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Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   National Emergency on Guns by Pelosi
Date:   2/14/2019 5:40:46 PM (updated 2/14/2019 5:41:37 PM)

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday issued a warning to Republicans poised to support President Trump's decision to declare a national emergency at the southern border: the next Democratic president, she said, could do the same on guns.


I think there is a major difference.  The border wall is not going to shoot back.


If a President decided to do an end run around the 2nd amendment and attempt massive gun control through a national emergency call, that will be the shot heard around the country as the next civil war starts regardless of what party tried it.

Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   National Emergency on Guns by Pelosi
Date:   2/15/2019 8:29:30 AM (updated 2/15/2019 8:30:07 AM)


From the Declaration of Independence: 

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. BUT WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND USURPATIONS, PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT EVINCES A DESIGN TO REDUCE THEM UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT, and to provide new Guards for their future security."         [emphasis mine]


and the power to "throw off such government" as institutionalized in OUR Constitution:

Article the fourth [Amendment II]  - - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

- LMF Curmudgeon

Name:   Old Diver - Email Member
Subject:   Peaceful Revolution
Date:   2/15/2019 9:40:22 AM

  There is now a peaceful revolition brewing and that is the Convention of States. Under Article V of the Constitution if 2/3 of the  states vote to hold a convention they can propose amendments to the Constition. Then these are submitted to the whole country and if 3/4 of the states ratify these amendments they become law without ever going thru Washington!

   They are proposing term limits and making our elected officiald subjected to the same laws as we the people and only that! We are tired of two term millionares! Some 13 states have already passed this resolution. Join it and lets do it!!!

Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   National Emergency on Guns by Pelosi
Date:   2/15/2019 11:39:09 AM

While I agree that her example is ridiculous, there is no doubt in my mind that future Presidents will abuse a national emergency declaration.  It's why we told Harry Reid that they would regret the nuclear option on judges.  The reality here is that Congressmen/women have over the last 25 years abrogated far too much of their responsibility to legislate to the executive/judicial branches and the beauracracy.  For them it's all about not doing anything that would harm their reelection chances.  I for one wish Congress would do their jobs and that the executive and judicial branches, and especially the beaurcracy, return to their original roles.  Yeah I know, we gotta dream.......

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