic.





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/23/2018 10:08:58 PM

But she doesn’t know where or when, and the selective revelations over time could well be a story in the making.  You knew exactly when and where. Why doesn’t she?  Her list of witnesses could well have come from a review of school Annuals for those years.  Do I want this to be true?  Frankly, no. And do you want it to be true?  Sure seems that way.  Do I see this as the most despicable political maneuver in a long time? Absolutely.  Feinstein doesn’t give a danm about the woman, only defeating the Kavanaugh nomination, and will drop her like a white hot poker the minute her story is of no more political use.  

What do you have to say about the droves of people, male and female, who find this whole thing completely out of character for the Kavanaugh of the past 35 years?





Name:   Old Diver - Email Member
Subject:   It Really Doesn't Matter
Date:   9/24/2018 10:14:51 AM

  If this bimbo's case falls apart they will find another whose story is more out rageous and if that one fails they will invent another.  Wouldn't it be interesting if these lying bimbos wound up in court for defimation of character and had the Hell fined out of them for lying. I wonder how many more they would find even if the Democrooks paid the fine?

 





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Logic?
Date:   9/24/2018 1:35:36 PM

This is why I have Archie on ignore.  He chooses to ignore the fact that all who were identified by her, including her friend claim there was no such party.  The fact that her friend says she believes her is hardly exculpatory.  In fact, her friends do nothing but refute her claims.  Archie is so partisan that he fails to see reality.  It is an illness.

By the way, I was at a party in Atlanta and Archie was there and he sexually abused the host's terrier.  I have no witnesses, don't know when it happened or where, but I must be believed, right?  And I have retained a lawyer, had a polygraph done which I won't release and so on.  /sarc





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Logic?
Date:   9/24/2018 2:22:06 PM (updated 9/24/2018 2:24:58 PM)

So having read that as I guess at least now 3rd hand that makes me as credible a witness to the event as most of these I Believesters.

 

Be careful, he is going to post something in bold font at you, and maybe use all caps to show that he is super serious - not that you will notice since you have him ignored.





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/24/2018 2:22:36 PM

Judge K has stated that he will testify under OATH.  Let's see if B-F does the same.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/24/2018 5:15:15 PM

And so far everyone she names said nope.

I think the witnesses might also remember if she ran down the stairs and into the night in the middle of a party or at least wondered what that was all about.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/24/2018 10:34:15 PM

I do not want it to be true or untrue but, by damn I do want to know the truth.  Something which the supporters of Mr Kavanaugh on this forum and in the senate are obviously not inclined to seek.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Have you been in a locked room CRD
Date:   9/24/2018 10:48:21 PM

It has been made clear by both Ford and Kavanaugh and both sides of the committee that Dr Ford and Judge Kavanaugh will be under oath.  That means one of them will be lying under oath to the US Senate which is a crime.  How do we find out which one it is?  I suggest we have the FBI investigate!!





Name:   Buteye - Email Member
Subject:   Have you been in a locked room CRD
Date:   9/25/2018 1:57:25 AM

What FBI do you want to call on to investigate? How many of the top level FBI agents have already quit or been fired because of lying or other heinous activities? Perhaps you think Rosenstein should add this to Mueller's list of things to be investigated. That will insure that his investigations will still be ongoing past the 2020 elections.





Name:   au67 - Email Member
Subject:   Have you been in a locked room CRD
Date:   9/25/2018 7:47:52 AM

Has it ever crossed your mind of the number of FBI background checks Kavanaugh has already been subjected to??





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Has it ever crossed your mind
Date:   9/25/2018 8:31:52 AM

that there is a difference between a background check and an investigation into a newly raised possibility of a criminal act.  Tell me something else while you are at it...why is it that Dr Ford is requesting an investigation into the incident and the Judge Kavanaugh faction is avoiding it as they would a rattle-snake?  Could it be related to who is telling the truth and who is lying?  Humm...Dr Ford has passed a lie detector test administered by an individual duly licenced to give and interpret polygraph tests, Judge Kavanaugh has not.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Good grief indeed
Date:   9/25/2018 8:56:48 AM

Nor or the I Believesters who have tossed due process and innocent until guilty to the Archibald Kangaroo Kourt.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   [Message deleted by author]
Date:   9/25/2018 8:56:49 AM (updated 9/25/2018 8:56:57 AM)




Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Has it ever crossed your mind
Date:   9/25/2018 9:03:36 AM

The reason she is requesting it is because they know just as you know that there is no federal crime here and that they know full damn well that the FBI is not going to investigate, as they have already stated that there is nothing there for them to investigate.

 

They could look into a timeframe of sometime during one summer or maybe another, maybe with a pool cause she wore a swimsuit, somewhere over there, with maybe up to 5 people present who all have already said they have not recollection of her running out of a party in which the named people were all present.

