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Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Grifter in Chief
Date:   4/4/2021 2:12:35 PM (updated 4/4/2021 2:18:34 PM)

Based on Federal Election Commission filings in March and again in June 2020 the Donald Trump campaign sent emails requesting contributions.  The solicitation included a box marked "make this a monthly recurring contribution''.  Not unusual, except the box was pre-checked as a ''yes'' and the contributors had to physically opt out if they did not want the contribution to be repeated every month.  Along comes september and another email solicitation was sent with the same pre-checked recurring contribution box, except in this rendition it was for a weekly charge to your credit card or debit account.  Among the contributors was an elderly terminally ill cancer patient who was in hospice care who gave $500, half of his monthly income, and before they were stopped the involuntary payments had gone to $3000 which caused him to have to deal with  bounced checks and a locked down bank acct. as well.

The campaign has agreed to refund $123,000 (11% of their contributions)!  I have no idea if it is illegal but does even the most ardent Trump supporter think it is OK for the president of the United States to permit this to be done in his name?





Name:   Lighthouse - Email Member
Subject:   Grifter in Chief
Date:   4/5/2021 10:05:52 AM

Can you say where you obtained this info??





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Article
Date:   4/5/2021 10:43:42 AM

Here is one of many articles describing the scam.

From NY Times 

 

Online donors were guided into weekly recurring contributions.

Demands for refunds spiked. Complaints to banks and credit

card companies soared. But the money helped keep Donald

Trump’s struggling campaign afloat.

By Shane Goldmacher

April 3, 2021

Stacy Blatt was in hospice care last September listening to Rush

Limbaugh’s dire warnings about how badly Donald J. Trump’s

campaign needed money when he went online and chipped in

everything he could: $500.

It was a big sum for a 63-year-old battling cancer and living in

Kansas City on less than $1,000 per month. But that single

contribution — federal records show it was his first ever — quickly

multiplied. Another $500 was withdrawn the next day, then $500

the next week and every week through mid-October, without his

knowledge — until Mr. Blatt’s bank account had been depleted and

frozen. When his utility and rent payments bounced, he called his

brother, Russell, for help.

What the Blatts soon discovered was $3,000 in withdrawals by the

Trump campaign in less than 30 days. They called their bank and

said they thought they were victims of fraud.

“It felt,” Russell said, “like it was a scam.”

But what the Blatts believed was duplicity was actually an

intentional scheme to boost revenues by the Trump campaign and

the for-profit company that processed its online donations,

WinRed. Facing a cash crunch and getting badly outspent by the

Democrats, the campaign had begun last September to set up

recurring donations by default for online donors, for every week

until the election.

 

Contributors had to wade through a fine-print disclaimer and

manually uncheck a box to opt out.

As the election neared, the Trump team made that disclaimer

increasingly opaque, an investigation by The New York Times

showed. It introduced a second prechecked box, known internally

as a “money bomb,” that doubled a person’s contribution.

Eventually its solicitations featured lines of text in bold and capital

letters that overwhelmed the opt-out language.

 

The tactic ensnared scores of unsuspecting Trump loyalists —

retirees, military veterans, nurses and even experienced political

operatives. Soon, banks and credit card companies were inundated

with fraud complaints from the president’s own supporters about

donations they had not intended to make, sometimes for thousands

of dollars.

“Bandits!” said Victor Amelino, a 78-year-old Californian, who

made a $990 online donation to Mr. Trump in early September via

WinRed. It recurred seven more times — adding up to almost

$8,000. “I’m retired. I can’t afford to pay all that damn money.”

The sheer magnitude of the money involved is staggering for

politics. In the final two and a half months of 2020, the Trump

campaign, the Republican National Committee and their shared

accounts issued more than 530,000 refunds worth $64.3 million to

online donors. All campaigns make refunds for various reasons,

including to people who give more than the legal limit. But the sum

the Trump operation refunded dwarfed that of Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s

campaign and his equivalent Democratic committees, which made

37,000 online refunds totaling $5.6 million in that time.

