Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	It Has Become Sickening
Date:	1/10/2019 11:07:54 PM

to watch and listen to Chuck Schmur and Nancy Pelosi talk about President Trump holding workers "hostage". Pelosi said she wouldn't give the President one "dollar" for the wall. What has our great Country come to when our "elected" officials place their "political" ambitions above the "safety and security" of our own citizens?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   It's possible this whole situation could have been looked out in a different light if the immigration issue had not been allowed to "fester" for over thirty years. I will continue to say that I am "thankful" that we have a President who believes in "justice" when it comes to the point that the "safety and security" of the American people must be protected based on "common sense and unbiased" application of "laws" rather than their "political affiliation:.

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	It Has Become Sickening
Date:	1/11/2019 9:24:09 AM

amen, amen, amen--none of these people could survive outside their congressional cushy jobs

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I know you either
Date:	1/11/2019 12:04:27 PM (updated 1/11/2019 12:05:33 PM)

don't realize it or are too embarrassed to admit it, but you have both drunk the KOOL AIDE Dear Leader is serving up to the gullible!

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	I know you either
Date:	1/11/2019 3:33:39 PM (updated 1/11/2019 3:57:25 PM)

Back at you. I have nothing to be embarrassed about. It's evident that you have been drinking something stronger than Kool Aide that has  seriously affected your view of our country as it exists today. How do you explain the "fact" that Schumur and Pelosi, along with Obama, Hillary, and most other Democrats have strongly supported the same rationale regarding "border security" in the past as President Trump and Republicans are pursuing today. However, because of their "hatred" for President Trump, they have changed their stance(not based on substance), but on "politics" with their only outlook is on the 2020 elections. The need for changes in "border security" today has actually increased "significantly" during recent months as a result of the "caravan" and the storming of our borders. Bottom Line: The failure of Congress to enact laws on "border security" for over thirty years has resulted in our country being flooded with drugs, terrorists, illegal immigrants, gangsters, human trafficing, and the like.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ironically, I just saw on TV where Washington State just increased their annual operating budget by 20% with $1.1 billion going to protect the 74 orca killer whales that frequent their inland waters. That's more than our Congress will agree to allocate to our border security.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	It Has Become Sickening
Date:	1/11/2019 5:45:22 PM

i think that Pelosi and Schumer are a prime example of what is wrong with the Democratic party.  I can't stand either one of them and I think both of them should be pushed out of Congress.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	It Has Become Sickening
Date:	1/11/2019 5:52:24 PM

Hard to locate that "middle of the road" anymore.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Hound
Date:	1/11/2019 9:10:45 PM (updated 1/11/2019 9:11:54 PM)

What do you mean by ''pushed out of Congress"?  If it is OK for you to suggest they be ''pushed out of Congress'' do you mind if I advocate Trump be ''pushed out of the White House?

Any of you want to update us on the status of that exisistentual threat to America...the''Caravan''?

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Hound
Date:	1/11/2019 9:19:36 PM (updated 1/11/2019 9:57:41 PM)

Are your repetitive nine posts above intentional or a result of the toll that TDS is having on youe nervous system?  As to your reference regarding the "caravans", a new one is forming and will be on its way soon!!!!!

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Hound
Date:	1/11/2019 9:24:40 PM

Arch give us your address & we’ll have the caravan redirect ed to your house 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Hound
Date:	1/11/2019 11:28:57 PM

The caravan was met with a stern “you are not welcome to assault our borders”, and “follow the legal process”.   The “existential” threat was met with strength and resolve, and thus neutralized. So what is your point?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 10:17:04 AM

How did we ever manage that without a wall?  That’s my point sir !!!

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 11:28:37 AM

Because their "leaders" chose to go to a portion that does have a wall for several reasons.

It was in California and they thought California would throw the gates wide open for them.

