Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	nancie
Date:	5/19/2020 10:20:14 AM (updated 5/19/2020 10:23:52 AM)

since shes so worried about Donald taking the meds in his "obese condition", her priest should tell her tp "pray harder" for him as she claims she does daily; however i doubt her prayers concern his continued good health

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	nancie
Date:	5/19/2020 2:22:49 PM

Personally, regardless of his weight or BMI, I think he is crazy taking a medicine that is not medically called for.  If his Dr. told him he can take it if he wants to, he better hope that his Dr. actually likes him.  I mean, it is his body and his choice, but why would you take a medicine when you don't have any of the conditions that it treats?  

I think both he and Nancy should refrain from personal insults via the press.  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/19/2020 7:04:38 PM

Is widely used and prescribed by most first responders because of its preventive properties along with zinc.  So hold those thoughts and let's talk after the studies are completed. The VA study was bogus especially since it was used for inpatient (too late) with the zinc.  Finally they used the zpak on patients with cardiac issues.  

fda has already allowed it to be prescribed by docs for COVID with precautions that are cited for malaria.  More European studies have shown effectiveness when part of a cocktail including zinc and cpack.  Stay tuned but I would use it if I worked as an RN in intensive care. Also review the German study results from autopsies on lungs that weighed three times the normal weight due to blood clots.  Ventilators are useless.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/19/2020 9:23:06 PM

The concern is the side effects.  It can cause heart issues, if there are any underlying heart issures to start with.  I don't care if he takes it - I am sure he is freaking out that someone in his office came down with COVID, as Trump is a known germaphobe.  Before he became a politician, he didn't like to shake hands with people.  It has been prescribed for some people with COVID- but Trump doesn't have COVID- when they decided any potential risks were outweighed by the chance it might work.  It will block certain aspects of the virus, but there has not been a large enough peer review study, to say definitively that it works.  It's success combined with other medicine is antedotal.  But I would ask you this - it has not been shown to prevent COVID, so why would you risk taking it if you DON"T HAVE COVID?  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 9:44:30 AM

Well, my wife has been taking the malaria drug for over a decade for autoimmune issues.  This medication has not heart warnings.  The issues was the zpac that is prescribed with zinc when positive for COVID.  The media has misled the public on this issue since the cocktail in France was highly successful in early phases of the COVID illness.  

the bungled test by VA and NY was using in hospitalized ultra sick patients who already had heart issues or obesity, diabetes and high untreated blood pressure.  And research is now showing that deaths also involved severe vitamin D deficiency for both adults and kids.

sunshine and supplements are the main preventatives!  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 10:12:52 AM

Taking my vitamin D and Zicam daily as a preventative measure (in addition to my usual regimen of multi-vitamins).  Don't plan to take the hdroxycloroquine unless I get infected.  If I do, I will certainly ask my doctor about it.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 11:44:27 AM

Anytime someone touts Hydro.... as effective they say it is ANECDOTAL

Well, I am ready for someone to say it has caused some heart problems and some scientist to say "That is ANECDOTAL"

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 12:37:23 PM

I don't believe in supplements.  I have Fibromyalgia and I found that what works best is a healthy diet and exercise and about 15 minutes of direct sunshine a day.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 12:44:10 PM

I don't personally believe in taking vitamins, however, it makes sense that if you came down with COVID (which I hope you don't) to ask your Dr. about the best treatment for you.  If he thinks that drug would work for you, then by all means take it.  

My biggest point is that it has not shown to prevent the virus - otherwise they wouldn't be working so hard to come up with a vaccine.  

I really don't understand why Trump is so invested in this one medication.  Don't you think that if it was the "game changer" that Trump claims, Drs. would be prescribing it for everyone?  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Don't you think that
Date:	5/20/2020 12:52:08 PM

it's been on the market long enough, for them to realize that it can cause heart issues in some patients, who already have a mild heart issue.   My question to you is this:

Do you want to take a chance that you are one of the ones who will have their heart affected?  Why is it so hard to believe it is not a miracle drug that Trump wants it to be for COVID?  

I have Fibromyalgia, and I periodically take Celebrex for the pain, to reduce the inflammation.  My Dr. prescribed it for me.  It can affect the heart over a period of time, so I only take it on an as needed basis.  Unless you have COVID and you need a hail Mary pass, why would you want to take it, when it hasn't been shown to prevent getting COVID?  

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Don't you think that
Date:	5/20/2020 1:20:37 PM

There are just too many cases out there where it has worked.  Many doctors (who are silenced as soon as they say something) have given it high marks. 

