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Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 9:03:32 AM (updated 10/25/2019 9:39:04 AM)

This according to the NYT so take it with a grain of salt.  Does explain why DOJ, State and CIA deep state actors are lawyering up.  We shall see if indeed you can indict a ham sandwich as this being a criminal probe it means they can now subpeona witnesses and empanel a Grand Jury.  Can you say 5th amendment, over and over and over?  That's what I would do if I were the ones that perpetrated this fraud that led to an attempted coup.  Of course they are all upset Trump beat Hillary because all their misdeeds would have been sewpt under the rug.  And interestingly, Joseph Mifsud has disappeared.  Probably in the witness protection program so he can avoid Arkincide......or maybe they already got to him.  Either way, I believe Durham has his CIA-provided burner phones and they are likely a treasure trove of interesting information.

And by the way, last tweets by Comey, Brennan and others occurred in mid-October.  I suspect their attorneys told them no more tweets guys, you are officially under criminal investigation.  Oh, and please make the $200,000 retainer check out to Hookem, Rookem and Cheatum.  Plan on another similar amount in a couple of weeks.

On a related note, the Flynn case is likewise blowing up.  His new attorney has discovered a treasure trove of Strozk/Page texts about changing the Flynn 302 report in ways that make it completely different than the agent's notes on key issues.  I am starting to believe that Flynn may actually be headed toward exoneration.  And yes, it can still happen all the way up to sentencing which has wisely been delayed so his new attorneys can examine whether the govt lied and withheld exculpatory information, which it appears they did.  And if Strozk and Page changed the 302 and submitted it they have exposed themselves to federal criminal charges for perjury.





Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 9:32:53 AM

Lawyering up is a good idea but the 5th will work for the ring leaders but the smart underlings are rolling and singing like birds I would imagine.  You know there had to be some lower level folks that may or may not have agreed with what was going on but were caught up in it or at least have significant knowledge that arent willing to go to prison for their role.  I think they will be exploited to the max as well they shouuld then have their employment terminated and loose ALL retirement benefits. Why in the hell we let folks caught lying, cheating, stealing, leaking subversives to draw a retirement form the same tax payers they subverting with their actions is beyond me.  But that's just me.





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 10:37:45 AM

Just in time Comey has finally tweeted today about his "emotional" visit to some civil rights memorial.  A weak attempt to immunize himself by jumping on the civil rights bandwagon.  The responses to his tweet are pretty hilarious.  Expect him to compare himself to Rosa Parks and MLK next when he is dragged into the Grand Jury room.  Brennan is still AWOL.





Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 1:06:51 PM

Fox source   WND reporting

https://www.wnd.com/2019/10/review-russia-collusion-now-full-fledged-criminal-investigation/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=breaking

 





Name:   Talullahhound - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 1:49:48 PM

While you may be enjoying watching go down, just keep in mind that this is our government we are talking about and our allies and enemies are watching it too.  

 





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 1:55:31 PM (updated 10/25/2019 2:05:19 PM)

They have been watching and giggling for about 3 years now about Russia Russia Russia.  

 

On a side note saw an article this morning that if impeachment goes through the senate will be doing nothing else but the trial for a while.  Assuming that the vote is held by Christmas and the senate trial starts early next year and runs a few months, how are all these dem senate presidental canidates going to get out and campaign?  They will be tied up 6 days a week, unable to go to all the events they are now.

That I would think would cripple election/fundraising/stumping efforts of several of the canidates.

 

 





Name:   Buteye - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 3:37:12 PM

I don't think that anyone who supports our democracy is enjoying what has been happening for almost three years. Failure to. demand appropriate punishment to those who are a part of the "deep state" will only allow a continuation of what we now know has been happening in Congress over the past several years. We cannot turn a "deaf ear" to what has been exposed during the ongoing investigations.