The recurring donations swelled Mr. Trump’s treasury in

September and October, just as his finances were deteriorating. He

was then able to use tens of millions of dollars he raised after the

election, under the guise of fighting his unfounded fraud claims, to

 

In effect, the money that Mr. Trump eventually had to refund

amounted to an interest-free loan from unwitting supporters at the

most important juncture of the 2020 race.

Marketers have long used ruses like prechecked boxes to steer

American consumers into unwanted purchases, like magazine

subscriptions. But consumer advocates said deploying the practice

on voters in the heat of a presidential campaign — at such volume

and with withdrawals every week — had much more serious

ramifications.

“It’s unfair, it’s unethical and it’s inappropriate,” said Ira Rheingold,

the executive director of the National Association of Consumer

Advocates.

Harry Brignull, a user-experience designer in London who coined

the term “dark patterns” for manipulative digital marketing

practices, said the Trump team’s techniques were a classic of the

“deceptive design” genre.

“It should be in textbooks of what you shouldn’t do,” he said.

Political strategists, digital operatives and campaign finance

experts said they could not recall ever seeing refunds at such a

scale. Mr. Trump, the R.N.C. and their shared accounts refunded

far more money to online donors in the last election cycle than

every federal Democratic candidate and committee in the country

combined.

 

Over all, the Trump operation refunded 10.7 percent of the money it

raised on WinRed in 2020; the Biden operation’s refund rate on

ActBlue, the parallel Democratic online donation-processing

platform, was 2.2 percent, federal records show.

How Refunds to Trump Donors Soared in 2020

Refunds are shown as the percentage of money received by each operation to date via

WinRed and ActBlue.

Note: Donations and refunds to former President Donald J. Trump include those made via WinRed

for the following organizations: Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., Trump Victory, Trump Make

America Great Again Committee, Save America, and the Republican National Committee. Donations

and refunds to President Biden include those made via ActBlue for the following groups: Biden for

President, Biden Victory Fund, Biden Action Fund, Biden Fight Fund, and the Democratic National

Committee. • Source: WinRed and ActBlue • By Eleanor Lutz and Rachel Shorey

Several bank representatives who fielded fraud claims directly

from consumers estimated that WinRed cases, at their peak,

represented as much as 1 to 3 percent of their workload. An

executive for one of the nation’s larger credit-card issuers

confirmed that WinRed at its height accounted for a similar

percentage of its formal disputes.

That figure may seem small at first glance, but financial experts

said it was a shockingly large percentage, considering that political

donations represent a tiny fraction of the overall United States

economy.

In its investigation, The Times reviewed filings with the Federal

Election Commission from the Trump and Biden campaigns and

their shared accounts with political parties, as well as the donationprocessing

sites ActBlue and WinRed, compiling a database of

refunds issued by day. The Times also interviewed two dozen

Trump donors who made recurring donations, as well as campaign

officials, campaign finance experts and consumer advocates.

Nearly a dozen bank and credit card officials from the nation’s

leading financial institutions spoke for this article on the condition

of anonymity to discuss internal matters.

A clear pattern emerged. Donors typically said they intended to

give once or twice and only later discovered on their bank

statements and credit card bills that they were donating over and

over again. Some, like Mr. Blatt, who died of cancer in February,

sought an injunction from their banks and credit cards. Others

pursued refunds directly from WinRed, which typically granted

them to avoid more costly formal disputes.

WinRed said that every donor receives at least one follow-up email

about pending repeat donations in advance and that the company

makes it “exceptionally easy,” with 24-hour customer service, for

people to request their money back. “WinRed wants donors to be

happy, and puts a premium on customer support,” said Gerrit

Lansing, WinRed’s president. “Donors are the lifeblood of G.O.P.

campaigns.” He noted that Democrats and ActBlue had also used

recurring programs.

Jason Miller, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, downplayed the rash of

fraud complaints and the $122.7 million in total refunds issued by

the Trump operation. He said internal records showed that 0.87

percent of its WinRed transactions had been subject to formal

credit card disputes. “The fact we had a dispute rate of less than 1

percent of total donations despite raising more grass-roots money

than any campaign in history is remarkable,” he said.

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That still amounts to about 200,000 disputed transactions that Mr.