This is a MESS going on with our Doctors and Scientists and Politicians.  There is little reason to trust any

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 1:55:07 PM

I don't think he's taking it to prevent the disease.  He is taking it as a prophylactic to reduce the symptoms should he become infected.  I did this for malaria when I went to India a number of years ago.  I am guessing what they gave me was this medicine but its been awhile so I'm not sure.  But I know I took it at the advice of my doctor in case I got malaria while I was there.  Thankfully, I never did.  But apparently his doctor has no concerns about it or if he does I am sure they are monitoring him for any adverse side effects.  This medicine is prescribed 5 million times a year world wide.

Trump has been all over any treatment regimen that seems to have positive results and for good reason.  He knows full well that the chances of having a vaccine by the next flu season is not all that great.  SARS took 21 months which was a record.  Fortunately it didn't come back in the fall.  And there are many viruses that we've known about forever that we have never found an effective vaccine.  AIDS is one example.  So assuming it comes back in the fall like the Spanish Flu in 1918 and there is no vaccine we can avoid more economy crushing restrictions because of an effective treatment protocol.  That is far more likely than finding a vaccine in the short run.  Then we can focus restrictions on the elderly and those with co-morbidities that make them more susceptible to the virus and more likely to end up in the hospital or in ICU.

I think a better question is why the media is so fixated on a drug that is widely available, cheap to manufacture, has been used safely since 1955 for a variety of ailments and has been shown to be effective when combined with zinc, ZPAC, etc. other than they don't want to find a cheap and effective treatment so the crisis continues.  To me that is what is odd.  One would think they would cheer on such good news....but no, they fixate on lying about Trump telling people to drink Clorox.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 1:57:38 PM

I never did until I got older and in one of my physicals there were some vitamin deficiencies that were resolved by supplements.  I used to get leg cramps at night but they stopped when I started to take magnesium supplements.  I don't take many but my blood work since I began them has been excellent.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 2:18:41 PM

https://www.clorox.com/how-to/disinfecting-sanitizing/disaster-preparation-and-cleanup/disaster-preparedness-purifying-water/

Adding a few drops of clorox has always been a recommendation when city water is not to be trusted.  Their website even has recommendations on which bleach and how much to what to do to take whatever water you can get and make it where it should not make you sick or as sick as drinking properly treated water.

The recommendations should stop a virus what is in the water you are about to drink, but not effective just to be drinking it and then going around licking the door knobs at the gas station.  There is a reason there is a label on your hair dryer not to use it in the bathtub and it probably was some idiot who felt that since he was not told not to do something then it has to be perfectly safe.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Don't you think that
Date:	5/20/2020 3:42:57 PM

I have not seen any statistical data that indicates that it works.  Like everyone else, all I have ever heard is some antedotal stories about it working in some people in combination with other drugs, in a hospital setting.  If I am deathly ill, I will likely not be given a choice about medicines that my Drs give me.  They will decide for me.  Most of the time it has been used, or at least from my reading, its been on someone who was sick enough to die and it was a hail mary effort.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	P.S.
Date:	5/20/2020 3:46:44 PM

I do agree that it is a MESS between Drs. and politicians, but given the choice when it comes to my health, I'm going to go with the Drs.  

And when the vaccine comes out, I will not be first in line to get it.  It's being rushed into development to meet some mythical date that politicians decided on, not Drs. or scientists.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	P.S.
Date:	5/20/2020 4:03:02 PM

I suspect that by the time a vaccine is approved it will have gone through human test trials to measure its effectiveness and safety.  Hence, it won't be available until after next fall's flu season.  I keep saying they need to focus on effective treatment so if it does come back in the fall and winter it won't be the disaster it has been this time around. 

The problem is that you have idiots in government and the media saying we can't open the economy until we have a vaccine.  That is absurd and moving the goalposts to an unrealistic place.  Focus on effective treatment and let the vaccine studies happen the way they should.  And I totally agree with you on being first in line for the vaccine.  I'll take a wait and see attitude.....whether it is effective and safe.  As it is I don't usually get the current flu vaccine.  It really only addresses prior year strains.  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 4:03:03 PM

MM I think you answered your own question. Generic, cheap and the RX companies want it fail based on greed.  

there numerous studies going on to finally answer the questions about effectiveness for inpatients, outpatient and as a preventative for medical folks.  All meet the establishments requirements. 

vitamin D seems to be key to prevent deaths from COVID.  Sunshine only provides D during the summer, you have to supplement in the winter.  Why not test that?  It's cheap!  

finally if you look at Germany COVID death autopsy data (required in Germany) the lungs weigh 3-4 times normal due to thrombosis (blood clots).  Ventilators are useless and actually probably worse.  