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Russia collusion hoax now a criminal investigation
Date:   10/25/2019 3:50:15 PM

I'm not enjoying any of this but Democrats are reaping what they have sown.  Believe me, the world is watching whether we are banana republic or whether the rule of law still exists here.  As for your warning, it is much better for Democrats to hear this than us.  We would have all been better off had they accepted the 2016 results and had they not used the bureaucracy to meddle in an election and then when they lost try to undermine it to cover their misdeeds.  We will be just fine, and in my opinion far better off if a few deep state actors go to prison if they created this false narrative about collusion that has put our country through three years of hell.  We now know that what all of us believed to be a hoax and a coup to have been just that.  The question is whether there is a John Dean from the Obama White House that will tell us who knew what and when and if it goes to the top then so be it.  Whether Brennan, Clapper, Comey or others go to prison to protect the higher ups will be interesting to watch.  But hey, maybe the IG report and Durham will find no illegal actions and we can move on.  Given these recent developments it is more likely that they are squeezing the underlings and will have all sorts of perjury traps for the upper echelon types.  Goose, gander or whatever the heck Archie likes to call it.





Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   Oh what a tangled web we weavewhen
Date:   10/25/2019 7:26:22 PM

Poetic justice?  Let's investigate everybody because they are all crooks.  Let's bar (pardon the pun) political parties and corporate donations!  It's time we take back our country!  





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   The Trumpistas
Date:   10/25/2019 8:09:26 PM

continue to whistle past the grave yard trying to not fall into the freshly dug grave in front of them and completely oblivious to the 7' tombstone that is about to fall on them from behind!

It is sad to see a man who was so dismissive of D J Trump in 2016 become such a Trump suck up in 2019. 





Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   TDS is sad to see
Date:   10/25/2019 8:39:36 PM

And Archie my man you got it bad.  People who salute the party line deserve all they get.  Donald does and says what he says to get your goat!  Check mate.





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   The Trumpistas
Date:   10/25/2019 9:35:46 PM

Amusing that you use the term "Trumpistas".  Frankly, you must be thinking of somewhere else because I see nobody on this forum who might fit that moniker, however in the hell you define it.  I definitely see posters who disagree with your warped sense of the evil DJT might embody, but I don't see blind allegiance to Trump as you would have us believe. 
If there are any "graves to be dug" they might well be for those who have the audacity, gall, and overblown sense of self importance that would make them think their views are more important than those whose constitutional right is to choose our president.  It is looking more and more like there was indeed an attempted coup de etat and those responsible might well be guilty of treason. 





Name:   Rich - Email Member
Subject:   Benedict Arnold
Date:   10/26/2019 10:26:13 AM

thought he was a patriot too. I believe all those found guilty in the collusion scam (coup attempt) should be found guilty of treason and delt with as such. My fear is we just had an attempted coup of our duly elected president and the guilty will get off with process crimes. This is no deterent to the swamp and those in the future, they will only cover their tracks better. The bureaucracy needs to be thoughly vetted and the dead wood removed. The State Dept especially.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Mr H if you don't see any blind allegiance
Date:   10/26/2019 1:39:10 PM (updated 10/26/2019 1:42:10 PM)

on this forum to one Donald J Trump and his every utterance, then you certainly have a serious vision problem every bit as serious as those personalty cultists blinded by Trump loyalty.  You need to get an appointment with the eye doctor ASAP!

BTW:  You, Donald Trump and lots of loose lipped Democrats and Republicans need to do a littl research on what constitutionally defines an act of treason.





Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   Mr H if you don't see any blind allegiance
Date:   10/26/2019 3:25:56 PM

Ok, Hodja please get an eye exam but demand in return a psychiactric exam from archie.  Then we can get together and compare results.  I'm quite certain your eyesight is in better shape than his mental state.





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Mr H if you don't see any blind allegiance
Date:   10/26/2019 4:27:01 PM

And you, dear sir, are so blinded by abject hatred of Donald Trump that you cannot absorb and process information rationally. You are the poster boy for the "D" in TDS. 





Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   please enlighten me, Archie
Date:   10/26/2019 4:40:45 PM

What has Mr. T done or said that you define as treason?  Pissing you off doesn't count.  





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   second Reply
Date:   10/26/2019 10:36:30 PM

Archie, on this forum are folks whose allegiance is to a concept that we believe to be best for our country. We are not hung up on an individual but an idea, an idea that we believe would be embraced by the framers of our Constitution.  All I see from you is railing about an individual, and that simply doesn't win any arguments with those of us you (erroneously) refer to as "Trumpistas". 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Mr H...''On this forum are people whose allegiance
Date:   10/27/2019 9:43:10 AM (updated 10/27/2019 9:54:02 AM)

is to the concept of what we think is best for the country''.  I agree.  But, In that group do you include the few of us on the forum who consider Donald J Trump to be the greatest threat to this nation's principals and very existance as a free society since WW ll?

