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Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   with apologies to Scopes
Date:   11/24/2018 9:36:01 AM


“In one of the most provocative and misunderstood studies of the year, scientists in the U.S. and Switzerland have made an astonishing discovery: All humans alive today are the offspring of a common father and mother – an Adam and Eve – who walked the planet 100,000 to 200,000 years ago, which by evolutionary standards is like yesterday.”  - - Mark Stoeckle, The Rockefeller University, NY and David Thaler, University of Basel, CH, 2018.


This means that sometime during the Illinois Glacial period (the one before the Last – the Wisconsin)… or during the last interglacial (warm; the Sangamon) nearly all species renewed themselves from a severely depleted gene pool.

I will try, here to insert an image from the Vostok Ice Core data:


If you really must know… an eruption from the super volcano, Yellowstone, could accomplish this mini-extinction.  The last time Yellowstone erupted was 650K years ago… at the end of the Nebraskan interglacial period.

Humans populated North and South America ~ 30K to 15K years ago before the Holocene (present) interglacial period.

I will try, here to insert an image


Rohde, Robert, Global Warming Art

“That said, Stoeckle and Thaler’s study does line up with the Bible in at least two notable ways. First, it affirms that we and our fellow creatures on Earth arose from a recent and profound creation event, orchestrated by some unknown mechanism. And second, the DNA bar codes reveal that species are quantized. Instead of there being a continuum of animal varieties, as one might expect from millions of years of gradual evolution, creatures fall into very distinct, widely separated populations – what the Bible describes as “kinds,” from the Hebrew word min.”

- LMF Curmudgeon et al

Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   with apologies to Scopes
Date:   11/24/2018 12:36:32 PM

A most interesting post. Thanks.

Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   does This mean we are all going to die?!
Date:   11/25/2018 6:02:38 PM

i figure that He will determine how and when we burn up.

the very idea that we (man) can control the universe but less Earth


Have a great evening!

Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   If Yellowstone did blow
Date:   11/25/2018 7:25:30 PM


“If the worst-case scenario did happen, it wouldn’t be a pretty day – for decades – in the USA.

“The eruption of Mount St. Helens would be a small firecracker compared to one of the major caldera eruptions of Yellowstone.

“Millions of people would die, in the immediate explosion and in its aftereffects. Ash would fall over much of the country, grinding air traffic to a halt. Water would be contaminated, livestock would die, crops would fail and the country’s heartland would be unfarmable for years. The (global) climate would change because ash would filter out the sun’s powerful rays, and it would be several years or even decades before it could bounce back.

“During Yellowstone's supereruption about 631,000 years ago, ash covered North Dakota through most of Texas and from Southern California through most of Missouri and Arkansas.

“But a massive eruption at Yellowstone – or another from one of the other dozen or so supervolcanoes in the world – would still not be the mass-extinction-level event some fear. ‘Humanity would survive, but it would not be a fun time.’

“Humanity has actually done just that – we were around for two such eruptions in the past 100,000 years, both even larger than the last big one at Yellowstone.

“And we're obviously still here now. I'm not saying it would be easy, but there's some evidence to suggest that our cave people ancestors did OK,”

- Katharine Lackey, USA TODAY, Aug. 21, 2018

Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   If Yellowstone did blow
Date:   11/26/2018 10:09:33 AM

Interesting observation from the Mt. St. Helens eruption.  My uncle is a wheat farmer in central Washington.  When it blew there was real concern about the ash covering already planted fields.  Turned out they had a bumper crop that year.  They think the ash sealed in moisture and provided additional nutrients.  Not saying that would be the result if Yellowstone went off but it seems like a certain amount of ash isn't always a problem and may actually be beneficial.

Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   Ashfall and climate
Date:   11/26/2018 11:42:58 AM (updated 11/26/2018 12:02:00 PM)


“Volcanic ash is normally rich in nutrients which act as natural fertilizers for the plants in the area, such as calcium, magnesium, potassium, phosphorus and sulphur. These elements are all macronutrients essential for plant growth and survival…”

However, photosynthesis depends on sunlight and warmth.  Temperatures below 40F are dangerous for leafy vegetables and all fruits. Freezing destroys cell structure in many agricultural species.)  Fortunately for humankind, some species are adapted to low temperatures.

Long term global cooling and warming cycles have occurred for hundreds of millions of years.  Yes GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE is normal.  There are the cyclical variations in solar output.  There are non-cyclical volcanic events which have a direct effect on global climate change.

Mt. St. Helens erupted during a solar maximum (slightly less than 160 sunspots).  Thus we had a thin, nutrient rich volcanic ashfall accompanied by a warm growing season.  Had the ash layer been thicker, the smothering effect would have been catastrophic.  Had the ashfall occurred in 1996 during a solar minimum (15 sunspots) there may also have been a temperature problem.