Miller said added up to $19.7 million.

“Our campaign was built by the hardworking men and women of

America,” Mr. Miller said, “and cherishing their investments was

paramount to anything else we did.”

Asked if Mr. Trump had been aware of his operation’s use of

recurring payments, the campaign did not respond.

Mr. Trump’s hyperaggressive fund-raising practices did not stop

once he lost the election. His campaign continued the weekly

withdrawals through prechecked boxes all the way through Dec. 14

as he raised tens of millions of dollars for his new political action

committee, Save America.

In March, Mr. Trump urged his followers to send their money to

him — and not to the traditional party apparatus — making plain

that he intends to remain the gravitational center of Republican

fund-raising online.

A small yellow box and a flood of fraud complaints

The small and bright yellow box popped up on Mr. Trump’s digital

donation portal around March 2020. The text was boldface, simple

and straightforward: “Make this a monthly recurring donation.”

The box came prefilled with a check mark.

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Even that was more aggressive than what the Biden campaign

would do in 2020. Biden officials said they rarely used prechecked

boxes to automatically have donations recur monthly or weekly;

the exception was on landing pages where advertisements and

emails had explicitly asked supporters to become repeat donors.

But for Mr. Trump, the prechecked monthly box was just the

beginning.

By June, the campaign and the R.N.C. were experimenting with a

second prechecked box, to default donors into making an additional

contribution — called the money bomb. An early test arrived in the

run-up to Mr. Trump’s birthday, June 14. The results were

tantalizing: That date, a seemingly random Sunday, became the

biggest day for online donations in the campaign’s history.

Ronna McDaniel, the R.N.C. chairwoman, crowed to Fox News

about the achievement without mentioning how exactly the party

had pulled it off. “Republicans are thinking smarter digitally,” she

said, and were poised to “outwork, outdo, and outmaneuver the

Democrats at every turn.”

The two prechecked yellow boxes would be a fixture for the rest of

the campaign. And so would a much larger volume of refunds.

Until then, the Biden and Trump operations had nearly identical

refund rates on WinRed and ActBlue in 2020: 2.18 percent for Mr.

Trump and 2.17 percent for Mr. Biden.

But from the day after Mr. Trump’s birthday through the rest of the

year, Mr. Biden’s refund rate remained nearly flat, at 2.24 percent,

while Mr. Trump’s soared to 12.29 percent.

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In early September — just after learning that it had been outraised

by the Biden operation in August by more than $150 million — the

Trump campaign became even more aggressive.

It changed the language in the first yellow box to withdraw

recurring donations every week instead of every month. Suddenly,

some contributors were unwittingly making as many as half a

dozen donations in 30 days: the intended contribution, the “money

bomb” and four more weekly withdrawals.

“You don’t realize it until after everything is already in motion,”

said Bruce Turner, 72, of Gilbert, Ariz., whose wife’s $1,000 donation

in early October became $6,000 by Election Day. They were

refunded $5,000 the week after the election, records show.

Around the same time, officials who fielded fraud claims at bank

and credit card companies noticed a surge in complaints against

the Trump campaign and WinRed.

“It started to go absolutely wild,” said one fraud investigator with

Wells Fargo. “It just became a pattern,” said another at Capital

One. A consumer representative for USAA, which primarily serves

military families, recalled an older veteran who discovered

repeated WinRed charges from donating to Mr. Trump only after

calling to have his balance read to him by phone.

The unintended payments busted credit card limits. Some donors

canceled their cards to avoid recurring payments. Others paid

overdraft fees to their bank.

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All the banking officials said they recalled only a negligible number

of complaints against ActBlue, the Democratic donation platform,

although there are online review sites that feature heated

complaints about unwanted charges and customer service.

The Trump operation was not done modifying the yellow boxes.

Soon, the fact that donations would be withdrawn weekly was

taken out of boldface type, according to archived versions of the

president’s website, and moved beneath other bold text.

As the campaign’s financial problems became increasingly acute,

the yellow boxes became dizzyingly more complex.