TDS:  He!! yeah considering the situation!

 





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Feel sorry for Archie
Date:   10/27/2019 9:43:19 AM

It really is sad to watch these poor people descend into utter madness.  And they are helpless to prevent it because of their rage that Hillary lost and that Trump, despite all the obstacles, has accomplished more to make America great again in 3 short years than any Democrat could every accomplish because what they believe is just untrue.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Carlson, In the words of Ronald Reagan
Date:   10/27/2019 9:51:24 AM (updated 10/27/2019 10:58:56 AM)

''There you go again.''  Point out one single instance where I have said Trump had done anything treasonous?  He has certainly done things that disgusts me and most Americans and that are arguably illegal, but neither he nor any of those opponents have said ANYTHING that would be considered treason as defined by our constitution.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Rich...You sir need to read the constitution!!
Date:   10/27/2019 9:56:25 AM

before you start to pop off about punishing American citizens for treason!





Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Just 5
Date:   10/27/2019 10:02:06 AM (updated 10/27/2019 10:04:36 AM)

Arch, name five things Trump has done to deserve the statement:

 

Donald J Trump to be the greatest threat to this nation's principals and very existance as a free society since WW ll?

If you don't answer, you will go from little respect to no respect.





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   LOL!
Date:   10/27/2019 10:32:39 AM

What a hoot, suddendly the left has found respect for the Constitution.  I thought y'all called it a living document.  We need to change it to say anyone that participated in the Russia hoax coup attempt is guilty of treason alond with all those that still believe it!  Be afraid Archie, you and Goofy could be in for it now.  TDS may have legal consequences.  

 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Is that a threat?
Date:   10/27/2019 10:45:36 AM (updated 10/27/2019 10:48:52 AM)

of course not from you MM because you are generally lucid enough to know nothing unconstitutional has taken place on the part of Trump's opponents and so realize there is no justification for ''punishment''.  You, like Trump, are ''joking''.  Unfortunately much of Trump's ''base'' is not so lucid and do not have such a sophisticated sense of humor!

As to whether an unconstitutional act occured on the part of Donald Trump...well there we disagree.  You are 100% convinced you are right with no possibility otherwise.  I very strongly believe I am right but am willing to concede a very slight possibility that I am wrong.  There lies the difference between potential for tyranny and the hope of reason.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   I'll give you thousands...read his tweets,
Date:   10/27/2019 10:54:18 AM (updated 10/27/2019 10:56:34 AM)

listen to his speeches, look at his hirings and firings, consider many of his ''executive'' orders, consider his willingness to defy congress and therby the constitution.  Take you head out of the sand and look at reality for once rather than assume your own political bias is the ONLY opinion worthy of ''respect''!





Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   i have a phone and a pen....
Date:   10/27/2019 11:57:15 AM

Lol too funny.  





Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   i have a phone and a pen....
Date:   10/27/2019 1:02:11 PM (updated 10/27/2019 1:03:24 PM)

Pick 5 comrade........................

 

https://qmap.pub/docs

 





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Mr H...''On this forum are people whose allegiance
Date:   10/27/2019 2:53:40 PM

I can only hope that your obsession with DJT is because you think he is not good for the country.  But I am here to tell you that the far geater threat to this country and our continued existence as a free society is embodied in those who would have the Government running everything - those in the Democrat Party and even more those in that group that espouse Socialism dressed up as Democratic Socialism.  They want complete control of the medical industry...how does that help us stay free?  They want to take our guns (and don't give me that "only assault weapons" crap because it would just be the beginning) in direct violation of the Second Amendment.  They want to do away with fossil fuels, resulting in about $60,000 per year per family in additional taxes...the populace becomes enslaved to the Government just to pay for their folly....hiw does that help us stay free?  Yet you see DJT as such a threat...when he has a series of checks and balances in place to ensure whatever dastardly deeds you might conjure up that he might do are reversible.  Yes, there are existential threats to our nation and our free society but DJT is not near the top of that list.