(bet if you ask Inpatient docs and RNs  if they are taking the malaria drug with zinc, they will tell they are)

morale, get sunshine in summer, supplement daily with D 400 units, especially if you are a senior like me.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 4:05:10 PM

It's worse than just the drug companies.....we have politicians and the media wanting it to fail to inflict as much damage on the economy as possible for as long as possible.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 4:07:54 PM

The reason you took anti-milarial drugs, and probably a shot for Yellow Fever and perhaps Dengue Fever and cholera is to allow your body to make anti-bodies to fight off these diseases against which you have no natural immunity.  They don't cure the diseases, they just allow you body to fight them off.  You usually have to take them 2 weeks before you go, to allow time to work within your body. (as you can tell, I have been through this on trips to Pakistan and other savory locations).

I have not read anywhere that Hydro is helping anyone develop antibodies against COVID.  If it were drug companies that were claiming it ineffective as a preventative, I would be skeptical.  But a host of Drs, scientists and researchers are saying that we need a vaccine.  If any one of them had through Hydro was a cure or a dependable preventive medicine, don't you think they would love the opportunity to save global health with an already proven drug?  

I personally think the reason that Trump is taking the medicine, is because he touted it as a game changer - and if he doesn't get COVID, for any reason, he'll be claiming he was right.  You have to admit that he doesn't like to be wrong about anything.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	5/20/2020 4:11:46 PM

Bleach is a disinfectant.  I've never heard of using bleach to purify water to make it potable.  The only thing I have evere known to make water drinkable is boiling it.  Every damn 3rd world country I have been to, they gave me boiled water for my room, not bleach water.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 4:14:25 PM

You do realize that too much Vitamin D supplement will damage your kidneys.  That's why supplements are dangerous.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know MM
Date:	5/20/2020 4:19:42 PM

I think you are taking this a bit too far.  In the beginning, yeah, maybe Dems weren't unhappy to see the economy taken down a peg, but I don't think anyone wants to see the economy crash and burn.  Even the most ardent of Trump haters, don't want to see the economy taken down to this level and with high unemployment.  If for no other reason than it takes people's mind off of politics in an election year.  But don't you think Trump is sweating it too?  You know he is and right now, I don't trust him any more than I trust the Democrats.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	There are many reasons
Date:	5/20/2020 4:24:49 PM

The RX companies want it to fail, the swamp wants/needs it to fail, the politicians need it to fail.  They do not care that it might save the world.

the French studies shows it (the cocktail) worked on folks on an outpatient basis that were positive for corona.  But who believes French scientists.

so if you are a doubting Thomas the results for the studies I referenced will be out soon (fall).  If they are failing that will come out by October I assure you!

no it does create antibodies for malaria either.  Or autoimmune illness but it stop what wife's doctor referred to future lupus.  She believes and I do too but never been proven in an autoimmune study.  Wonder why?  Her doctor tells her of many people who thought they had corona and did great on the cocktail.  

greed and power have seriously defiled our society.  

vitamin D works but you got to supplement in Winter.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	There are many reasons
Date:	5/20/2020 4:44:51 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to believe that the entire global health care is corrupt.  If it is not a peer reviewed study, with a substantial statistical size, and a control group, it is likely not worth the paper it is written on, and you have to look at who funded it, if it is actually a study and not just a grouping of antedotal events.  As I understand it, the French studies did not have a control group to compare those that got the drug vs. those that didn't, and it was very small.  But we'll see what the medical community has to say when it is published this Fall.  

I glad your wife's Drs. believe that the medication will work for her in potentially preventing an advance in her illness.  But more than likely, they are trying it to see if it works for her.  I have fibro, which they believe is auto-immune related.  I take Cymbalta, which is actually an anti-depressant that seems to help some Fibro patients.  It's not a cure, but believed to help to prevent inflammation.  But they don't really know why it works, because they don't really understand Fibro and what causes it.  IT works somewhat for me, and I occassionally also take Celebrex to help with the inflammation when I am having a bad day.  

My Dr has me take presciption D for a couple of month every year, because I have been known to get low, and they worry that lack of D may also cause the fibro flares.  But he has never once suggested that I take off the shelf D.  Supplements are a mulit-million dollar business in this country, with no oversight and people guessing at what they might need, some of which are dangerous and can cause illness.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Don't you think that
Date:	5/20/2020 4:54:29 PM (updated 5/20/2020 5:00:50 PM)

Maybe I just read the wrong reports on the internet and listen to the wrong doctors.  As i see more of these I will make a note of them and build a list.  But I have heard doctors from France, Texas, California and other places praise the drug, and they emphasize its safety, as it has been around since Moses.  Sure, any drug in the world can cause other issues, as each individual will respond differently. But the drug has been used for Malaria and Lupus for years, the drug has been used for other Off items, and the drug is being used extensively for treatment of CoronaVirus cases, in all stages.