I will attempt to place a graphic here:


But, it is MUCH more complicated than that.  “It is not simply, the sun or CO2 when looking at global temperatures, it is the Sun, volcanoes, tilt of the Earth’s axis, water vapor, methane, clouds, ocean cycles, plate tectonics, albedo, atmospheric dust, Atmospheric Circulation, cosmic rays, particulates like Carbon Soot, forests and land use, etc. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, not just CO2.”  - Philip Stott, University of London, 2008*

I will attempt to place a graphic here:


- LMF Curmudgeon

* Philip Stott (born England, 1945) is a professor emeritus of biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, and a former editor (1987–2004) of the Journal of Biogeography

Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   Ashfall and climate
Date:   11/27/2018 8:10:23 AM


that chart is amazing!  So we are in for a very cold winter before a period of warming.  What does not seem logical is the inability to predict eruptions yet they predict a warming period beginning 2019 to 2038?  Anyway, the only entity that can and does influence/control climate is not of this world.  He will decide when. 

btw, why isn’t this chart and info more public and discussed?  

Thanks for sharing. 

Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   the real consensus
Date:   11/27/2018 10:08:13 AM


Carlson – “btw, why isn’t this chart and info more public and discussed?”  - This type of explanation, when presented by a scientist, requires more than 30 seconds to explain.  The information and data are ALL public (unlike that for Anthropogenic Global Warming, AGW).

For example: Milankovitch Cycles - “The episodic nature of the Earth's glacial and interglacial periods within the present Ice Age (the last couple of million years) have been caused primarily by cyclical changes in the Earth's circumnavigation of the Sun. Variations in the Earth's eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession cause… taken in unison, create alterations in the seasonality of solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface. These times of increased or decreased solar radiation directly influence the Earth's climate system, thus impacting the advance and retreat of Earth's glaciers.” 

The Earth wobbles… like a spinning top as it slows.  That means that the Earth’s axis does not always point at Polaris… the “North Star.”  At some point, our “North Star” will be Vega. What effect does THIS have on the global climate change?  Scientists can put you to sleep in 5 minutes with the explanation.  But… just in case you are interested:

During 2018 there were no sunspots visible on the sun for 60% of the time. The last solar maximum of 2012-2015 was the weakest since the space age began.  What does this mean?  Well, combine this (well documented and studied) observation… with a little history

and the Milankovitch Cycles… and draw your own conclusion.  I might also remind you that the warmest time in our current interglacial period was 8K years ago.

I will attempt to insert an image here:


 You can believe, there IS a consensus among pure scientist that there is global climate change. But, the main influences for these render CO2 to insignificance. So… what is the real truth of the Paris Accord?

- LMF Curmudgeon

Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   the real consensus
Date:   11/27/2018 10:17:13 AM

The real truth lies in the effort to separate us from our money.  The very idea that man can influence the climate is humorous to God.  

Thanks for the info.  When anyone questions man made climate change, he or she is tarred and feathered. Lol

Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   ah... but herein lies the REAL problem
Date:   11/27/2018 11:16:20 AM


Actually, man can have a miniscule effect on the climate.  It’s just not CO2.  Please recall the chlorofluorocarbon insult a couple of decades ago.  Any effect humans have on the climate will be unperceivable in the galactic span of geological time.  Like passing gas at the football stadium.

However, we have undoubtedly crapped our own bed… and we started from the moment God gave us opposable thumbs. 2.5% of all the water on Earth is freshwater.  Less that 1% of that is available on the surface.  There is NO surface water… fresh or salt… anywhere on Earth that does not contain impurities exuded by mankind and his activities… and a goodly percentage of groundwater too.   

Man has been able to rearrange molecules from the earth… both common and rare… into deadly substances which threaten not only himself… but, all other living things.

In the face of our destruction of myriads of living species… ha ha… we’ll be one of the shortest lived of all species.  But first we will kill off all of the frogs.

In the end, the time of humans will be a thin layer of plastic, glass, metal alloys, and strange chemical compounds.  Through the mechanisms of plate tectonics, even that will be erased in a few tens of millions of years.  Days will be longer, the earth will wobble even more, glaciers will come and go (diluting our polluted waters*)… and the sun will shine brightly in the sky.  Cockroaches will rule the earth.

- LMF Curmudgeon

* Environmental engineers and scientist always say... toungue in cheek... "Dilution is the solution." 

(But the S-curve of toxicity... is another lecture.)

Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   ah... but herein lies the REAL problem
Date:   11/27/2018 1:58:17 PM

So now that we have solved that problem, on to other subjects......

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