By October there were sometimes nine lines of boldface text —

with ALL-CAPS words sprinkled in — before the disclosure that

there would be weekly withdrawals. As many as eight more lines of

boldface text came before the second additional donation

disclaimer.

Even political professionals fell prey to the boxes.

Jeff Kropf, the executive director of the Oregon Capitol Watch

Foundation, a conservative group, said he had been “very careful”

to uncheck recurring boxes — yet he missed the “money bomb”

and got a second charge anyway.

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Recurring donations swelled former President Donald J. Trump’s campaign coffers in September and

October, just as his operation’s finances were deteriorating. Doug Mills/The New York Times

Russell Blatt’s brother, Stacy, who was a supporter of Mr. Trump, died of cancer in

February. Katie Currid for The New York Times

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“Until WinRed fixes their sneaky way of adding additional

contributions to credit cards like they did to me, I won’t use them

again,” he said.

Mr. Brignull, the user-experience designer who also serves as an

expert witness in legal cases involving misleading advertising,

noted that a Consumer Rights Directive in Europe prohibits

companies from deploying a defaulted opt-in tactic for recurring

payments.

“It is very easy for the eye to skip over,” he said. “The only really

meaningful information in that box is buried.”

The ‘Gary and Gerrit’ operation

By last summer, the Biden campaign had begun outraising Mr.

Trump’s team, and the president was hopping mad. For months,

years even, his advisers had been telling him how he had built a

one-of-a-kind financial juggernaut. So why, Mr. Trump demanded to

know, was he off the television airwaves just months before the

election in critical battleground states like Michigan?

“Where did all the money go?” he would lash out, according to two

senior advisers.

Inside the Trump re-election headquarters in Northern Virginia,

the pressure was building to wring ever more money out of his

supporters.

Perhaps nowhere was that pressure more acute than on Mr.

Trump’s expansive and lucrative digital operation. That was the

unquestioned domain of Gary Coby, a 30-something strategist

whose title — digital director — and microscopic public profile

belied his immense influence on the Trump operation, especially

online.

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A veteran of the R.N.C. and the 2016 race, Mr. Coby had the

confidence, trust and respect of Jared Kushner, the president’s sonin-

law, who unofficially oversaw the 2020 campaign, according to

people familiar with the campaign’s operations. Mr. Kushner and

the rest of the campaign leadership gave Mr. Coby, whose talents

are recognized across the Republican digital industry, wide latitude

to raise money however he saw fit.

That meant almost endless optimization and experimentation,

sometimes pushing the traditional boundaries. The Trump team

repeatedly used phantom donation matches and faux deadlines to

loosen donor wallets (“1000% offer: ACTIVATED…For the NEXT

HOUR”). Eventually it ratcheted up the volume of emails it sent

until it was barraging supporters with an average of 15 per day for

all of October and November 2020.

Mr. Coby, who declined an interview request for this article,

outlined his philosophical approach when offering advice to other

ambitious young strategists after he was named to the American

Association of Political Consultants’ “40 under 40” list in 2017:

“Asking for forgiveness is easier than permission.”

Mr. Coby’s partner in fund-raising was Mr. Lansing, the president

of WinRed, which had been created in 2019 as a centralized

platform for G.O.P. digital contributions after prominent

Republicans feared they were falling irreparably behind

Democrats and ActBlue.

The Trump and WinRed operations had been closely aligned since

the platform’s inception — Mr. Trump reportedly helped come up

with the firm’s name — and the president’s re-election operation

amounted to a majority of all of WinRed’s business last cycle, when

it processed more than $2 billion.

Inside the Trump orbit, “Gary and Gerrit” became something of a

shorthand term for Mr. Coby and Mr. Lansing, according to

multiple senior Trump campaign and White House officials.

The two strategists were already well acquainted: They had

worked together at the R.N.C. in 2016, when Mr. Lansing oversaw

its digital operations and Mr. Coby was the director of advertising.

And they were business partners in Opn Sesame, a text messaging

platform, which Mr. Lansing co-founded and served as chief

operating officer for; WinRed said he stepped away from its day-today

operations in early 2019.