Given certain issues that the virus creates I have even heard that the Hydro drug helps with prevention of some of those issues.  Again I do not remember everything I read or where it came from.  But as my wife will tell you, the first thing I ask on new info is WHERE DID IT COME FROM and CAN WE TRUST IT?  She gets a little perturbed at me at times because I know reseach methodology and will not reside in data that I cannot trace, or at least feel confident about.

One article recently was in One News Now, which I was not familar with.  It quoted items from Virology Journal, which is NIH publication.  I am still researching this.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 4:57:30 PM

Which is why I am taking the exact amount suggested by my doctor and my Vitamin D levels are on target.  Honestly Hound, you act like we're all a bunch of idiots.  My D levels were low, the dose I take put them back where they should be.  Simple as that.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/20/2020 5:05:24 PM

That is completely wrong.  No treatment of a disease creates anti-bodies.  Only two things do that: 1) getting the disease; or 2) a vaccine. While there is a vaccine for malaria it apparently has low efficacy.

The drugs like hyrdroxychloroquine are there to treat the symptoms.  I had this conversation with the doctor and he suggested taking the drug so that if I did in fact contract malaria it would lessen the symptoms and speed my recovery.  I also had DEET with me and used it to repel mosquitoes. 

And yes, Trump doesn't like to be wrong....not sure I know anyone that does (although left wing types sure seem to given their views).  Do you like to be wrong?  I know I don't.  And politicians in particular don't like to be wrong.  Trump is hardly unique.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know MM
Date:	5/20/2020 5:09:48 PM

Maybe I am but tell me, what explains the dramatically different approaches taken by Democrat mayors and governors versus Republicans?  They sure aren't following the science or common sense nor do they seem to care about the adverse physical and mental health effects of the shut down.  And it seems to me less than coincidental that many of the states with the worst budget shortfalls preceding the shut down are also the most draconian and slowest to reopen while claiming the Feds need to bail them out.  Pardon my cynicism but I look at the facts as they are.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	5/20/2020 5:32:12 PM

You don't know evreything hound but sometimes you act like you think you do.  Just because you never heard of using bleach to disenfect water doesn't mean it isn't a fact.  Three drops per gallon is recommended for steriliazation and long term storage of even potable water.  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	There are many reasons
Date:	5/20/2020 5:51:02 PM

I hate to tell you that cymbalta is an antidepressant that can also help patients with psychosomatic symptoms like pain and fibromyalgia.  Never proven.  Sounds like you are walking contradiction.  Like I said the blood work showed that my wife was headed toward lupus levels but because she started the malaria drug 10-15 years ago her blood levels did not progress to lupus levels to this date.  

finally, you get no vitamin D after sun drops below 50 degrees in the fall and winter and the vitamin D levels in the spring and summer.  If you believe the science on that you should take D supplements in the off months.  Now why will virus go away in the summer and return in the fall and winter? 

the research is solid that most people who die with corona are Severely D deficient.  Also have high blood pressure, obese and diabetes, or other serious condition lake cardiovascular issues, etc.  

btw, I take cymbalta as does the wife for decades (whenever it came out) for the original purpose and plan to until death.  But is not been proven that it works for fibromyalgia (psychosomatic issues) correct me if I am wrong.

see ya.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	5/21/2020 7:20:34 AM

I can remember back long before Trump that some bleach was recommended for water storage for natural and unnatural disasters.  Just because you have never heard of it is not suprising.

I was simply passing on information regarding that I have known about for a long time.  I can remember people storing water for Y2K and the CDC guidlines https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/emergency/making-water-safe.html that adding bleach to long term stored water was recommended.

another site https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524690/ 

btw for those slow in the class and wanting to know my point - here are two government website that long before Trump indicated adding bleach to water was recommended -  which guess what that is called - ingesting bleach ( just diluted ).  

Twice in my life due to breakdowns of the city water systems it has been recommended to boil and in one case to also boil and add some bleach due to concerns.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	5/21/2020 7:21:30 AM

Glad to know someone else gets the point and reasons why.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Don't you think that
Date:	5/21/2020 9:14:18 AM

I just struggle to see the connection between Lupus, which is an auto-immune disease and malaria; and the COVID virus.  As I understand, it is being subjected to clinical trials right now to see how it affects the COVID.  But, I'm not an epidemiologist or even a scientist.  What has made me so suspicious of the drug as a "miracle drug" is when Trump - who is not a Dr. or a scientist - started touting it as a "game changer".  

