Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	who is offended today
Date:	10/10/2019 3:02:39 PM (updated 10/10/2019 3:03:17 PM)

 beside George W. B.  & Ellen D. - I swear some prople can make a mountain out of absolutely nothing

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	who is offended today??? This guy is.....
Date:	10/10/2019 4:34:30 PM

President Donald Trump expressed his displeasure Thursday with a Fox News poll that found a majority of registered voters believe he should be impeached — a record high in the survey.

"From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good @FoxNews Poll," Trump tweeted. "Whoever their Pollster is, they suck.

"Oh well, I’m President!" he added.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	who is offended today??? This guy is.....
Date:	10/10/2019 4:56:48 PM

Well, I am offended!  

GF, you should know by now, like Pres. Trump, that polls are meaningless.  The sample sizes are usally so small as to be significant, and it's the you word the question and who you ask.  When they say 'registered voters', well if you ask all Democrats then it will be overwhelmingly in favor of impeachment.  

I was watching CBS This Morning.  They had Rand Paul on to plug his new book as to why socialism doesn't work. But did the hosts let him talk about that?  No.  They demanded to know immediately if Trump should be impeached and a bunch of other one sided questions in the same frame of "when did you stop beating your wife".  The one thing he did say that made sense - you shouldn't impeach Trump for his demands on Ukraine, when you didn't impeach Biden for the same thing."  The only mention of his book was in the last 5 seconds, and it was clear the hosts were ticked off in not being able to hook him, because they said "you refused to answer the question".  

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	who is offended today??? This guy is.....
Date:	10/10/2019 5:26:34 PM

GF- and yet the economy & DOW  keepshummin   along which probably, like bill marhr , crusts your butt

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hey Ms Hound
Date:	10/11/2019 8:28:35 AM

Why bring me into this conversation?  As for my view of polls, I think far too many of them are done to influence public opinion, not gauge it.  The way the questions are structured is one essential aspect as is the weighting of the poll between Democrats, Republicans and Independents and whether it is of registered voters or likely voters.  But what is also interesting is to look at the answers to other questions.  The recent FoxNews poll about Trump impeachment is a good example.  It overweighted Democrats over Republicans by 8%.  What they don't show, because it undermines the poll clickbait headline, is the proportion of Democrats calling for impeachment versus Republicans.  I'm betting that's because it is wildly different.  Include as many Republicans as Democrats and I am betting the result falls well below 50%.

And they never talk about the internals.  For example, in this poll 57% of the respondents didn't think the call with the president of Ukraine was an impeachable offense.  That is the reason Democrats are going for impeachment and even the respondents to this poll don't think it is justified based on this call, which initself is amazing given the overweighting of Democrats.  So how do you explain the discrepency?  How do you explain the overwhelming desire of Democrats for impeachment despite them not supporting the alleged reason?  TDS, plan and simple. Another aspect of all this that gets very little mention is slant of the media coverage on this issue and pretty much anything Trump.  I imagine the media wrings their hands that the numbers aren't higher given the overwhelmingly negative coverage.  Even when details come out in Trump's favor it gets spun.  We see more details about the political bias of the leaker and the headline is Republicans Pounce on Whistleblower Who Now Fears Violent Retaliation.  The reality is that if the public knew who this person was and their overt bias, saw their social media and text messages, saw the details of the coordination with Pencil Neck, saw the trasncript of the Volker testimony and so on, even many Democrats would see this for what it is and no longer support impeachment for this call.

Regardless, my only issue with polls is how they are used and misused and underexplained and spun and twisted.  They become a talking point by either side of an issue meant to influence public opinion, not determine what it actually is.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hey Ms Hound
Date:	10/11/2019 8:37:23 AM

No, that's not true.  I am always skeptical of polls.  I don't know the context or what I was thinking when I posted this.  Maybe it was before TDS settled in, and every poll shows him losing.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	HEY MARTINI
Date:	10/11/2019 8:15:19 PM

I mentioned your name because I wanted to read your typical unbiased, fair, and balanced response. You did not disappoint me. You do need to give a more concise response. You sort of rambled on and on.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	HEY GOOFY
Date:	10/14/2019 12:34:42 PM

Well maybe next time ask a yes or no question.  Oh, and it turns out I had it wrong.  The FoxNews polls oversampled Democrats by 14% and not 8%.  This poll was designed to provide cover for Pencil Neck and not to actually gauge public opinion.  And it has failed.  And it will only get worse as the news from the behind closed door impeachment inquiry gets worse and worse.