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Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   ''The Saudi's pay cash!'' Donald Trump
Date:   9/19/2019 5:05:25 PM

That perfectly describes the policies, attitude, philosophy and psychology of this administration in just 4 words!!





Name:   wix - Email Member
Subject:   ''The Saudi's pay cash!'' Donald Trump
Date:   9/20/2019 9:09:17 AM

SO, your post is your declaration that you take the side of Iranian muslims??





Name:   johndoe - Email Member
Subject:   ''The Saudi's pay cash!'' Donald Trump
Date:   9/20/2019 9:49:12 AM

"SO, your post is your declaration that you take the side of Iranian muslims??"

ROFL. What religion do you think the Saudis observe? Are you not aware that the Saudi "royal" family comprise a bunch of corrupt, murdering criminals? Are you deluded enough to think our alliance with the Saudis is about  anything but oil and money?

The level of ignorance expressed by some of the regulars here - yourself included - is astonishing.

 




Name:   wix - Email Member
Subject:   johnny-doo-doo shia or sunni
Date:   9/20/2019 10:05:30 AM

Oh, you read the wrong page of the dimokrap idiot’s response manual.  So it’s all about money, huh??  Have you never heard of the different tribes and belief’s of muslims?  Can you say IRAN muslims are shia tribe, and SAUDI ARABIA is ruled by sunni tribe?   Do they love each other???  Oh, it’s all about money, huh??

johnny-doo-doo, you are a DUMMY!!!!





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   johnny-doo-doo shia or sunni
Date:   9/20/2019 11:30:17 AM

Have to agree with wix on this one.  JD you are showing YOUR ignorance. Sunni and Shia Muslims hate each other almost as much as Muslims hate Jews or Christians. That is in great part why Saudi Arabia and Iran are enemies rather than allies against the "infidels".





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   ''The US TAXPAYER HAS DEEP POCKETS'' - Archie
Date:   9/20/2019 11:51:53 AM

So you prefer the American tax payer to foot 100% of the bill for anything we do around the world?

 

I would prefer we stop trying to police the world - I do not have a problem with helping allies out that are also willing to help with funding.  the US gets stuck with the bill for 99% of the worlds problems and the since the rest of the world and our allies dont get stuck with the bill they are just happy with it.  Look at how many have been behind in their payments to NATO for a long time, or only pay a drop in the bucket.

 

 





Name:   johndoe - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/20/2019 12:43:34 PM (updated 9/20/2019 1:39:48 PM)

is not among your strong points, assuming you have any.

The question I asked is "Are you deluded enough to think our alliance with the Saudis is about anything but oil and money?"

History lesson follows.

Iran was an ally of the US for the reign of the Shah, whom we installed in 1952 following a CIA-led coup. Just as with Saudi Arabia, the  alliance with Iran was also about oil and money. The religious practices of the citizens of neither country were of the slightest interest to the US, nor was the fact that Shia and Sunni Muslims are hostile towards each other. We - and the rest of the Western world - had our eyes on one thing: petroleum reserves. When the Shah was overthrown in 1979 by a popular revolution, the US made the strategic mistake of offering him asylum here. Overnight, Iran transformed from an ally to an enemy.

Both regimes are controlled by murdering tyrants. They hold public beheadings, stonings, etc., they treat women and children as property, and they brutally suppress any dissent or unfriendly media coverage, much in the same way the #45 would like to do here, if he could only get away with it.

FYI, it was Saudis, not Iranians, who were responsible for the attacks of 9/11. The admin at the time quietly flew Saudi diplomats and VIPs back to their country, because they were well aware of this fact.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   'No WIXIE poo l don’t
Date:   9/20/2019 1:10:02 PM (updated 9/20/2019 1:13:02 PM)

but apparently you and you Dear Leader take the side that murders and dismembers their fellow citizens who are reporters employed by an American newspaper.  No problem...”they do pay cash! To answer your question...yeah, with Trump it is all about money!