Maybe they can find the DNA in tears that have been on the street corner for 35+ years.  Maybe they can try to find her training bra  or swimsuit and check for fingerprints or maybe they can locate a 35 year old coke can with a pubic hair on it.

Literally - what the hell can anyone find with such "evidence" ?

 





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Ford's story is crumbling away
Date:   9/25/2018 9:26:54 AM

https://www.mediaite.com/online/hearing-in-doubt-christine-fords-lawyer-rips-senate-plan-to-have-prosecutor-ask-questions-not-fair-and-respectful/

 

In the letter addressed to Sen. Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Ford’s legal team cites Sen. Majority Leader’s Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) speech on the Senate floor on Monday afternoon as “flatly inconsistent” with Grassley’s promise of a “fair and credible process.”

“In our view, the hiring of an unnamed ‘experienced sex crimes prosecutor’ as Mr. Davis described in his email, is contrary to the Majority’s repeated emphasis on the need for the Senate and this Committee’s members to fulfill their constitutional obligations,” attorney Michael Bromwich wrote. “It is also inconsistent with your stated wish to avoid a ‘circus,’ as well as Dr. Blasey Ford’s repeated requests through counsel that senators conduct the questioning. This is not a criminal trial for which the involvement of an experienced sex crimes prosecutor would be appropriate.”

 

Inconsistent with fair and credible - So why would it be inappropriate for someone who actually knows about sex crimes to do the questioning vs grandstanding senators who most of the time do not even know the law that they themselves passed.  It also keeps  the senators safe from the #MeToo vigilantes who will claim that they were attacking the victim and that they want to kill all women by attempting to ask questions to get to whatever evidence that can be presented.

 

 

 

 

 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Has it ever crossed your mind
Date:   9/25/2018 12:13:15 PM (updated 9/25/2018 12:19:32 PM)

I do not ''know'' there is no federal crime and neither do you!  That is what an actual unbiased investigation into the specific charges might, possibly not, but might shed some light on.

The FBI had no hint of this charge when they did previous background checks.  What could a further investigation uncover?  I have no idea and neither do you.  I do know it might be informative if the FBI questioned other participants who have previously denied any knowledge of the events...it is no crime to lie to the press to keep from being drawn into the circus but it is a crime to lie to the FBI for any reason.  It is the knowledge of this fact that just might make somebody think twice about sticking to a false response!

Why has Judge K not demanded to take a polygraph test himself if he is so certain the event never happened?  Why, if innocent, is he not insisiting on a further investigation to clear his name?





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Has it ever crossed your mind
Date:   9/25/2018 12:21:24 PM (updated 9/25/2018 12:27:54 PM)

Well when you or someone else comes up with a federal crime, please feel free to contact the FBI and say look here is a crime please go look at it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201303/do-lie-detectors-work

The lie detector can be considered a modern variant of the old technique of trial by ordeal. A suspected witch was thrown into a raging river on the premise that if she floated she was harnessing demonic powers.

Such techniques never had much credibility. A subject who passed the test had a reasonably high probability of drowning that was at least preferable to getting burned at the stake as a witch.

 

So a Judge who knows that a polygraph is about as junk science as global warming should demand that a test be done that has no credibility, is inadmissable in court and a long list of people who failed a polygraph test who were innocent as well as really bad people who passed, but you go hang your pink hat on that one.

Maybe we should get you to submit to a polygraph to see if you are not a witch, or maybe you should jump into white water rapids.  If you drown your not a witch, if you survive your a witch and should be burnt at the stake.

 

Have you called the FBI yet to see about getting your investigation done yet?

 

I find it funny, we know of no federal crime that has been committed, but hey lets request them to look till they find something.  Guilty untill proven innocent is your motto Mr Kangaroo Kourt.





Name:   au67 - Email Member
Subject:   Has it ever crossed your mind
Date:   9/25/2018 9:15:14 PM

From the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill confirmation hearing:

 

“The last thing I will point out, the next person who refers to an FBI report as being worth anything, obviously doesn’t understand anything. FBI explicitly does not, in this or any other case, reach a conclusion, period. Period,” Biden said. “The reason why we cannot rely on the FBI report [is] you would not like it if we did because it is inconclusive. They say, ‘He said, she said, and they said. Period.”

“So when people wave an FBI report before you, understand they do not, they do not reach conclusions,” Biden said.

 

 





Name:   au67 - Email Member
Subject:   However...
Date:   9/25/2018 9:48:00 PM

...the FBI did reach a conclusion in the Hillary investigation.  Even though she was grossly neligent in dealing with classified material, no prosecutor would be brave enough to take the case.  I recollect that was the exalted one, James Comey, who performed that solo act. 







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