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   What a strange Subject title
Date:   10/27/2019 7:04:47 PM

Weird that you chose that title to your post knowing full well I not only think the claims against Trump are a joke but also because the deep state actors that perpetrated the fraud didn't violate the Constitution per se, just the laws stemming from the exercise of rights and responsibilities under the Constitution.  While treason may be a strong word to use, who benefits most from the actions of Democrats right now?  The enemies of the U.S.  That Putin never thought he could have ever been as successful as he has been undermining our election system, he never counted on Democrats hating Trump more than they love this country.  If they did they would have accepted the election results of 2016 instead of starting impeachment on January 21, 2017.  If treason is providing aid and comfort to the enemy then maybe it fits what Schiff and Nadler have been doing for over 3 years.  It was a hoax, a lie, an orchestrated smear campaign without basis in fact against our President.  It aided our enemies.  Figure it out.....





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   I guess we will have to agree to disagree
Date:   10/27/2019 7:35:48 PM





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   See your ''LOL'' post MM, then you figure it out!
Date:   10/27/2019 7:45:30 PM (updated 10/27/2019 7:48:18 PM)

If you do not think many, perhaps most, Trump supporters are severely infected with his ''Cult of Personalty'' that puts the ''leader'' above the country, you are not paying attention. We are on very dangerous ground when the President's lawyer actually argues in open court that the president could in fact shoot someone in the street and his action not only could not result in an indictment but that, as long as he is president, the act cannot even be investigated by any law inforcement authority!! Do you agree with that reasoning MM, really do you defend it?  You figure it out!





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   Curious
Date:   10/27/2019 10:36:24 PM

Do you disgree that a totally Government run healthcare system will result in a less free society?

Do you disagree that confiscating "assault weapons" is not the first step toward de facto abolishment of the Second Amendment?

Do you disagree that implementing the "Green New Deal" will place an unconscionable tax burden on those least able to pay it?





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Curious
Date:   10/28/2019 8:45:33 AM (updated 10/28/2019 8:47:33 AM)

I do not favor a totally government run healthcare system, but do not agree that, if we had it, it would in any real way decrease our freedom (the freedom of big Pharma and big Insurance maybe).  It certainly hasn't had any significant supression of freedom in the other democratic and free nations that do have national manditory government managed healthcare.  I will point out that ALL Democrats do not support Medicare for All any more than ALL Republicans support abolition of the graduated income tax.  You know it too.

I do not know whether ''confiscation'' of assault weapons would be a step toward destroying the 2nd amendment.  I do feel there is no reasonable need for anybody to have an assault weapon and favor their sale being banned going forward.  It is my personal opinion that the 2nd amendment was not intended to be nearly as open ended by the framers as it is now interpreted by the courts.  I doubt Madison would have favored anybody off the street needed an modern assault rifle! Taking the interpretion by some gun advocates to the logical conclusion Gun shops would be selling gatling guns and anti tank weapons.  Logic is sorely needed!  I will point out that not ALL Democrats support confiscation aof any weapons any more than ALL Republicans support making it illegal for anyone of the Islamic faith to enter the country! You know it too.

I am not in favor of the Green New Deal and agree that it would be devastating to the poorest among us.  I am in favor of major moves away from fossil fuels because it will eventually be necessary and inevitable. If renewables received the same tax insentives as oil for the last 80 years we would likely already be independant of fossil fuels.  If we don't reduce the use of oil and coal the results will be devastating fo ALL of us.  I will point out that not ALL Democrats support the Green New Deal any more than ALL Republicans would deny abortion to women who become pregnant through of rape and incest!  You know it too.

 

I might also add that not ALL Democrats support open borders anymore than ALL Republicans support ending ALL immigration from ALL nations!  You know it too.





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   Curious
Date:   10/28/2019 8:53:46 AM

What is really funny based on your list of what you do not support - is 99% of what the demonrat canidates seem to be standing for.

 

Looks like your are attempting to claim you are in the "middle" without your party.