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Top Trump officials said they did not know specifically who had

conceived of using the weekly recurring prechecked boxes — or

who had designed them in the increasingly complex blizzard of

text. But they said virtually all online fund-raising decisions were a

“Gary and Gerrit” production.

“The campaigns determine their own fund-raising strategies and

make their own decisions on how to use these tools,” Mr. Lansing

said in WinRed’s statement.

Unlike ActBlue, which is a nonprofit, WinRed is a for-profit

company. It makes its money by taking 30 cents of every donation,

plus 3.8 percent of the amount given. WinRed was paid more than

$118 million from federal committees the last election cycle; even

after paying credit card fees and expenses like payroll and rent, the

profits are believed to be significant.

WinRed even made money off donations that were refunded by

keeping the fees it charged on each transaction, a practice it said

was standard in the industry, citing PayPal; ActBlue said it does

not keep fees for refunded donations. WinRed’s cut of the Trump

operation’s refunds would amount to roughly $5 million before

expenses. (Archived versions of WinRed’s website show it added a

disclaimer saying it would keep its fees around when refunds

surged.)

There is another reason Mr. Trump’s refund rates were so high:

His campaign accepted millions of dollars above the legal cap, a

problem exacerbated by recurring donations. A pianist in New

York, for instance, contributed more than 100 times in the months

leading up to Election Day, going far past the legal limit of $2,800.

She was refunded $87,716.50 — three weeks after Election Day.

While every large-scale campaign winds up accepting and

returning some donations above the legal limit, including Mr.

Biden’s, the Trump situation stands out. Records show that Mr.

Biden’s campaign committee issued roughly $47,000 in refunds

larger than $5,000 after Election Day; Mr. Trump’s campaign

issued more than $7 million.

Trump officials attributed the excessive donations to enthusiastic

supporters and said the surge in postelection complaints was a

result of losing the election, not of the recurring donation tactics.

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The use of prechecked boxes is not unprecedented in politics, and

WinRed said it was simply adopting tactics that ActBlue put in

place years ago. ActBlue said in a statement that it had begun to

phase out prechecked recurring boxes “unless groups were

explicitly asking for recurring contributions.” Some prominent

Democratic groups, including both congressional campaign

committees, continue to precheck recurring boxes regardless of

that guidance. Still, Democratic refund rates were only a small

fraction of the Trump campaign’s last year.

Republicans widely hailed WinRed as one of the standout

successes of the 2020 cycle, and in a memo last October the

company declared itself the “trusted, recognizable platform” for

Republican giving. “Scam PACs, shady operators and outright

fraud is unfortunately a common occurrence in the online political

donation world — particularly on the right,” the memo stated.

“WinRed helps civilize the Wild West of the G.O.P. donation

ecosystem.”

But for some Trump supporters like Ron Wilson, WinRed is a scam

artist. Mr. Wilson, an 87-year-old retiree in Illinois, made a series of

small contributions last fall that he thought would add up to about

$200; by December, federal records show, WinRed and Mr. Trump’s

committees had withdrawn more than 70 separate donations from

Mr. Wilson worth roughly $2,300.

“Predatory!” Mr. Wilson said of WinRed. Like multiple other

donors interviewed, though, he held Mr. Trump himself blameless,

telling The Times, “I’m 100 percent loyal to Donald Trump.”

Trump was just the beginning

All told, the Trump and party operation raised $1.2 billion on

WinRed, and refunded roughly 10 percent of it.

Whatever blowback it received, WinRed was not deterred. Soon

after the November election ended, the two Republican Senate

incumbents in Georgia, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, deployed

prechecked weekly recurring boxes in advance of their January

runoffs.

Predictably, refund rates spiked.

Keith Millhouse, a transportation consultant in California, intended

to donate once to Mr. Perdue, with the aim of keeping Republicans

in control of the Senate. He wound up a recurring contributor and

called the practice “repugnant” and “deceptive.”

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“I’m busy like a lot of other people during this Covid era and I just

wanted to get in, make a donation, get done and move on to what I

needed to do next,” he said. “I thought I had done that. Then I find

out that, you know, I’m getting these other charges.”

He canceled the repeating charge when he saw the reminder email.

