Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Good Article on Sweden
Date:	4/14/2020 2:49:44 PM

https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

One big difference is Sweden has universal healthcare.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Good Article on Sweden
Date:	4/14/2020 3:26:26 PM

Interesting article with some current info.  Just curious what is the point of the universal health care statement?  I read the article and they seem to have all the same concerns about available hospital beds, etc.  

Despite that, the article basically states that they are trying another approach which has many in the health care community nervous.  Only time will tell whether the govt is right or wrong about this but so far their approach doesn't seem any worse than what we are seeing here except a higher mortality rate.  But as I point out, measuring mortality to confirmed cases is faulty because the number of confirmed cases is based on the volume of testing which can distort the number if there is less testing as a percentage of the population.  And note, I am avoiding the issue of universal health care and its impact on mortality.  I think other issues such as the age of the population and pre-existing conditions seem to have more of an influence.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Good Article on Sweden
Date:	4/14/2020 5:03:24 PM

I think as ones looks at numbers, it is important see what effect Universal Healthcare may have on the death rate based on pre exisiting conditions. I would expect Universal Healthcare to lower a population's pre existing conditions. Especially, among the poorer segment of the population.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	MM see GOOF-IDIOT above.....
Date:	4/14/2020 7:53:15 PM

I rest my case!!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Another Good Article on Sweden
Date:	4/14/2020 9:25:19 PM

Sweden opts for guidelines over restrictions amid Covid-19 pandemic

But while the UK‘s policy is now firmly in line with that of the vast majority of the world, Sweden remain an outlier. The Scandinavian country says it is relying on citizens to take responsibility and has given guidelines rather than any strict restrictions. Schools, shops and bars remain open with gatherings of up to 50 people still permitted.

Much of their response is based on advice from Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, who has advocated the policy. He has previously told Swedish TV that coronavirus could be stopped by “herd immunity, or a combination of immunity and vaccination”.

However, while the Swedish government continue to back Tegnell and pursue their more laissez-faire approach, recent figures suggest a worrying rise in fatalities in the country.

As of Thursday, the nation-wide total death count was 782, with the underlying statistics showing that Sweden has become more susceptible to the virus than neighbouring countries. The death rate of coronavirus-infected patients in Norway is less than 2%, with the figure in Denmark around 4%. In Sweden, nearly 8% of people to have contracted coronavirus have died.

Concerns are also growing about the spread of the virus in nursing homes, with one third of Stockholm’s nursing homes reporting cases.

Academics call on Swedish government to bring in tougher measures

At the end of March, 2,300 Swedish academics signed an open letter urging the government to introduce tougher measures to help combat the virus’ spread. Denmark, who began enforcing restrictions even before they had suffered their first death, have begun tentatively lifting restrictions after seeing no mass outbreak.

Denmark’s pre-emptive decision appears to have put them ahead of the curve in the fight against coronavirus, with the UK still some way off a lifting of the lockdown restrictions.

One of the government’s senior pandemic advisors, Professor Neil Ferguson, revealed on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that it was still too soon to consider removing any of the measures currently in place.

"Only when we can see the case numbers come down and how quickly transmissions are being reduced can we really conclude anything about what happens next and when these measures can be relaxed.”

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Another Good Article on Sweden
Date:	4/15/2020 8:26:08 AM

Once again, relying on percentages based on confirmed cases is a faulty method.  To use those numbers you would need to determine whether Sweden tests as many people on a per capita basis as the other countries.  But again, I suggest you look at shape of the bell curve and stop fixating on the numbers.  So far Sweden's bell curve more closely resembles the U.S. and other countries with more extreme measures versus guidelines.  We will see how it all ends up.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	MM see GOOF-IDIOT above.....
Date:	4/15/2020 10:23:13 AM

Well in this case he shot himself in the foot given that Sweden seems to have a higher mortality rate than other countries without universal health care systems.  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	MM see GOOF-IDIOT above.....
Date:	4/15/2020 11:40:05 AM

I know.  Notice my comment in my post at 10:33 yesterday 4/14.  The best term:  “mediocre health care wise“ applies to all universal health care countries.  Ever wonder why so many of the best doctors in the US speak with a funny accent.....they get the hell out of universal welfare medicine countries.  GOOF can’t read or reason, all he does is post what he is told to do....

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	bigot-WIX is on a roll LOLLLLLL
Date:	4/15/2020 6:10:00 PM (updated 4/15/2020 6:12:10 PM)

I am posting about universal healthcare based on what one would expect. Just like you, I don't have all the answers. Too bad, you read with blinders.

But then again, bigots are bigots because they wear blinders.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	bigot-WIX is on a roll LOLLLLLL
Date:	4/16/2020 12:19:55 PM (updated 4/16/2020 12:20:51 PM)

You have complained the entire time that Trump and government entities failed to "protect" us from COVID-19 and bitched about every effort - so they should be fully in charge or all healthcare?  And you claim Wix is wearing the blinders..