 

 





Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   Curious
Date:   10/28/2019 9:12:24 AM

You are a pathetic little pissant who hasn't had an original thought in years, maybe decades.  I for one am sick of you teling the rest of us what we think, or know, or wish, or want or whatever.  You liberals all think you are so much better and smarter than anyone else when in reality you are dumb as stumps who only parrot what you hear on cable fake news all day.  You are headed to a stroke with your TDS and once again, I, for one, hope it comes sooner rather than later so that you can lay around on election night and just drool as the landslide victory of God Emporer POTUS Donald J. Trump is revealed.  

And BTW, gun confiscation will never happen in this country becasue as quick as it is announced the shooting war will start. I'm ready archie, are you?





Name:   wix - Email Member
Subject:   He’s a man without a party!!
Date:   10/28/2019 9:38:33 AM

Astounds me that anyone will support a political party run by liberal idiots who make party priorities based on any give away program that will attract votes from the most worthless humans in the country.  ARCH-COMMIE obviously has fallen into the trap!

To address the three topics:

1:  Say Medicaid, not Medicare for all.  Hospitals are failing daily because of gubment requirements to provide care for all.  Congress and the liberal courts have already bankrupted the healthcare system.  Used to wonder why foreigners came to the US for healthcare.....mostly from countries with “freebie healthcare”.  Canadians flock to Florida during the winter to get surgery they can’t get at home.

2:  “Assault” weapon is BS.  An assault weapon has full auto firing.  It’s just a liberal idiot term to scare people. The 350,000,000 guns in the US is the best insurance policy on earth.  Dimokrap communists will try to take arms away from citizens just like all the other communists have done to their citizens.

3:  The answer to Big Green Krap is referred to #1 above.  When you have brainless liberals like AOC, and all the ARCH loved idiots supporting an impossible goal, you have to wonder about their real principles and/or goals!!

How do people who know their goals are impossible, stupid dreams continue to support...........their idiot leaders.

 





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   You obviously don't understand the law
Date:   10/28/2019 10:36:21 AM

As someone that does expert witness work I am well familiar with the tactic lawyers go to make a point about the law.  The reality is that any POTUS can't be indicted while in office regardless of what they did.  The path for removal is impeachment and conviction in the Senate and anyone not suffering from TDS realizes that if a President killed someone it wouldn't even get that far as members of their own party would force them to resign.

And this law is very much needed for one simple reason.  You could literally hobble a Presidency by allowing DA's indicting a President they opposed every other day.  Once they leave office they can be indicted, tried and if convicted sent to prison.  Just not while they are in office.  Why do you think Hillary was so desparate to win?  

Once again Archie, your govt school education system failed you in teaching basic civics.  I would demand a refund.





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   Curious
Date:   10/28/2019 11:27:43 AM

Government run healthcare won't necessarily decrease your freedom (as long as you are alive long enough to enjoy those freedoms).  I have given you case studies Archie on differences between our system and UK's, eg, with regard to how healthcare decisions are made.   If you think that theirs is a better system, you are spouting off from talking points and not experience.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Not being a UK citizen
Date:   10/28/2019 8:08:27 PM

I cannot compare the two systems based on experience and neither can you.   We can compare them based on cost and outcome.   Per my earlier stats (with sources noted) the average UK citizen spends 45 Cents for every dollar the average US citizen spends and the Brit gets better results (No 1 among 1st world nations compared with our 10th place).





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Oh, so MM thinks the President's lawyer
Date:   10/28/2019 8:26:25 PM (updated 10/28/2019 8:39:04 PM)

is trying to sell a bag of horse manure too.  Glad to hear it!  Maybe that hoity toity ''private school'' education served you well after all!  I too I'm just so thankful that I can still recognize lawyerly horse manure when I see it in spite of my inferior ''public school'' education.  The problem is Donald Trump believes the horse manure, private schooling not with-standing!





Name:   Carlson - Email Member
Subject:   Since when have you not
Date:   10/28/2019 8:49:39 PM

Formed an opinion with facts.  TDS has formed your reference of opinion and fact.  If the man takes a position you're automatically against it.  Like bagdaddy was an evil dude and he is now up for the Noble Peace Prize!  Lol, please don't kid a kidder.