But by then WinRed had already processed his second $100

“bonus” contribution. He figured it was not worth the hassle to

protest. “Don’t try to sucker it out of me,” he said.

In the final 2020 reporting period, from Nov. 24 through the end of

the year, Mr. Perdue and Ms. Loeffler refunded $4.8 million to

WinRed donors — more than triple the amount refunded by their

Democratic rivals via ActBlue, even though the Democrats had

raised far more money online. The refunds have stretched into 2021

and have been a source of frustration for the Loeffler campaign,

according to a person familiar with the matter.

Now WinRed is exporting the tools it pioneered during the Trump

re-election across the Republican Party, presaging a new normal

for G.O.P. campaigns.

Today, the websites of various Republican Party committees and

top congressional Republicans, including Representative Kevin

McCarthy, the House minority leader, and Senator Mitch

McConnell, the Senate minority leader, include prechecked yellow

boxes for multiple or recurring donations.

And after Mr. Trump’s first public speech of his post-presidency at

the end of February, his new political operation sent its first text

message to supporters since he left the White House. “Did you

miss me?” he asked.

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The message directed supporters to a WinRed donation page with

two prechecked yellow boxes. Mr. Trump raised $3 million that day,

according to an adviser, with more to come from the recurring

donations in the months ahead.

Rachel Shorey contributed reporting and Kitty Bennett contributed research.

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Banks and credit card companies were inundated with fraud complaints last fall from the president’s

supporters about donations they had not intended to make. Doug Mills/The New York Times

Keith Millhouse wanted to make one donation to David Perdue, the Georgia Senate

candidate, but unwittingly made an extra donation. Jessica Pons for The New York Times

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Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   Article
Date:   4/5/2021 4:26:26 PM

How about 1 unbiased RELIABLE source.





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   This Should Make Lifer Feel Sooooo Much Better
Date:   4/5/2021 6:57:37 PM (updated 4/5/2021 6:58:32 PM)

I can understand your self denial with the excuse show me a reliable source. Trump's collection scam is really minuscule compared to the BIG picture. Here for your educated mind is a more detailed picture of the the BIG picture facing your beloved.

Bet Lifer can only read and cry that Trump and his boy Mattie may be sharing the same accommodation. Life ain't fair when you are a scam artist and get caught. His foundation was closed...why? SCAM.. His University was closed and had to pay $25 million...why? SCAM...It is in his DNA!!!

Lifer needs to refute this with facts...

Remember dude...refute it with facts like Archie so eloquently refutes CRD, MM, and YOU. 





Name:   lakngulf - Email Member
Subject:   This Should Make Lifer Feel Sooooo Much Better
Date:   4/5/2021 7:44:29 PM

If you're gonna equate Archie with facts we'll have to move this to the Jokes section





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   This Should Make Lifer Feel Sooooo Much Better
Date:   4/5/2021 8:01:05 PM (updated 4/5/2021 8:05:40 PM)

What does someone post when in denial???? Move it to the Jokes section. I bet even the Hound finds Archie factual and timely with his posts. Only those unable to comprehend his illustrative posts try to unfairly denigrate him. 

I bet you haven't given that much thought. Have you given much thought as to who will get the top bunk if both Donald and Matt share the same cell? Inquiring minds look forward to your opinion. Just as they look forward to words of wisdom from The Hound.





Name:   Lifer - Email Member
Subject:   This Should Make Lifer Feel Sooooo Much Better
Date:   4/5/2021 8:25:16 PM

That was so spot on becuase I laughed out loud when I read it.  I din't even click the link.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Basically everywhere
Date:   4/5/2021 10:53:46 PM (updated 4/5/2021 11:03:55 PM)

if you haven't heard it you aren't listening.  I believe even Fox has covered it.

Now, anybody want to guess how Trump came up with the refund dollars?  Remember those requests for contributions after the election to ''Fight the Steal''?  Contributions where the fine print made the disclaimer that only the largest contributions would go toward trying to overturn the election, the rest went to Trump to do with as he pleased.  How much did you send LH?