Let's face it - if any of us (and I hope this doesn't happen) find ourselves in ICU and on a ventilator, we're going to get whatever drugs the Drs. will try to save our lives, and we won't be able to have a debate with a tube stuffed down our throats.  I have a feeling at the end of the day, there will be some very interesting conclusions to come out about responses to various treatments.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And your point?
Date:	5/21/2020 9:18:45 AM

Lifer, that is unfair - I am not trying to act like I know everything.  I'm just stating that I have never heard of potable water coming from putting bleach in it, in order to drink it.   Of course, like everyone else, I know about putting bleach in water to make a disinfecting solution for cleaning.  But I have never done any research, because frankly, having potable water to drink has never been an issue for me, and when it was, someone else was providing it.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	But I still don't get your point
Date:	5/21/2020 9:26:32 AM

Are you advocating for drinking "bleach" water ( for lack of a better term) as some sort of disinfecting process to your body?  That's why I'm not getting your point.  

I can see where adding a tiny bit of bleach to long term stored water would inhibit the growth of micro-organisms, depending on how the water was to be stored.  

But if the bleach is so effective in making potable water, why did they not recommend this to the people of Flint, Michigan after their water was found to be full of lead.  Would seem a lot cheaper to be handing out gallons of "bleached" water than to be providing bottled water.  And I know they were told to boil water for washing.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Why put chlorine in swimming pools
Date:	5/21/2020 9:30:35 AM

But don't get it in your mouth!  Lol.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know MM
Date:	5/21/2020 9:34:45 AM

I think it is all political.  Republican governors are hopeful of getting support and handouts from the Administration; and Democratic mayors and governors are hopeful of guilting the Administration to get handouts rom the Administration.  All politicians are hard wired to get what they think they can get from any situation, the words they use are just different.  

And MM, I know you like to tout your "fact based" opinions, but a lot depends on whose set of fact you are using.  At least admit that you are always going to side with Republicans.  I see that as part of the problem with our country right now - everything becomes political because in most cases now, there aren't really any "facts" and what you see presented as fact is still colored by political slant.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/21/2020 9:40:45 AM

That's okay as long as you are taking the amount recommended by Drs.  But there are a lot of people out there who decend on the vitamin aisle, put together their own combinations without any real idea of what level might be beneficial.  

I take precription D for part of the year, every year for my low D. But a lot of people don't see to realize that because vitamins and supplements are "natural",  it doesn't mean they can't tear your body up and do irreversible damage.  I'm not saying that is what you do, but it does happen. They are not controlled by the FDA and there are no real purity standards that they have to adhere to.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	There are many reasons
Date:	5/21/2020 9:54:08 AM

I can you that fibromyalgia is not psychosymatic.  The pain is real and can be incapacitating at times.  Just because there isn't a specific test for it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Mine mostly stays under control, but I do get flares when the weather is very damp, very humid or we get fronts coming in.  I regularly see a rhumatologist and they will tell you that fibro is real.  I could write you a book about it, but sufffice to say that I have found it feels better when I stick to a healthy diet and take the Cymbalta.  I've been on Cymbalta now for about 17 years.  I've been offered Lyrica too, but I don't need to have two drugs in my system that cause weight gain.  

I believe I got fibro during a 5 year period when my Cortisol levels were off the chart due to stress.  At first, I thought it was my bones huring, but it is actually the nerves and the pain seems to vibrate off the bones.  I get weird bouts of inflammation.  If only it were psycosymatic - I would be standing on the psychiatrists door step waiting to be treated.  

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/21/2020 11:32:40 AM

NOBODY said it would remove heavy metals from water!  Obviuosly you aren't a scientist or even a reasonably imformed layman according to this post.  BUT IT WILL ABSOLUTELY KILL LIVE PATHEGENS IN WATER. Yo do know the deffernce between heavy metals and pathaogens dont you .  Even not demand a refund on those college degrees.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Hope y’all know that this drug
Date:	5/21/2020 11:35:26 AM

If you aver take vitamens and supplemnts about all you get is very expensive urine.  Your body takes what it needsd and excreets the rest with a few exceptions.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know MM
Date:	5/21/2020 11:40:20 AM

No doubt about my political slant, but that doesn't change the facts.  They are independent of party affiliation.  However, what you conclude from them could indeed be different based on your political perspective.  But facts are just that, facts. 