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Non compos mentis
Date:   10/29/2019 8:17:16 AM

Archie, the law is what it is.  That you can't comprehend that reality is pretty dang sad.  As I said, you truly deserve a refund.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Uhhh...I am pretty sure
Date:   10/29/2019 8:27:44 AM (updated 10/29/2019 8:31:51 AM)

neither I, nor anyone else on this forum (nor the Nobel Committee for that matter) have expressed any positive opinions about al Baghdadi.

I also wonder why anybody would sound as if they have a problem with basing opinion on facts.  I know that is a strange concept to some on this forum, but still.......OH!  Sorry, you are kidding!!

Now, what does your post have to do with my post above discussing facts, not opinion, comparing the UK healthcare system with that in the US????





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   Not being a UK citizen
Date:   10/29/2019 10:27:49 AM

Correct Archie, although I have not been a participant in the UK's NHC, (thank goodness) I do know something about how treatment decisions are made in this system.  Trust me, you want medical professionals making individual treatment decisions based upon evidence based data and not a bureaucrat sitting behind a desk number crunching costs and expected life expectancies.  I will let you figure out which is which. 

In areas that you know little to nothing about, my suggestion is to not  insult those whose real life experiences and knowledge may help shape your reality in some small way.   Can't hurt, right?





Name:   au67 - Email Member
Subject:   Not being a UK citizen
Date:   10/29/2019 12:01:59 PM

Thanks for articulating the excellent suggestion to architect in the last paragraph of your post.  It should be offered to all the "smartest ones in the room" liberal thinkers and encompasses all subjects, not just health care.  





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   I have no idea how medical decision are made
Date:   10/30/2019 12:06:14 AM (updated 10/30/2019 12:15:47 AM)

in the UK, but however it is done they seem to be doing a pretty good job since they have the best overall outcome on the planet.  You can talk about your ''experience'' all you want CRD but...bottom line they get better results than you and your US colleagues.  Just because you don't like the facts doesn't change the facts!

Actually it can hurt when, instead of believing the factual results before their eyes, people start to believe what somebody claims to know without solid proof that he knows it's real!  That applies to UK/US healthcare and the state of politics in the US today.

BTW:  One would think such an expert on the UK healthcare system would know it is the ''National Health Service'' or NHS, not NHC!





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   I have no idea how medical decision are made
Date:   10/30/2019 8:04:04 AM

Archie, not too many individuals in the public health sector that I know would agree with many of your points, but to each his own. Easy to have great outcome data when your pool of candidates is very uniform.  That is why the question as to who decides which patient is qualified to receive care becomes important.  People like you cherry pick stats to support a position.  That is not how it is done when forming any sort of healthcare policy let alone comparing and contrasting two drastically different healthcare systems.  





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Not being a UK citizen matters not
Date:   10/30/2019 3:26:51 PM

Me either but I know a ton of people that have and they all have horror stories.  Same with Canada.  And let's just look at the horror stories from the VA health care system.  These are the very same people that crazed leftists want in charge of their medical care.  We warned you about what the ACA would do and you didn't listen so I doubt they will listen to these warnings.





Name:   wix - Email Member
Subject:   ARCH-STUPID
Date:   10/30/2019 4:01:12 PM

Lord, either you are terribly stupid, or you assume we are.  Check the demographics of GB.  87% white, then 2% black, then Pakistani, then mixed 1%.  Hardly comparable to US’s conglomeration of humans and semi-humans.  Why didn’t you use the liberal idiot’s usual country for great socialist healthcare....Finland!  I’d say take a good look at the dental welfare of the normal Brit and you’ll get a feel for their healthcare system.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   The truth hurts sometime doesn't it CRD?
Date:   10/30/2019 9:39:35 PM





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Being UK citizens they know reality
Date:   10/30/2019 10:09:54 PM (updated 10/30/2019 10:25:49 PM)

