Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know Lifer
Date:	4/15/2021 10:37:54 AM

I just looked at the video again and it sure looks as if it was a fire extinguisher being hurled ay one of the members of the ''thin blue line'' on Jan 6 but I guess I could be wrong...it could have been a scuba tank but it was red and you would think the retired fire fighter who, in fact has been arrested for the action, would know the difference.  Now, do you have defense for the breaking and entering, destruction of public property, theft of public and private property and pissing on the floor?

BTW:  Does that defense of the servants in blue only extend to those protecting you from a BLM or Antifa thugs but not so much if they are trying to protect the nations capitol from an out of control MAGA mob?

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know Lifer, you don't know anything
Date:	4/15/2021 1:54:51 PM

Just because it was thrown doesn't mean it became a murder weapon, espeically when eperts that have viewed the footage say it bounced but NEVER HIT ANYONE, especially the man who died of a stroke at his home HOURS LATER.  

Heres my hope for you, you eat sh!t and die, and I will go on my merry way knowing the truth.  I have already stated these IRREFUTABLE FACTS for you once dumb@ss.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know Lifer, you don't know anything
Date:	4/15/2021 2:04:37 PM

Life, it is alway interesting to read your eloquent posts. Keep up the great effort.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Question For Lifer
Date:	4/15/2021 2:25:57 PM (updated 4/15/2021 2:37:11 PM)

IQ TEST

QUESTION 1.... IS THIS A:

A. BASKETBALL

B. FOOTBALL

C. BASEBALL

D. FIRE EXTINQUISHER

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Question For GFY
Date:	4/15/2021 2:34:30 PM (updated 4/15/2021 2:46:02 PM)

Can you show me where it injured or killed someone?

 Can you post the video that the frame came from so we can see it strike a officer dead?  I personally have not been able to locate the one that shows a fire extinguiser was used to kill or hurt someone as was reported.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	GFY's Response and ???? For Phil
Date:	4/15/2021 2:53:49 PM

For someone who professes to support Law and Order, that is a strange question. I never suggested anyone was killed or injured. Just showing a picture of a Trump Patriot throwing a fire extinquisher at police. The idiot is a retired fireman who will probably spend years in prison for a totally dumbass act.

Do you support his action if no one was killed or injured?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	GFY's Response and ???? For Phil
Date:	4/15/2021 3:43:13 PM (updated 4/15/2021 4:04:18 PM)

My question has to do with the initial reporting by your propaganda media that an officer was beaten to death with the fire extinguisher, since there was a recent thread regarding propaganda I figured you might be able to show us how that worked since you posted a frame from the video showing the device that has been accused of killing an officer in past reporting.  

Do you support things being thrown or fireworks being used by antifa/blm at police?

Do you support burning down court houses or police stations with cops inside during "fiery but mostly peaceful protests"?

 I am not sure I have seen you post much regarding portland or MN riots with lots of things thrown at cops, but much like CNN with its propaganda machine you have posted lots about the storming of the capital, fire extinguisher and the murder of someone at the capital ( not the officer, but the protester)

 IMO - if someone throws something at a anyone(police or civilian) and it hits them it is assault at best and I am sure they can stack additonal chargers on top of that.  They should have their day in court with appropriate jail time fitting the crime and injuries it caused. 

I am just disillusioned with the justice system when cops arrest "fiery but peaceful" protesters who throw things at cops and they get released without bail and often charges are dismissed.  After a year of HOTUS raising bail for the same actions that she (and you) are condemming - they are only calling for the book to be thrown at the people who were at the capital and are willing to turn a blind eye to others both present and over the past year. 

If one is guilty and should serve time then they all should is what I am saying, rules for thee but not for me is not acceptable.

After watching the news reports month after month about police being mobbed, attacked, things thrown at them, fireworks launched at them over and over and over - and then the reports that everyone is raising bail money and charges are being dismissed  - you get the feeling that those actions are acceptable.  It is much like sanctuary cities with illegal aliens - if/when they commit crimes they get released and often protected from the results of their actions, but others are punished for doing the exact same things.

It is wrong to have two sets of rules and/or punishments period, end of story.

Many of the capital protesters have been denied bail and are in jail still pending their trials.  Not everyone pissed on/stole/broke things - some were just present and should be treated the same as the summer of love riots - the precendence was set by leftists all summer long.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	GFY's Response and ???? For Phil
Date:	4/15/2021 6:45:52 PM

The storming of the Capitol, shouting Kill Pelosi, and Hang Pence are all crimes subject to Federal criminal law. The laws on bail are tougher for Federal crimes  compared to state or city laws. 

Rioters, not peaceful protesters, deserve jail time. I think we are in agreement. I was appalled by riots in Philadelphia where stores downtown, that I used shop, were burned down and the police just stood there. It pisses me off when I see looters carrying out "free" stuff from stores. They need a knock on the side of their head with a billy club.

Then, you have law and order supporters of Trump storming the capitol and the police treated them, for the most part, as simply trespassers rather than criminals. They Police were instructed not to use strong or lethal tactics. They could have stopped in if they had used some flash bangs when the mob was coming up the stsps. It is amazing only one protester was killed.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	GFY's Response and ???? For Phil
Date:	4/16/2021 8:54:13 AM (updated 4/16/2021 8:56:55 AM)

Funny I thought that attempting to burn down a federal court house was a federal offense.  Same for attempting to set fire to ICE buildings with federal officers inside - I am pretty sure they were not chanting peace be to federal immigration officers.