In my opinion, all the state and local governments are hoping for and are getting assistance from the Federal government and rightly so.  Unlike the Feds, they cannot print money.  They have to either tax it or borrow it.  But I do think that there are a number of states and cities that are hoping to use this crisis and the Federal honey pot to alleviate their disastrous budget shortfalls that existed before the pandemic and will exist long after its over.  And those shortfalls are caused by bad political decisionmaking that may help their electoral prospects but at the expense of current and future taxpayers.  And I do believe that it is factually correct that the vast majority of those with the worst budgetary shortalls, particularly with underfunded pension plans, are today and have long been controlled by Democrats.  If someone has facts that show otherwise I am open to seeing them and changing my opinion.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Totally agree with you
Date:	5/21/2020 11:42:41 AM

I have some friends that take a huge number of every supplement known to man and I shake my head.  Mine are driven by blood tests and any deficiencies they find.  Am also careful to investigate the manufacturer and only use reputable ones.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	But I still don't get your point
Date:	5/21/2020 11:55:46 AM

What in the HELL is bleach going to do with lead and heavy metals ???  I am ashamed you actually typed that as a fellow human being.

Bleach has antiviral and bacterial properties for storage - you could drink it ( ingest ) without harm if you dilute properly. As I also said in the OP was that no I would not recommend drinking bleach water and licking door handles at your local 7-11 or Walmart.

I am pointing out that everyone has been bashing Trump over the whole OMG he said go chug bleach BS, I am pointing out that it could be used if needed for water or even a mouth rinse and spit if you wanted to clean your mouth out which I have also heard of reasons to do that too.

https://www.rdhmag.com/career-profession/students/article/16405262/an-update-on-bleach-swishing-reviewing-the-literature-on-diluted-bleach-rinsing

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Don't you think that
Date:	5/21/2020 11:56:09 AM

The connection would be the drug used to treat it.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/21/2020 11:57:41 AM

Lifer beat me to it - had not read your response before I also responded.  SMH.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Understood
Date:	5/21/2020 12:27:12 PM

I was not implying that your pain is not real and psychosomatic conditions are real.  Probably designed to categorize for unexplained symptoms.  Symbalta is commonly used for unexplained pain even though no research so off label.  My point is there are drugs approved for an illness many times used by docs for other conditions.  This elite thinking of American scientists that only they know best would never be able to treat us humans in the real world.

so let's revisit this when those current studies conclude before we throw Donald under the bus.  I pray this cocktail of meds will become standard protocol once a person is tested positive for COVID like TAmaflu is for the usual flu.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Sorry MM
Date:	5/21/2020 7:18:38 PM

But you are wrong - that is why you get the shots and medications - to allow your body to develop anti-bodies to keep you from getting sick. It is preventive.   But you go ahead and believe whatever you want. I don't care

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/21/2020 7:20:29 PM

Obviously, you have never been to college.  But that's okay.  It's all good, I assure you.  If you get a good feeling calling me dumb, well then good for you.  It doesn't effect me either way.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/21/2020 7:22:14 PM

You too Phil!  If you get a thrill calling me dumb, go right ahead.  Doesn't bother me a bit.  I don't care what you think.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Well
Date:	5/21/2020 7:24:33 PM

I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks so much for enlightening me with information.  I bought some Clorox cleaners and bleach, so maybe I'll go have a swig - you know, just in case it works.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Where did you find Clorox wipes?
Date:	5/21/2020 7:29:17 PM

None at Wally World.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Dumb as dumb can be
Date:	5/21/2020 7:32:09 PM (updated 5/21/2020 8:21:45 PM)

Boy, the Right is on a roll jumping all over one of their own....The Hound is just expressing her views. You can agree or disagree but damn it is just an opinion. Some are so insecure they live on insults.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/21/2020 9:24:45 PM

Sorry to dissapoint but I do have one of those degree thingys. But I learned the difference betwween heavy metal and pathaogens back in like middle school.  Im not the one that suggested removing lead with bleach.  That was you.  Not your brightest moment.  YOu have a habit of digging in once you take a stand.  I admire that But that was an assinine comment.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	About which part?
Date:	5/22/2020 10:01:57 AM

Treatments are not vaccines or about the flu shot?  If you really think a treatment is a vaccince then I can't help you because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the human body works.  A vaccine or developing your own antibodies by having a disease are the only two ways to prevent getting it.  Treatments lessen the symptoms and in some cases can allow you to be asymptomatic.  This is like 8th grade science class stuff.

From the NIH website:

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe or its toxins. The agent stimulates the body’s immune system to recognize it as foreign, destroy it, and ”remember” it, so that the immune system can more easily identify and destroy any of these microorganisms that it encounters later."

