Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/13/2018 10:54:17 AM

Oh the irony that the Scouts are considering bankruptcy to avoid claims from sexual abuse of boys by employees and volunteers.  Now let me get this straight, the Boy Scouts are bad because they wouldn't let men with same-sex attraction issues as leaders but they are also bad cause men with same-sex attraction issues sexually abused Scouts.  As we Catholics have learned, men with those issues should not be allowed in a position of trust with young boys and teens.  90% of the abuse cases in the Catholic Church are a result of homosexuals abusing boys, teens and young men.  100% of the cases in the Boy Scouts are from the same group.  Helllooooo?!?!?  See what happens when you try to normalize the abnormal?!?!?

Oh, and another factor they are claiming is the decline in membership.  What a shocker, you openly allow gay Scout leaders and are shocked that some parents are not willing to take a chance?!?!?  This is what I mean when I say progressives pretty much ruin anything they get control of because they make decisions based on emotion, never consider the consequences of what they support because after all, they mean well, and have totally lost the ability to think critically using facts, logic and reason.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/13/2018 11:09:34 AM

I don't think the decline in Boy Scouting has anything to do with gay or not leaders.  What I do think has changed is that they now allow girls to be in boy scouting.  I think the age group that is generally attracting boys to scouting generally enjoys doing "boy things" with an audience of girls competing with them.  Girls had their own scouting program.  I think it is sad that everything is now gender neutral.  But I also think that todays kids are not outdoor inclined - they would rather stay in and play video games, than to participate in group activities and learning new skills.  It saddens me to think that an institution like scouting is going to fall by the wayside, because I do think they build character.  I was in girl scouting until I was in intermediate school, and I loved it.  

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/13/2018 11:22:43 AM

I believe former SOS Rex Tillerson was instrumental in lobbying the BSA to accept openly gay members.  Trump was not too kind in his recent remrks about Tillerson.  I doubt that it had anything to do with the current BSA situation, but as you say, liberal thinking (now that's an oxymoron) turns all they touch to crapola.

Name:	Old Diver -	Reply
Subject:	Once Again
Date:	12/13/2018 12:59:47 PM

   Did you ever sit down and notice that all organizations that are beneficial to America are under attack? Be it the Boy Scouts Christian Churches, NRA, and any other orcanization that championed American society. Many of those who have embraced the "alternative life style" think it's their mission to legalize all forms of behavior.  However, I believe the real reason goes much deeper.

   The main strength of America was a fundamental common system of believes and values that made us such a cohesive society. We valued hard work, honesty, Christian beliefs, patriotism, property rights, and capitalism. These are what made this country strong and prosperious and greatly benefited ourselves and the rest of the world. This was the glue that held us together.

   The attack on the Boy Scouts is just one of the many left wing attempts to break up thiis country into a bunch of bickering, selfish greedy interest to fundamentally degrades our culture.  That is the real underlying reason.

 I believe it was Aristotle who said:

                        "Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society!"               

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Once Again
Date:	12/13/2018 1:41:04 PM (updated 12/13/2018 1:50:15 PM)

Boy Scout Oath:

On my honor, I will do my best 
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; 
To help other people at all times; 
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. 

 It appears the BSA has thrown this pledge out the window.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/13/2018 3:54:52 PM

Well they had 4 million members in 2013 when they announced gay scout leaders and 2.3 million today.  I really don't think that in a span of 5 years all that much has changed with the kids.  The precipitous decline began shortly thereafter which probably caused them to drop Boy from their name and start allowing girls.  But again, that is but one reason for the financial woes.  By far the biggest issue is the payments they have had to make for sexual abuse by homosexuals above and beyond what insurance would cover.

So I stick with my original claim that progressives ruin everything they touch.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/13/2018 9:38:16 PM

How any oxygen breathing liberal idiot can support what lgbtQUEERS are doing to American society is beyond any normal human being's belief system, yet liberal idiots (dimokraps) continue to support every stupid move made to destroy us.  I would like to have our two idiots explain to the Forum how they can support such efforts to destroy America.

Moves are under way to destroy the social clubs in colleges.  Where does it end?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/14/2018 7:25:29 AM

I can tell you where they want this to end and that is for the U.S. to be like Europe.  Democratic socialism, below replacement birth rates, rejection of faith in God, secular humanism, confiscatory taxes (income and VAT), most coveted jobs in government (like winning the lottery), unlimited immigration, Muslim violence, paltry GDP growth, 10% unemployment being the norm, etc.  That is their goal because it guarantees that "conservative" politicians are like Democrats today and "liberal" politicians will be like Bernie and AOC.  That many Europeans are waking up to the perils of this will not sway them from this path.  It is all about power and wealth.....you know, for those pigs that more equal than others......