They knew that even if they didn't get in they would garner simpathy from a compliant media

The leaders didn't give a damn if they got in or not as evidenced by the forming of another caravan

They wanted to overwhelm the system to a breaking point

They ignored warnings that they wouldn't get in but failed to realize the resolve of God Emporer Trump and his subjects. The wall existing that area did what it is designed to do, funnel them to a choke point where they can be properly repelled as evedence by the holiday rush they attempted. The big beautiful wall is coming. God Emporer Trump ion the job. He will break the democrats and they will cave in to his demands. Some are already calling on dem leaders to negotiate a deal that gives him the wall.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm
Date:	1/12/2019 1:48:31 PM (updated 1/12/2019 2:00:04 PM)

I knew most on this forum have been sucked into the Trump Cult of Personality.  But, looks as if Lifer has promoted the cult to a religion....God Emperor!?  How long oh Lord, how long?

BTW:  You are correct, some Democrats are calling for an effort to compromise with Trump.  Wonder why you didn't mention some Republicans are calling for an effort to compromise with Pelosi and Schumer.  And these shall be called the the ''reasonable'' ones...we need many many more of them on both sides!! 

BTW-2:  Did you forget to mention that most of the major players (Pelosi/Schumer for the Democrats and Pence and Graham for the Republicans) have offered a compromise...all of them were thrown under the bus by Dear Leader with the assistance of those great political minds...Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Humm
Date:	1/12/2019 5:30:03 PM

That wasn't compromise it was capitulation but God Emporer Trump stopped it cold with two words, bye bye. . Nutty Nancy told him no wall funding or even debate even if he gave them all they asked for. What a deal.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 7:16:59 PM

Apples and oranges.  The caravan was hoping to gain access through an existing portal by showing up in sheer numbers, overwhelming the system.  That was what, 1500 people?

The wall is intended to make it much harder for the existing steady flow of thousands  illegal immigrants who just walk across a border that has no physical barrier whatsoever. 

Trump took the correct action to dissuade the caravan from carrying out it ill-advised mission and his wall is the correct mlove to make it much harder for the individuals and small groups of "invaders" to simply walk across the border in remote areasunimpeded.

and

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Come on Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 8:13:38 PM

You know better than and you are better than that!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Come on Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 8:51:50 PM

Really now.  Please tell me how it feels to consider yourself infallible.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Humm
Date:	1/12/2019 9:07:14 PM (updated 1/12/2019 9:09:55 PM)

How do you know that most on this forum has been "sucked" into the Trump Cult of Personality? I think that most of us on this forum have enough common sense to know: (1) that kicking the immigration problem down the road for over thirty years has created unrest and division in our country today, (2) that a "caravan" of 10,000 illegal immigrants consisting of men, women with children including babies in arms, criminals, terrorists, drug trafficers, gangs, etc; (3) that another "caravan" is forming and heading to the border, (4) that Democrats support "politicising" the problem for the 2020 election rather than caring about the safety and security of our people, and (5) that Democrats and the "fake news" media refer to the state of our country today as a "manufactured crisis",  substantiate the call for a "National Emergency". How could anyone who is "sane" view the murders and assaults on our citizenry, and the presence of gangs, criminals, drug trafficers, rapist, etc., as a "manufactured crisis"? I have not "seen or heard" of anyone who has had a "loved" one assaulted and/or murdered by an "illegal immigrant" say that their "loss" is the result of a "manufactured crisis". I would like to see Schmur or Pelosi have to go "one on one" with anyone who has lost a "loved" one!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Come on Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 9:16:07 PM (updated 1/12/2019 9:19:00 PM)

I am not infallible but I do know the difference between chicken sh!t and chicken salad. So do you! Donald Trump takes it for granted that most of his supporters don't! You and I both know which one he consistantly serves!