You really are an idiot!!!





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/20/2019 1:12:58 PM (updated 9/20/2019 1:15:10 PM)

So you are saying that our government meddled in another countries politics/elections and made the country worse?  Basically 100% of the time our government tries it?

You are also saying that Muslims(of which there are multiple flavors) are really bad people?  But Democrats keep telling us that they are wonderful peaceful people and the "religion of peace"? 

You pointed out lots of things that I also believe - Muslims once they are a dominate political force for an area do not seem to mind all the bad things that they do, I know many Muslims who do not agree with all the beheadings, stonings, treatment of women and children and suppresssion.  I am glad that you agree that they are not a "religion of peace" as we have been told over and over.

Yes, it is probably all about oil and money,  GWB allowed them to get away with 9/11 in my opinion, and Obama bowed to them and loved them all in his global world apology tour.  Obama and Clinton allowed them attack us again on another 9/11 and blamed a video.  It was just a grassroots spontaneous uprising about a video they never heard of, not some form of jihad, planned uprising or political statement.

And that Trump would become like those really bad people if only he could get away with it?  Well we are so glad that the democrats found the colonoscopy machine to be able to keep Trump in check and not allow him to do what he really wants to do ( in your opinion), its a shame no one could find such tools for Obama or Hillary.

 

 

 

 





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/20/2019 1:36:05 PM

Nothing wrong with my reading comprenhension.

 

"SO, your post is your declaration that you take the side of IRANIAN muslims??"

ROFL. What religion do you think the SAUDIS observe?"

So the point being made is they are the same relision and that is both true and not true.

An Iranian fighter pilot, Kazem Ayatollahi, was in my section of 12 officers for Squadron Officer School in 1974 and we communicated occasionally after that until the Shah was overthrown.  Never heard from hiom after that and have to assume, since he was a Lt Col at the time and considered a "Shah's man" that he ended up losing his head or worse. 

Another member of our Group was Bandar bin Sultan, a Saudi fighter pilot who was Faisal's nephew and ended up spending a fair amoiunt of time as the Saudi Ambassador to the US (on a lighter note that SOS class was during the oil embargo and Bandar was a bit of a prankster.  At a graduation ceremony partyhe gave the SOS Commandant...a quart of oil).

While they played nice while here as guests of the US and the USAF, there is no doubt that the countries are led by iron fisted despots, one side hiding behind religion, the other behind being "royalty". In conjunction with our relationship with Israel the US is extremely interested in maintaining a balance of power in the Middle East and a loose alliance with the Saudis serves as part of that balancing act.  The last thing we need is a united muslim Middle East exporting their type of "religion" and values to our shores.  We act in our own interest, albeit at times not really wanting to do what we do, just like a fair nuber of posters on this forum who vote for Trump as the "least worst" of the lot.





Name:   johndoe - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/20/2019 1:37:16 PM

"So you are saying that our government meddled in another countries politics/elections and made the country worse?  Basically 100% of the time our government tries it?"

Yes.

"You are also saying that Muslims (of which there are multiple flavors) are really bad people?"

No. There's that lack of reading comprehension again. My references to the practices of the rulers of those countries made no mention of religion.

"But Democrats keep telling us that they are wonderful peaceful people and the "religion of peace"? 

Hmmm.... Our "Christian" nation murdered and displaced indigenous people and allowed the ownership of human beings for hundreds of years. Not only have we never compensated the descendants of those populations for the original atrocities, they are still the subjects of systemic, as well as personal (e.g., many of the folks who post here) discrimination. Yet Jesus is called the "prince of peace." See any irony (look it up) there?

"Obama and Clinton allowed them attack us again on another 9/11"

Now there's a stretch: an attack in another country that resulted in four Americans dying conflated with the worst attack on American soil, in which 2977 Americans were killed on our soil. You're a real rhetorical gymnast, if not terribly insightful or intelligent.