In 2006 my wife and I and our best friends had the pleasure of spending a day in Liphook, England (a london suburb) with a young couple and there 2 kids 7 and 3.  15 years before Heather had spent a year as a au-pair caring for our friend 2 kids.  While in Atlanta she met another UK citizen who worked as a chef in an Atlanta hotel.  They dated and fell in love.  He took a chef job in NYC and Heather followed him. after about 3 years they moved back to the UK and got married.  He then, and still today, works in the hotel industry in a food service management position for a large British hotel mamagement company headquartered in London.  He is still a chef at heart and prepared a traditional English Sunday ''roast''.  before lunch, as we sat in the garden of their modest home drinking pim's cups the conversation about there growing family turned to their difficulty in gettin doctor's appointments for the kids and the difficulty of healthcare in general.  The both cussed NHS up one side and down the other but then glanced at us and our quizzical looks, stopped their conversations, laughed and then he stated ''of course in experiencing the health hassle in the US and the UK we much prefer our NHS!''

MM, I'm sure you can find lots of Canadians and Brits that hate their healthcare system.  You also know you can find a lot of US citizens very equally disgusted by the nonsense of the US health nightmare.  I'm sure you have the ability to provide the best for yourself and your family and the same for CRD...well I hate to break it to you, but you are not the ''average'' American!  

Now, if you look at the facts you will find that, inspite of all it's problems and negative press, most Veterans who use VA medical offerings are still very satisfied.  I noticed you didn't bad mouth Medicare.  Why not, it is ''socialized Medecine''?  I suspect it is because you know enough people that are very happy with our Medicare...I certainly am.  As a constituent urged, I believe it might have been Sen Joe Manchin "Don't let the government get involved in my Medicare!'' 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   ''semi-humans'' you're a real piece of...work WIX!
Date:   10/30/2019 10:31:26 PM (updated 10/30/2019 10:33:43 PM)

BTW:  Your stats are way off and obviously have no idea what you are talking about as regards outcome!!!





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Being UK citizens they know reality
Date:   10/31/2019 10:25:58 AM

I'm glad you asked about Medicare as my Mom is on it as are many others.  If you can't afford gap insurance Medicare sucks.  And even with it you have a harder time finding a doctor that will take new Medicare patients and the best and brightest don't have to because they have enough patients with private insurance.  Considering Medicare costs over $700B (of which $50B is wasted) and takes up 15% of the national budget to cover 20% of the population it is no wonder the cost of Medicare for all will cost trillions.  So no, Medicare is not great insurance but it is an entitlement so there's no use fighting that reality.  But that's why we fight against Medicare for all.  And let me remind you that the single largest employer in the UK is the National Health Service.  Give that some thought.

And yes, the horror stories in the UK and Canada are legend.  And those with the money and don't want to wait a year for a hip replacement, a stent or cancer treatment fly to the U.S. and are on a table in less than a week.  So Archie, the rich in those countries aren't suffering because they can afford to come here and get the best care very quickly.  But as we already know, socialism does in fact create equality.....it's just equal misery for those pigs that are less equal than other pigs.





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   Being UK citizens they know reality
Date:   10/31/2019 11:20:53 AM

Archie,

No real point in any of us debating an individual whose facts are indistinguishable from hyperbole.  When was the last time you set foot in a VA hospital?  Noble healthcare providers who get beaten down by an inefficient system and bureaucracy is a more accurate reality.  Analyzing healthcare outcome data is so beyond your google search capabilities that it is pointless and impossible to try to educate you in paragraphs.  Suffice it to say, I will continue to call you out on matters that your perceived expertise fails to reach any level of confidence and reliability.





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Being UK citizens they know reality
Date:   10/31/2019 2:15:13 PM

If that is your criteria it pretty much covers everything he weighs in on.  





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   As I say
Date:   10/31/2019 11:36:14 PM (updated 10/31/2019 11:39:47 PM)

MM and CRD, you are not emblematic of the daily struggles of the average American.  I suggest you leave the pristine shore of Lake Martin and spend a litle time traveling the rural piedmont that surround the lake.  Sure, it is the heart of Trump country but it is not the heart of bash Medicare and Medicaid and VA country.  A little time in the inner city of Birmingham might be eye-opening too...of course you may not consider ''those'' people should inform your opinions in any way.

BTW CRD, go ahead and keep shouting your ''experienced opinion'' over facts...it won't change them!