MM is the only infallible one on this forum.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Buteye
Date:	1/12/2019 9:30:20 PM

I don't recall your being so agitated and upset about the ''loved one'' lost at the Charlottesville ''Unite the Right'' rally or those lost at Parkland High or Sandy Hook or the black security guard gunned down by police near Chicago.  You certainly seem rather selective in your outrage.....Pot / kettle....goose / gander....etc etc etc

The crime rate amomg immigrants is IN FACT less than half that of US citizens.  A fact rejected or not believed is no less a fact!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Come on Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 9:46:38 PM

This is an editorial comment.  I think if you logged on to another forum and read posts from a stranger that were as strident and unbending as yours you might understand a little better how some of the forum members feel about your posts.  I personally know some of those you lump together into something you call "Trumpistas" and I can tell you that you are flat ass wrong in attempting to characterize them in that manner.  You come across as everything being either black or white, you being right and everyone else being wrong.  Many of us believe, as I did with Obama, that we don't care what a president says but what he does. I have said many times that I held my nose when I voted for Trump, but am unapologetic that it was indeed the right decision for the country.  I simply can not imagine the sleaze that would have come with an HRC presidency.  What you see with Trump is his willingness to throw political wisdom aside to do what he promised and what is good for the country.  He is not the slick politician who promises the moon and delivers a moon rock, and he understands that the way this country got to be great was through business and entrepreneurship.  I could go on and on but it appears it would be fruitless.  Let it be known that I disagree fundamentally with most of your positions, especially with regard to Trump, but again I judge my support of him on what he does as the Chief Executive and Commander in Chief of the great (and getting greater) nation.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Buteye
Date:	1/12/2019 9:58:58 PM (updated 1/12/2019 10:00:30 PM)

You are impossible to try and understand. I don't have to get on the forum and express my feelings about someone's death to see whether you agree or disagree with me.  i have  sympathy and compassion for anyone who has had the misfortune of having someone injured or killed needlessly. "Death" is not something where you pick and choose who you share your feelings about.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Buteye
Date:	1/12/2019 10:03:09 PM

What about the crime rate of "illegal immigrants"?

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Come on Mr H
Date:	1/12/2019 10:23:44 PM

Your "editorial comment" is well stated and to the point. We are causing Architect to spend an awful lot of his "beach time" on the forum.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Buteye
Date:	1/12/2019 11:39:18 PM

I conceed you are basically correct.  But, the fact you only seem to get upset enough to comment is when there is an illegal immigrant involved says a lot about your attitude and beliefs as to which crime is important in your mind and which is not.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Buteye
Date:	1/12/2019 11:57:42 PM

The Cato Institute (not a leftwing bunch for sure) did an analysis of the Texas crime stats for 2015 and found that the rate for illegal immigrants was 40% less than for native born Americans.  When it came to homicides, the native born Americans killed at a rate 46% above that of illegal immigrants. 

Those are the facts...at least in Texas in 2015.

I know you will state again that I am being a smart ass...so be it.  Facts that you do not believe are no less facts.  Oh, are you one of those Kellyanne Conway ''alternative fact'' guys...one of those Rudy Giuliani ''the truth is not always true'' types?

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Humm Buteye
Date:	1/13/2019 12:56:46 AM (updated 1/13/2019 1:12:59 AM)

I get upset when it is an "illegal immigrant" that assaults and murders innocent people. These are crimes that are among the most "despicable" imaginable and they didn't have to happen. These are criminals who "never" should have been in the country in the first place or who have been "arrested" for crimes but were not deported back to Mexico because state law encorcement agencies defy ICE AGENTS and protect criminals who in turn commit more crimes. Any "government official", state, local, or otherwise who "refuses" to remove known criminals from our Country  should be charged as an "accessory" to the commission of a crime. While it's a hard thing to say, these same people should have to "feel" the same degree of "loss and sorrow" as the families who are "victimized" by these criminals. What would be the difference in "charging" a person in government who knowingly prevents a person from being turned over to ICE for deportation than charging a person who knowingly "harbors" a criminal thus preventing their arrest for a crime?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tell me Hound
Date:	1/14/2019 12:15:57 PM

They should be voted out by reasonable people.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	That will likely be Trump's fate in 2020
Date:	1/15/2019 1:10:27 AM

There you go again "predicting" the future. Just remember how you "celebrated" when we "gave" you President Trump instead of Hillary who should be in prison.