The guy has many sick and disgusting characteristics...being crooked as a snake is just one of them





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   Basically everywhere
Date:   4/6/2021 4:10:12 PM

I donated, as I frequently do to various campaigns, and did note the recurring contribution on my CC (one time) that I was unaware of when I contributed.  All it took was a simple either email or phone call to rectify.  Took less than 5 minutes.  No other charges.  One has to have a limited intelligence quotient not to have been aware of the recurring contribution and fixed it immediately.  Regarding your example of the individual in hospice, I would imagine that there would have been an overseer of that estate that handled all financial transactions.  That is how it is usually handled.  

Trump funded his entire 2016 campaign himself.  He owed no one any favors.  He was trying to fill the war chests of down ballot candidates because no one was donating to the rancid RNC. 





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   The DOC with blinders
Date:   4/6/2021 7:23:15 PM (updated 4/6/2021 7:30:54 PM)

I am shocked by you comment.

You are a Doc and you missed it. Give me a break...here is the sad story of the hospice patient. It was a SCAM and you fell fell for it and made a "simple call". It was a con game and you finally figured it out. How could someone with your credentials miss it? Honest solicittions aren't designed to con the supporters like Trump did. There is NO excuse...kinda like defending Gaetz. 

"One has to have a limited intelligence quotient not to have been aware of the recurring contribution and fixed it immediately." Obviously, that was Trump's intent that his supporters are of limited intelligence quotient and would miss it. 

There comes a point where one has to admit their hero was just plain dishonest in approving a misleading solicitation to HIS supporters. To justify it by suggesting "a simple call" is somewhat intellectually dishonest. Time to admit...Trump screwed up.

April 3, 2021

Stacy Blatt was in hospice care last September listening to Rush

Limbaugh’s dire warnings about how badly Donald J. Trump’s

campaign needed money when he went online and chipped in

everything he could: $500.

It was a big sum for a 63-year-old battling cancer and living in

Kansas City on less than $1,000 per month. But that single

contribution — federal records show it was his first ever — quickly

multiplied. Another $500 was withdrawn the next day, then $500

the next week and every week through mid-October, without his

knowledge — until Mr. Blatt’s bank account had been depleted and

frozen. When his utility and rent payments bounced, he called his

brother, Russell, for help.

What the Blatts soon discovered was $3,000 in withdrawals by the

Trump campaign in less than 30 days. They called their bank and

said they thought they were victims of fraud.

“It felt,” Russell said, “like it was a scam.”

But what the Blatts believed was duplicity was actually an

intentional scheme to boost revenues by the Trump campaign and

the for-profit company that processed its online donations,

WinRed. Facing a cash crunch and getting badly outspent by the

Democrats, the campaign had begun last September to set up

recurring donations by default for online donors, for every week

until the election.

 

Contributors had to wade through a fine-print disclaimer and

manually uncheck a box to opt out.

As the election neared, the Trump team made that disclaimer

increasingly opaque, an investigation by The New York Times

showed. It introduced a second prechecked box, known internally

as a “money bomb,” that doubled a person’s contribution.

Eventually its solicitations featured lines of text in bold and capital

letters that overwhelmed the opt-out language.







Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   Fish with an eyepatch
Date:   4/7/2021 10:50:32 AM (updated 4/7/2021 11:10:58 AM)

Do you not have alerts sent to you by your banking institution when self imposed spending limits are exceeded in a single transaction?  At least his family should have set that up for him and been notified and interceeded.  Shame on them for their lack of oversight.  I did have a problem with the recurring contribution, as I stated, and fixed it immediately.  Should the request for funds have been more transparent?  Absolutely.  Should Biden's infrastructure bill be more transparent?  Where is your concern when it comes to a 2 trillion dollar "infrastructure" bill that allocates a mere 5% of that money to true infrastructure.  Is Biden not guilty of the same scam?  I say he is and then some, but those facts don't fit your worldview so let's ignore them. 

If you demand transparency, then demand it across all spectrums Fish.





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   BULLETIN: 20/20 Vision For Goofy Without Patch
Date:   4/7/2021 7:27:59 PM

"If you demand transparency, then demand it across all spectrums Fish."