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   As I say
Date:   11/1/2019 9:53:24 AM

Archie, next week I will be at Grady.  Do you want to join me for lunch?  I will be happy to show you around this part of the inner city, maybe get some good home cooking down on Auburn Avenue, introduce you to some acquantances of mine who I have known for over 20 years.  You see, when I am not on the shores of pristine LM, I actually do periodically visit the inner city for non paid service.  Maybe we can then wander over to the VA.  I don't quite fit into your tidy, neat, small minded class warfare basket Archie, but keep trying.  It does tend to get quite amusing.  

 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   No thanks CRD
Date:   11/1/2019 10:19:53 AM (updated 11/1/2019 10:25:02 AM)

I'm already very familiar with Auburn Ave and the meat and three places plus the good eats at Municipal Market.  My office is on Auburn Ave near the King Center...where is yours?

Sorry CRD, but your's and MM's snarky comments about public vs private schooling along with anti-Atlanta screeds most certainly DO place you in a certain, shall we say, social category, in the mind of the average American whether you like it or not!





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   No thanks CRD
Date:   11/1/2019 2:28:03 PM

Who defines just what an average American looks like Archie?  Is it based on household income?  Education?  Second, third or fourth homes? Perhaps the auto that one drives?  Urbanite? Suburbanite?  Occupation?  I thought I was an average American,  who knew???

Just what social category do MM and I fall into?  If you want to put me in a category, may I suggest one that is characterized by hard work and good choices, belief in God almighty, altruism, loyalty and honesty.  Because MM and I are opinionated and live our beliefs, in your world that makes us outliers.  Heaven forbid we think for ourselves and not rely on government to take care of us and our families.  I run away from your world Archie, it offers me no advantage and diminishes by ability to contribute to society in a way that is expected of me based upon blessings received.   





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   No thanks CRD
Date:   11/1/2019 4:43:37 PM

Well said CRD. Seems Archie and the others know so much more about what is "good" for us than we do and lose their cool when we don't agree that we are wrong and they are right.  His behavior shows the utmost disrespect for us, our ability to think, and our views. 





Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   [Message deleted by author]
Date:   11/1/2019 4:43:38 PM (updated 11/1/2019 4:44:29 PM)




Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   So, where’s your office CRD?
Date:   11/3/2019 7:31:49 AM

When you move your practice out of what I suspect is the Blue Blood Area into the Inner City or to a dirt poor rural county of SW GA then you can start to give me lectures about how much you know about average America and how much I don't.





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   So, where’s your office CRD?
Date:   11/3/2019 11:30:39 AM

Happy to reply Archie.

Left the blue blood area in the mid 90's.  Without a doubt best and most rewarding (financially, professionally and lifestyle) move of my life.  Moved well outside of the confines of metro Atlanta and have more than one office. One can find poor rural counties in Georgia without going to southwest Georgia Archie, and still have relative access to Atlanta.  Believe me, I began my own practice in one.   I have easy and quick access to LM.  Little traffic, and the best part is spending Sunday nights at the lake because the trip to work on Monday morning is so short.

So I am somewhat confused, Archie.  Are you implying that "average" Americans can only be found in the inner city or "dirt poor" areas of rural Georgia? 

I never accused you of not being familar with the average American.  Look at my post and quote the accusation.  What I asked you to do was define who you consider to be an "average" American.  I think the entire forum would be interested.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   I'm not sure who is the ''average'' American,
Date:   11/3/2019 11:07:25 PM (updated 11/3/2019 11:08:54 PM)

and neither are you.  But I'm pretty sure he does not own a home (first or second) on Lake Martin, does not disparage public education and those who are the product of public education,  does not boast of making ''excellent financial'' decisions that includes abandoning other ''lesser'' Americans, does not think that ooccasional ventures into the lesser abode of those lesser Americans to volunteer a few hours in their midst makes up for all the disparagement he has heaped on them and their lives, and does not think Donald Trump is doing a wonderful job for their own or the nation's well being.





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   I'm not sure who is the ''average'' American,
Date:   11/4/2019 11:21:24 PM

Few hours huh?  20 years actually.  I would not think you would want your definition of who qualifies as an average American out there in public Archie.  





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   [Message deleted by author]
Date:   11/10/2019 11:32:28 AM (updated 11/10/2019 11:38:47 AM)






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