"Antibiotics don’t work against viral infections such as colds or the flu. In those cases, antiviral drugs, which fight infection either by inhibiting a virus’s ability to reproduce or by strengthening the body’s immune response to the infection, are used. There are several different classes of drugs in the antiviral family, and each is used for specific kinds of viral infections. (Unlike antibacterial drugs, which may cover a wide spectrum of pathogens, antiviral medications are used to treat a narrower range of organisms.) Antiviral drugs are now available to treat a number of viruses, including influenza, HIV, herpes, and hepatitis B. Like bacteria, viruses mutate over time and develop resistance to antiviral drugs."

Note that antivirals don't prevent getting the disease, they reduce the symptoms by inhibiting viral growth or improving the immune system response.....treatment, not prevention.  And you accuse Trump of not liking to be wrong.

As for the flu shot I don't usually take it because I used to for a number of years and would still get the flu (mostly because I travel a lot).  When I complained to my doctor he told me that the shot is only for prior year strains, many of which don't come back on their own or people who got them are immune so they don't spread as readily.  It doesn't help with new strains that deveop regularly, you know, like the Wuhan virus.  But maybe you know more than my internist who's been practicing for probably 35 years.....I'll ask him when I have my physical in a couple of weeks.  He needs a good laugh.  When I retire and am no longer traveling so much for work I'll probably get the flu shot again.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/22/2020 10:19:36 AM (updated 5/22/2020 10:24:34 AM)

I did not call you dumb - but I would say your response to learning something new is to threaten to go sip some Clorox is exactly why many have been having to up the warning labels and not your finest moment.

Please make sure to read the one on your hair dryer.

All the knowledge about Clorox would also be considered an off label use, just as someone using it to clean a the kitchen - because it was created and designed for actually bleaching fabric.  Lord knows once created and put on the shelf you are not allowed to use something for an off label use ( much like HCQ being used for helping with Covid symptoms ) except people do it all the time.

have a few more https://www.clorox.com/how-to/hacks-crafts-diy/surprising-uses-for-clorox/?ds_rl=1238644&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2-qkjtbH6QIVhLLICh2m9g3iEAAYASABEgLIgvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Dumb as dumb can be
Date:	5/22/2020 10:20:03 AM

Or you the pot or kettle?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/22/2020 10:21:06 AM

Hey GFY - look over here you got any comments about those insults from Hound?  Kinda doubt it. Maybe it makes you both the pot and the kettle.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Bless Your Heart
Date:	5/22/2020 10:40:26 AM

Well, bless your heart, that was meant as a joke.  You remember humor - right?  ha, ha!?  

Honestly, y'all take yourselves so seriously - you must be a mensa member.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Bless Your Heart
Date:	5/22/2020 10:46:02 AM

awww sweetie dont be going all hating on humor - seems you cant seem to take any right back with your you and got no degrees, bless your heart and mensa.  

You have long passed humor with your hating.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/22/2020 10:47:08 AM

Now don't lie.  We both know you don't have a degree, bless your heart.  But it doesn't matter.  Life is good.  If you knew me, you would know that I don't dig in.  You are perfectly correct that there is a difference and I had a brain lapse of epic proportions.  But if it makes you feel better to call me dumb, instead of kindly pointing out the error of my brain, go for it.  I honestly don't take myself as seriously as you think I do.  But you clearly take yourself very seriously.  Just relax, have a great weekend.  It's all good.  

I'm going to enjoy my clorox cocktail now.  (and that would be a joke, okay?)

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Oh Phil
Date:	5/22/2020 10:50:39 AM

Calm down.  I'm too old to be hating on anything except the really bad stuff.  I'm telling you, it's all good.  Just relax and have a clorox cocktail and I'm sure you'll be fine.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Oh Phil
Date:	5/22/2020 10:53:33 AM

I have two degrees just like a lot of people on this forum.  I'm not special.  I had a neighbor in VA who was a mensa member - brilliant guy, but no common sense.  Life is what you make it.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	No Wipes
Date:	5/22/2020 11:02:36 AM

No wipes, this was the spray stuff that I got at Publix in Auburn.  I have one package of disinfecting wipes left and I almost hate to use them.  I could probably sell them on the street for at least $2.00 each.  LOL.  Life is strange at times.  And to think I gave an entire canister of wipes to my cleaning lady at the start of the pandemic, because she had an elderly client who couldn't find any and was panicking about it.  