I do Doc...I like  the suggestion made by Roy Blunt(R-MO) that the bill be for $650 Billion and limited to INFRASRUCTURE. Biden's bill is too much for my pockets and extends coverage well beyond it's intended purpose. As I have said before, I am registered as NO Party Affiliation and voted for Biden and my Republican Congressman. I am socially quite liberal but much tighter with the purse strings.

To me, this covers it. From Google.....Examples of infrastructure include transportation systems, communication networks, sewage, water, and electric systems. 

I read some of AOC suggestions about a bill and they are ridiculous. She needs to come down from whatever cloud she lives in. She lost me as a supporter when she blew away all the jobs that Amazon wanted to bring to her district. What shocks me is that she was reelected easily so I guess the loss of the jobs was not that big an issue to her constituents.





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   To begin with, if Trump ''financed'' his campaign
Date:   4/7/2021 7:30:45 PM (updated 4/7/2021 7:50:13 PM)

why was he taking contributions?  I seem to remember lots of GOPers complaining about Trump sucking up all the contributions.

So the bottom line is you were fooled but eventually caught it and corrected it.  If a man with an MD after his name, assuming you actually have such, got scammed what do you have to say about the North AL or South GA country boy who has a poor 5th grade education and is working as as a mop pusher at McDonalds?  It is amazing how you are so belittling of so many without even the slightest realization how out of touch you are with so much of America.  You really are a sad case that proves Trump's comment about shooting someone on 5th Ave was no exaggeration!

Now this comes out.  The Gop Congressional Campaign Committee is true to your hero.  They are soliciting using the same scam with one major change.  The fine print on the recurring contribution opt-out includes the statement along the lines that if one opts out if will be made known to Donald Trump so he will be aware that the contributor has abandoned him.  The Democrats are crazy and stupid, the Republicans a crazy, stupid and, to use my daddy's expression ''lower than the belly of a snake that's crawling in a wagon rut''!





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Good God, you are such a stuck up holier than thou
Date:   4/7/2021 7:35:05 PM (updated 4/7/2021 7:48:06 PM)

elitest piece of work!!  Disagree?  Read the first 3 lines of CRD's comment above!  CRD, most people in America do not have personal bankers and multiple accounts to the max insured limits and do not get ''alerts'', just NSF charges assuming they have a bank account at all.  I know you have a lot of defenders on this forum, but believe me, in the real world of day to day working Joe struggle you would be consider a puffed up jerk!!  Cuff-links CRD!





Name:   CRD - Email Member
Subject:   Good God, you are such a stuck up holier than thou
Date:   4/7/2021 7:58:57 PM

Archie, if you do not have those alerts, may I suggest that you change banks.  DCCU offers that assistance free of charge. You are welcome for the advice. 





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   One Has To Actually See it
Date:   4/7/2021 8:20:01 PM (updated 4/7/2021 8:21:26 PM)

The GOP are really becoming scam artists soliciting their supporters and hoping that those, who as CRD refers  them,  as having have a limited intelligence quotient not to have been aware of the recurring contribution and fixed it immediately, will not understand and will leave it checked sucking the money from their checking account month after month... 

Imagine if the Left did that? 





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   CRD with that post I rest my case
Date:   4/7/2021 11:18:33 PM (updated 4/7/2021 11:21:05 PM)

You really are a smug, stuck-up, elitist, know it all and you are so damn and proud of it!

You are one of the last people from whom I need any advice and I'm damn proud of that!





Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Thanks GF!
Date:   4/7/2021 11:23:54 PM (updated 4/7/2021 11:33:31 PM)

Proof that the GOP is in fact now proudly pandering to stupid people and those with little intellegence! Wonder if that could be part of why they are so welled recieved around Lake Martin.

I can imagine if the Democrats had done this in 2018!  The Gaetz, Jordan, Taylor Greene, Gomert, and Ron Johnson sorts of stooges would be demanding all Democratic members be indicted and yelling ''lock them up''!





Name:   phil - Email Member
Subject:   One Has To Actually See it
Date:   4/8/2021 8:10:00 AM

So a bright yellow box that people missed? - did it need flashing lights and a sound like a backup beeper on a truck?









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