Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Well Carlson
Date:	5/27/2020 9:54:43 PM

I believe you made me aware of all the ''good'' news about Hydroxychlorquine coming out of France.  Today France prohibited the use of the drug as a treatment for COVID 19...it was killing people.  Even Trump has stopped taking it.   Of course I'm sure ''Dr'' Trump is still injecting his lysol and will soon add Insulin to his regimen whether he needs it or not.  After all he is a ''very stable genius''.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	ARCH-IDIOT
Date:	5/28/2020 8:35:12 AM

This forum is reserved for sane, intelligent people.  Follow the rules.....

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Archie, this is where fake news comes from
Date:	5/28/2020 9:29:52 AM

The prohibition is for hospitalized patients were patients are seriously sick.  The French study involved the cocktail of three medications once tested positive on an Outpatient basis for 6 days only.  

trump took the medication for 6 days along with zinc as the protocol suggests.  Three are three studies due later this year, one of which will show if its success as a preventative for healthcare workers (which is being taken by hundreds of thousands doctors and nurses throughout the country.)

so I'll wait before saying you are correct.  But your post suggests that it doesn't work when prescribed incorrectly (inpatient) and/or without the other two meds in the cocktail, especially zinc.  Finally, if it is dangerous my wife would have been dead decades ago!  But enjoy spreading half baked truths.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	The bottom line is...
Date:	5/28/2020 8:10:17 PM (updated 5/28/2020 8:16:19 PM)

The French health agency now prohibits the use of Hydroxychloroquine as a treatment or part of a treatment regimen for Covid 19 because the unwanted and sometime fatal reactions and after effects of its use outweigh whatever positive impact it has shown on Covid 19.  I suspect at least a few of the 102,000 Americans who are dead today might still been alive had they not taken Trump's wonder drug. 

BTW:  Is your wife taking it for Covid 19?  I hope it is working for her and of course it is still prescribed worldwide including in France as a treatment and/or preventative for ailments for which it has proved through clinical trials and then years of use to be effective.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Archie, you would not believe me
Date:	5/28/2020 9:23:35 PM

If I told you.  Let's just say that my wife held off lupus after beginning off label placquile.  

but to your point, IF France has prohibited it, it does not address the outpatient use of the cocktail of three medications.  If you think it's true, post a link, otherwise wait for the studies in the USA to report and then gloat supporting your TDS!  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Archie, you would not believe me
Date:	5/28/2020 9:37:05 PM

I found it!  The French government on Wednesday canceled a decree allowing hospital doctors to administer hydroxychloroquine as a treatment to patients suffering severe forms of COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.

Hospital doctor for severe forms of coronavirus!  Wow just fake news and you know it.  Now that's a new low for you!  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Archie, you would not believe me
Date:	5/29/2020 9:43:58 AM

WTF is any government doing getting between a doctor and a patient.  Hell I thought doctors knew better then most politicans ( or at least I seem to recall antifatech spouting krap about how Dr Trump should shut the hell up and let the people who know better speak ) but in this case he applauds the French government telling doctors that even if you think it would help your patient we will deny you the use of a drug because an actual doctor has to know less then a politican with maybe a law degree or less.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Whaaaa...Seems to me you just proved my point
Date:	5/29/2020 10:30:57 AM (updated 5/29/2020 10:39:47 AM)

Twice...1/  Your wife is taking it for Lupus not Covid.  Good for her!  Lupus is a problem for which it has long been used with international approval. And 2/  France has stopped using it for treatment of severe Covid because it wasn't working and was in fact doing harm.

On what planet is that fake news? You seem to be hanging your hat on the part that ''doctors'' can no longer use the stuff...well, doctors are the only group that the French authorities have jurisdiction over.  If you and Der Groppenfuherer want to buy it online and chance it as a prevent-all/cure-all be my guest. But, if your doctor prescribes it you might want to check with the Alabama Secty of State License Boards.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	I know you’re not that dense
Date:	5/29/2020 12:03:30 PM

To understand they prohibit the use in hospitals for severe cases.  But the French government has not prohibited its use in outpatient settings for tested or suspected cases of COVID.  The French study that showed effectiveness included a cocktail of three meds for a period of 6 days much like treating a bacterial illness for a short period of time.  

my wife's doctor prescribes it for autoimmune issues not defined based on what he feels is effective and has proven itself by way of bloodwork to be effective in arresting a progressive illness.  But it is an off label use.  it is not illegal for him to do this and in fact many drugs are prescribed used off label.  

but your TDS will simply not allow you to comprehend this very easy concept.  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Epidemiology Journal endorses use of
Date:	5/29/2020 3:25:49 PM

prestigious medical journal is criticizing news media coverage of hydroxychlorioquine in the battle against coronavirus, saying there is evidence the anti-malarial drug combined with the antibiotic azithromycin helps in the early stages of outpatient treatment.

"These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe," the American Journal of Epidemiology reported in an article published this week that pushed back against claims the regimen has been dangerous or ineffective in all cases.

"Hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reports and public media, and outpatient trials results are not expected until September," the journal noted, urging medical professionals and the public to recognize there are different stages of the disease that may require different treatments.

The article said the two candidate medications which have been widely reported - remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin -- need to be looked at differently.  

"Remdesivir has shown mild effectiveness in hospitalized inpatients, but no trials have been registered in outpatients," it said.

Meanwhile, the regimen with hydroxychloroquine has been the subject of five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, that "have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy."

The article noted that while there have been some instances of the drug regimen creating heart arrhythmias, the reactions are relatively small compared to those dying from COVID-19.

"Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week." the journal said.

The most compelling argument, the journal said, is how hydroxycholoroquine plus azithromycin reduces the rate of mortality. 

Below are the percentages of doctors prescribing the hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin regimen to COVID-19 patients across the globe: 

• 72% in Spain;
• 49% in Italy; 
• 41% in Brazil; 
• 39% in Mexico; 
• 28% in France; 
• 23% in the US; 
• 17% in Germany; 
• 16% in Canada;
• 13% in the UK;

And at four New York hospitals, a recent study found that adding zinc sulfate with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin significantly cuts both the need for intubation and mortality risks by half, researchers said.