"And that Trump would become like those really bad people if only he could get away with it?"

There's video and eyewitness testimony for that, phil. An extra term in office, "President for life," telling the cops not to be nice to prisoners, making excuses for MBS's murder and dismemberment of a Washingon Post journalist, making excuses for Putin's murders, etc., etc. If you don't realize that he'd like nothing more than to emulate the tyrants he sucks up to, then you're as delusional as he is.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/20/2019 2:09:25 PM (updated 9/20/2019 2:11:50 PM)

"But Democrats keep telling us that they are wonderful peaceful people and the "religion of peace"? 

Hmmm.... Our "Christian" nation murdered and displaced indigenous people and allowed the ownership of human beings for hundreds of years. Not only have we never compensated the descendants of those populations for the original atrocities, they are still the subjects of systemic, as well as personal (e.g., many of the folks who post here) discrimination. Yet Jesus is called the "prince of peace." See any irony (look it up) there?

Yes Christians have done bad things in the past, and the present, and probably the future.  So - you are saying because "christians did something bad" then we can never grow past it, become better - we should always be judged by the sins of those before us -  and more importantly how can we ever argue someone else is also bad?  So have you ever done anything bad?  If you have (which I anticipate you have fallen short of perfection) how are you allowed to criticize the president or anyone else for that matter?  You are not perfect and have not compensated anyone for anything to settling any "origiinal atrocities" so sorry you are as guily as anyone else.

"Obama and Clinton allowed them attack us again on another 9/11"

Now there's a stretch: an attack in another country that resulted in four Americans dying conflated with the worst attack on American soil, in which 2977 Americans were killed on our soil. You're a real rhetorical gymnast, if not terribly insightful or intelligent.

Never equated death counts - that was all on you.  Funny you point out it was "in another country", I am pretty sure that while in another country, are consulates not considered US property?  If your statement is true that the Saudi's were behind the 9/11 as I also believe, then more then likely they were of a Muslim faith, and the ones that Obama and Clinton excused were also. And there are some lovely videos and images of Obama bowing to the Saudi's who you now criticise. 

"And that Trump would become like those really bad people if only he could get away with it?"

There's video and eyewitness testimony for that, phil. An extra term in office, "President for life," telling the cops not to be nice to prisoners, making excuses for MBS's murder and dismemberment of a Washingon Post journalist, making excuses for Putin's murders, etc., etc. If you don't realize that he'd like nothing more than to emulate the tyrants he sucks up to, then you're as delusional as he is.

When his term is over and he does not leave - then we can talk about his "third term" vs you just creating strawmen based on your opinion.  I am amazed that above you can talk about Benghazi being an "attack in another country" and in the same breath state that Trumps opinions about the death of someone in another country should be evidence that he would want to get away with something?  Y you can claim that Obama and Hillary's(excuses) lies about Benghaz was OK - and then attempting to claim I am equating them by body count, and not that GWB excused the Saudi's just as Obama excused Benghazi - you are the delusional one.

 

You really need help.  When Trump wins his 2nd term I am fearful of what you may do to yourself as you are currently unhinged. 





Name:   johndoe - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/20/2019 2:14:20 PM (updated 9/20/2019 2:16:28 PM)

"Yes Christians have done bad things in the past, and the present, and probably the future."

So you're saying Christians (of which there are multiple flavors) are really bad people, right?

 

 

See what I did there? (Hint: read your previous comments about Muslims.)

 

Phil, you'd lose a battle of wits with a half-filled ashtray.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/20/2019 2:34:25 PM

"Yes Christians have done bad things in the past, and the present, and probably the future."

So you're saying Christians (of which there are multiple flavors) are really bad people, right?

 

 

See what I did there? (Hint: read your previous comments about Muslims.)

 

Phil, you'd lose a battle of wits with a half-filled ashtray.