But I was thrilled to find Clorox brand spray cleaner yesterday at Publix.  Until the Pandemic, I never realized how many cans of Lysol I had around in different places.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Oh Phil
Date:	5/22/2020 11:15:21 AM

I leave the clorox chugging to you sweetheart, hopefully your bathtub toast was not too shocking.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Oh Phil
Date:	5/22/2020 11:19:29 AM (updated 5/22/2020 11:24:31 AM)

Funny since I was not the one who called you dumb, but you were the one questing others degrees(and apparently still are).  I also knew a Mensa member at the office once, he used velcro tie shoes because he could not figure out how to tie them. After this thread, and your two degrees maybe you should put in your application because of all you have seem to have in common with your lack of common sense mensa patient.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	No Wipes
Date:	5/22/2020 11:23:42 AM

Last ones I saw was at Sams in Oxford - had the 4 pack - it was well into the Covid insta death, but probably 2-3 weeks ago so your mileage may vary.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	No it wasn't a joke
Date:	5/22/2020 1:38:00 PM

You are just trying to pass off a stupid remark as a joke.  And for the record, I did NOT call you dumb.  I said you made a dumb comment.  Even high IQ indivuals make stupid statements sometimes.  Going back to bleach making potable water I suggest you check soome 'outdoors' sites and look at the chlorine tablets that are sold everyday to hickers, campers and such so that they can purify water from creeks, streams, rivers or lakes.  Just because you never heard of it with both your college degrees does NOT make it so.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/22/2020 1:47:54 PM

Funny how you think you know me so well when ALL you know about me is what I post here.  

Now take that Masters degree and learn the english language.  Saying somene is calling you dumb just for pointing out you made a dumb comment is, well, dumb.  If I wanted to to call you dumb I woulda said something like Hey dumbass.  I didn't.  I just pointed out it was a dumb comment, so that just reflects on your insecurities, not me.  

Now lets look at the whole thread.  Here in this post from last night you admit it was a brain fart but at 10:40am today you posted in response to phil that it was a joke.  So which is it Hound?  Brain fart or joke?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What a dumb response.
Date:	5/22/2020 6:11:55 PM

Brain fart or joke? why not both at one time

Brain joke

joke fart

Brain forke

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Apples and Oranges
Date:	5/22/2020 6:15:36 PM

I admit I had a brain lapse about the heavy metal.  Then I made a joke about swigging some clorox cleaner.  That part was the joke. Phil went off on a tangent and I was trying to lighten things up.  I'm hardly the first person on this forum to make a dumb comment.  I think a lot of comments made here by a variety of people are dumb and ill-informed, but why call it out and make a big deal about it?  I just don't care that much - which is not to say I don't care when I'm wrong, it's just when other people make comments I consider dumb, I don't need to jump on it like it's a genade.  

So you are clear that you called my comment dumb, but didn't mean to call me dumb.  I'll accept that.  Honestly, R, it's all good.  Have a good weekend, really.  Be safe.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Apples and Oranges
Date:	5/22/2020 6:31:56 PM

I would love to know where my tangent was.  

In a thread about Trump/bleach/ingestion of bleach/off brand use of drugs I put forth an off label use of bleach that included ingestion at which point you indicated you did not understand the point, at which point I attempted to explain the off label use of bleach and made my point very well, at which point you decided that bleach could cure the heavy metal ills of the Flint Michigan water system, decided that someone did not have any post 12 grade education and that it would be funny to comment about drinking bleach based beverages for the fun of it to the point that if some might assume you were serious and not joking.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Apples and Oranges
Date:	5/22/2020 7:06:26 PM

No problem.  I have e great weekend planned, and it includes a trip to Goat Island...lol.  I understand now what you were talking about when you claimed to be joking.  I truly believe that was a joke.  

I still think you and many others are overreacting to this whole situation.  The mortality rate seems to be less than 1% of those infected but with the reaction you would think it had a less than 1% survival rate.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Apples and Oranges
Date:	5/22/2020 7:20:02 PM

Yes her elitism comes through from time to time but you should have around when she first came on the forum many years ago, it was insufferable then, but still not as bad who she replaced. I find myself  in agreement with her more and more as the D.C. swamp leaves her. I still disagree with her a LOT, but I think she is a good person, unlike the two liberals that waste so much bandwidth with their drivel and attacks on all things Conservative/Republican/anyone who disagrees with them.

Many folks seem to think  a degree defines them.  I know some educated idiots, trust me.  An example, a former neighbor who holds a PHD, asks me to teach her tio drive her pontoon boat after her husband passed.  She comes to the boat with a note pad.  Dutifully takes notes including to untie the boat.  Three lessons in she still couldn't grasp the sequence of events to get her boat cranked and out of the boat house.  Educated indeed.