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/14/2018 10:01:39 AM

and an added note--a liberal newspaper (rag) has endorsed not yet sitting 29 yr old (former bartender) newly elected  senator Cortez for President in 2020, as "she is the future of the Democratic Party "--hmmm

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/14/2018 10:40:59 AM

Gentlemen, while the religious may thunp their Bible about being gay, the truth is that outide the South, it is much more accepted.  Gay people are no more likely to be sexual predators than anyone "straight".  So I sincerely doubt that why the Boy Scouts are floundering financially.  It could be any number of other things like poor financial managment, or a cultural change.  Community service and sports leagues (like a bowling league, softball team etc) are also way down. 

I blame the decrease on a cultural change of people just not joining up in organized recreation.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Flyfisher
Date:	12/14/2018 10:43:29 AM

I also read that about her running for President.  I hate to think that we have sunk to that level of ignorance.  Isn't it funny how so many people think that Trump is insane, based on what he says; but are willing to give this woman a pass.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/14/2018 1:59:12 PM

Normally men coach and mentor young boys and women do the same for young girls. A normal adult has nothing on their mind but helping these young people. Parents may be concerned that gay leaders may have other intentions. 

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Boy Scouts going Chapter 11?
Date:	12/15/2018 11:34:29 AM

Now I really wonder which lgbtQUEER just flagged your post.  Guess they’re everywhere!!

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Sadly you are completely wrong
Date:	12/15/2018 12:44:57 PM

I suggest you read the PA grand jury report and you will see the truth.  Almost 90% of the cases involved ephebophilia.  And unless you think the BSA is lying, they stated that the primary reason for the bankruptcy was claims for sexual abuse.  In an organization with all boys and a majority of the volunteers are male it is a little goofy to think that it is not a same-sex attraction issue.  And I would also remind you that homosexuals represent at most 3% of the population but are responsible for over 30% of sexual abuse cases of minors.  This is not even debatable as the numbers speak for themselves.  When you have 3% of the population committing a third of the abuse that represents a big problem and why men or women with same-sex attraction issues are not suitable for positions where they come into contact with children in positions of trust.  Unless of course you don't care about innocent children having their lives ruined by predators.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Sadly you are completely wrong
Date:	12/15/2018 2:15:51 PM

And she is wrong to think only "southern gentlemen' are concerned about this issue.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Sadly you are completely wrong
Date:	12/15/2018 5:18:25 PM

Sexual abuse does not necessarly mean from gays.  I think you will find that the sexual abuse cases go back before the advent of allowing gays to be troop leaders.  I understand, MM.  You have gay derangment syndrome so you will blame them.  It sounds like the BSA has had management problems for a long time.  

When I was a Brownie, our troop leader used to steal our dues to pay her electric and phone bill.  That was enough for some parents to pull their kids from the program.  Then a German woman took over, and some left because they felt she was a Nazi (remember this was in the early 60s)  People don't participate in scouting for a lot of different reasons.  Some kids, no doubt, get involved with sports and give up the time they used to spend on scouting.  Also, among two career families, there may not be enough time to become a leader.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Sadly you are still completely wrong
Date:	12/17/2018 8:55:15 AM

If you have an all male organization with all male leaders and there is sexual abuse what do you call it?!?!?   I suggest you read the PA grand jury report as well as the Jay report about the abuse in the Catholic Church.  Both are very comprehensive and cover all forms of abuse, same sex and opposite sex.  Bot show that nearly 90% of abuse cases are male on male.  What exactly do you call that problem?!?!?  

Honestly, I don't know why you refuse to accept reality. You think it's derangement on my part but in reality it is me simply following the facts where they lead and using logic and reason.  For whatever reason you are responding emotionally in contravention to the facts which is much more likely to be called derangement than someone responding logically to the facts.  When 3% of the population are responsible for a third of abuse cases one would logically assume that this 3% of the population may, for whatever reason, not be suited for roles where they are in a position of trust over children.  But then again, that's assuming you care more about children and not so much about appeasing some special interest group.  I care more about protecting children from predators.  You apparently care more about defending the community responsible for so much of the abuse.  If someone is gay and has never and will never abuse children then they too should not care if they also believe in facts, logic and reason.  Sadly that is in short supply these days and political correctness is killing our ability to address the real issue.