 

 

1. Never said there are not bad Christians(past, present and future) - so yes you are correct in that not all Christians are good people. No, I do not hold all present Christians responsible for past atrocities of bad people as you seem to. Do you see what I did there?  Please feel free to go back and re-read your previous comments.

2. In this case do you consider yourself the half-filled ashtray? or the empty one because while you are attempting to twist my statements, I do not feel that you are winning this battle.

 

Do you care to comment on your decision to consider an American consulate as foreign soil? or your lack of concern for Obama bowing to those same Saudi leaders and excusing the death of Americans and lying about it being because of video ?  Or is it that much like Antifatech you do not seem to find any fault with our previous democrat adminstration, or your excuse is that they are no longer in office so not important and we do not need to discuss that.  I wonder if Obama had had the same colonoscopy treatment by democrats and the media how would his presidency been reflected? But we will never know because any criticism of him was just "racist" and any against Hillary was just "sexist".  Not that they were just bad people doing bad things. 

While I do give fault Trump for many things, I am unable to excuse him for the fact that he has really mentally broken so many democrats.

I believe Obama was the one caught on open mic with something along the lines of tell Putin I will have more flexability after the election.  

 

 





Name:   Old Diver - Email Member
Subject:   Iran's Time Machine to the 9th Century
Date:   9/20/2019 5:53:38 PM

   We have to deal with countries as they are not as we wish. We had a friend in the Shaw of Iran. He was rather progressive, for a Muslim Country and he did much to bring his people into the modern world but he was tough on his enemies. He had to be! He came down with cancer and came to the U S for treatment. He was dieing but he could have designated his successor. 

   Look up the whole story but Jimmie Carter thought he had a bad Human Rights record and helped the Iotola Komeny (?) come to power. Now he has a great "human rights record" doesn't he. That is how Iran became a nest of lunitics and a threat to the world and how our last brilliant, whity, charming and intelligent president showered Iran with pallet loads of cash. I have always wondered how Oboma had the authority to do? Another tryumph of liberalism!

 





Name:   johndoe - Email Member
Subject:   Iran's Time Machine to the 9th Century
Date:   9/20/2019 6:14:17 PM

It would appear you're suffering from a bad case of the bends, OD. You need to get yourself to a decompression chamber, and quick.





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   HEY OLD DIVER
Date:   9/20/2019 10:07:42 PM (updated 9/21/2019 2:16:22 AM)

"I have always wondered how Oboma had the authority to do? Another tryumph of liberalism!"

I imagine he used the same authority that Trump used to steal taxpayer funds to build the wall he promised Mexico would pay for. The money returned to Iran was money paid to the US for weapons by Iran but never delivered prior to the 1979 coup. It included interest.

 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Home work for the weekend OD
Date:   9/21/2019 12:00:39 AM (updated 9/21/2019 12:09:48 AM)

Relax, take off your weighted boots and study up on the human rights record of the ''Shaw'' of Iran vis a vis the ''Iotola''.   I believe you will find the ''Iotola'' was not an example of what most of us would prefer, but the man who sat on the Peacock Throne was no Jeffersonian democrat either!  I believe you will also find your interpretation of ''Jimmie'' Carter's opinion of the ''Shaw'' and his help for the ''Iotola''to be somewhat removed from reality.

 





Name:   flyfisher - Email Member
Subject:   HEY OLD DIVER
Date:   9/21/2019 9:16:17 AM

GF better quit worrying about cost of THE WALL & move your $$ to Caymans before Bern & Pocahontas confiscate it to pay for ALL THAT STUFF





Name:   johndoe - Email Member
Subject:   ''The Saudi's pay cash!'' Donald Trump
Date:   9/21/2019 9:48:34 AM

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Name:   johndoe - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/21/2019 10:43:18 AM (updated 9/21/2019 10:44:42 AM)

"So the point being made is they are the same relision and that is both true and not true."

Hmmm... so saying that Baptists, Episcopalians, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, "are the same relision [sic] ..... is both true and not true."

What is this, Schrodinger's Devotee? We share a religion but have different religions? Every major religion has subsects. Christianity tops them all in that department.

"In conjunction with our relationship with Israel the US is extremely interested in maintaining a balance of power in the Middle East and a loose alliance with the Saudis serves as part of that balancing act."

That is a transparently disingenuous way of trying to sanitize the fact that the US has been directly interfering (e.g., the CIA-initiated coup that installed Mohammad Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1952) in the internal affairs of sovereign Middle Eastern countries for more than a century.

FYI, Africa is much larger and has vastly greater population than the Middle East, yet somehow the US has never concerned itself with a "balance of power" in that continent.

It's all about petrodollars and has been since Western powers partitioned the Middle East for their own benefit post-WWI.





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/21/2019 7:34:01 PM

No doubt we are interested in oil but you can’t discount the threat from a unified Muslim Middle East exporting Sharia law by force. With regard to Africa there is no credible threat because they expend their treasure (money and lives) fighting each other. 

Incidentally, what gives you the right to berate the capabilities and knowledge of someone you never met?  





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/21/2019 7:34:43 PM

No doubt we are interested in oil but you can’t discount the threat from a unified Muslim Middle East exporting Sharia law by force. With regard to Africa there is no credible threat because they expend their treasure (money and lives) fighting each other. 

Incidentally, what gives you the right to berate the capabilities and knowledge of someone you never met?  





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/21/2019 8:33:43 PM

"Incidentally, what gives you the right to berate the capabilities and knowledge of someone you never met?" Have you ever thought of asking WIX or most of the posters on the Right the same question??? It's a Forum dude and you know quite well that "everyone" has the right to berate. Maybe, it is just the Trump syndrome that has taken over.





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Reading comprehension
Date:   9/21/2019 10:02:24 PM

Doesn't seem credibility is very important to you.  I still haven't been provided any reason that would cause me to blow away my theory that wix is you in disguise.  Like you, wix steadfastly refuses to engage in real dialogue off the forum.  That is where real ideas, rationale, and opinions can be discussed as adults interested in real dialogue.  You know who I am and I know who you are, but didn't get your attention until I mentioned a certain doctor that is doing good deeds in the big city.  Unlike Lifer I have no interest in outing anyone but would like to carry on a real conversation devoid of posturing and bloviating.  Doesn't seem to be possible with anyone (with one exception) on the left on this forum.  Your/their choice, not mine.

I find wix's posts as distatsteful or even more than yours, Archie's, or JD...and phil is strident yet brings up good points.  Martini is solidly conservative, a climate change doubter, and sticks strictly by his Catholic upbringing and the teachings of the Church.  Hound sits back and then provides reasoned opinions based on her experiences in the swamp and five sided funny farm.  Some of the others...like me retired from the military, look at things from a more pragmatic and less emotional viewpoint.  They/I try to make reasoned arguments based on 20 to 30 year careers ensuring that we as a country can live in ppeace within our borders.

So, if you want to have a real conversation email me and give me a phone number where you can be reached...doesn't have to be your real number just one where you would answer and we could chat a bit and maybe understand a little better where each of us is coming from.

Ball is in your court. 





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   BTW
Date:   9/21/2019 10:41:57 PM

You selectively choose to read my posts, else you wouldn't make that comment about me and Trump.  Cheap shot.





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   BTW Hodja, WIX, and GF
Date:   9/22/2019 12:12:09 AM

I was not referring to you with the Trump referance.  Rather, Trump and his berating of everyone he disagrees with has changed the way posters berate others. It used to be the exception. Now, it has become the norm.

If both WIX and I called you, our voice would unmask us. Now, that might open us up to ridicule when you posted the evidence. We are too proud for that to occur. Right bro!!!!!







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