You have already tried to excuse the others as saying they are not guilty of the same crimes - again.  Its different because of reasons or because it was a attack on democracy  -  which is just pure damn BS.  I am pretty sure the laws do not care which federal building is being attacked.  If they do can you please point out the federal law code that says it is unlawful to attack congress, but other federal buildings and federal courthouses are not as important and those crimes should have much lesser punishments.

Rules for Dims but not for Repubs.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Followup
Date:	4/16/2021 10:17:40 AM

Rep. Markwayne Mullin took aim at FBI Director Cristopher Wray during a House Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, questioning what he sees as the FBI’s double standard in prosecuting Capitol rioters and those in Portland.

“Under the Biden administration, there appears to be a wave of leniency being granted to individuals arrested for federal crimes in Portland,” Mullin, a Republican from Oklahoma, said during the hearing. “Federal prosecutors are apparently approving deferred resolution agreements in a number of cases and allowing perpetrators to do community service and avoid jail time and criminal records. Why are we seeing such a disparity between the individuals charged on Jan. 6 and those that are charged in Portland?”

Wray at first responded by pinning the blame on local prosecutors, noting that the FBI only investigates the crimes but does not make decisions about prosecution.

Looks like someone from the House or Reps has the same concerns I do regarding the differences in FEDERAL charges between the summer of love riots and Jan 6th.  Currently to date there are more the 700 officers injured in riots that are not associated with Jan 6th vs the one who died after the 6th  that may or may not have been related to the what happened that day.  The first reports was that he was beated to death with a extinguisher, which proved to be false reporting.  

What we do know is that a someone in the capital building executed a woman for climbing through a window - was she chanting death to anyone?  We do not know, but we do know cities have and are burning for people who have committed far worse crimes.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Followup
Date:	4/16/2021 10:51:28 AM

And we still don't know the name of Ashli Babbitt's murderer.   Quite a contradiction, wouldn't you say? 

Name:	Smitty -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know Lifer, you don't know anything
Date:	4/16/2021 11:21:38 AM

Excellent intellectual effort here Lifer!  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Followup
Date:	4/16/2021 2:07:45 PM (updated 4/16/2021 2:10:10 PM)

The Feds may view entering a Federal Office building and storming the Capitol while in session differently. 

She was killed not murdered for trespassing into the hall that led to the House Chamber. She was the lead person for the team that was shouting death to Pelosi.Only a fool climbs thru a broken window with armed officers ready to shoot confronting her. She may have felt she was being loyal to Trump by being the first thru the window. May she RIP.

 I wonder what the Fight would be saying if Antifa rather than Trump supporters took over the Capitol? Or, if the person shot had been a Antifa supporter. No need to wonder...really.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Followup
Date:	4/16/2021 2:24:56 PM (updated 4/16/2021 2:37:41 PM)

No need to wonder what would be different - we saw the difference when the lefties mobbed the White House during the summer of love and set fire to the church across the street.  Care to locate a number for the officers who were injured during that assault on Democracy?  Ahh but yes its different because they did not actually enter the building, Pelosi did not give a stand down order to the officers, move barracades and stand back allowing them to enter the building.  So in your mind it should be punishable by death since they entered the building while chanting death to XXX.  Glad to know - so all the thugs chanting pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon should have the national guard open up with real bullets and kill them.  It would not be murder or even excessive - they should stand back and let them enter that federal building and have some machine gun nests setup inside.  Once they enter its acceptable right???

You applauded when leftists took over the Supreme Court buildings during Kavanaugh hearings.  I would not be suprised if you clapped when the Weather Underground bombed the same Capital itself since they are more to your political leanings - since they targeted Republicans.

Sadly as with you - it was whitewashed from the timeline to just focus on the Capital building - just like the year+ of leftist riots that continue on today and for the foreseeable future.

ahhh yes she was not murdered just killed for tresspassing with excessive force.  Tell that to the people rioting over George Floyd or the latest shooting in MN by the white female officer who is now facing charges for murder after thinking she had a taser and shot a man attempting to flee a scene point blank.

We get it, you think it is acceptable since she was a Trump supporter - she deserved to be murdered when they were additional officers in the immediate area that could have detained and arrested her. You excuse everything but the 6th because of Trump.

Sadly we do get it - you have no concern for excessive force when it comes to someone who disagrees with you politically - and that is why this country will tear itself apart.  Rules for thee but not for me.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know Lifer, you don't know anything
Date:	4/16/2021 2:49:13 PM

You consider yourself intelligent and informed, yet above here you claim to not be familiar with Rassmusen Poling.  What are you 12yo?  I know all you libs get stuck in a 12 years old developmental stage, but come on man.

You are late to the party so I will let you know, trying to unsult me has no affect, other than to open yourself up to get blasted.  Consider this a polite warning.  I don't give second warnings. 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know Lifer, you don't know anything
Date:	4/16/2021 2:54:09 PM (updated 4/16/2021 2:54:59 PM)

12?  I never thought they got that far....  Its funny how that seems to happen to the party who can not even figure out what gender they are/were/will be.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	More Followup
Date:	4/16/2021 3:01:09 PM

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/03/ashli-babbitts-familys-legal-team-releases-statement/

It is a universal law enforcement standard that a police officer should use no more force than necessary to accomplish a lawful purpose.  At 5′ 2″ tall and 110 pounds, an arrest of Ashli could have been accomplished by a single trained officer with a set of handcuffs. At the time of the shooting, there were over a half-dozen police officers in close proximity to the Speaker’s door where Ashli was standing. Some of those officers had just allowed protesters access to the door by stepping aside. Other officers, dressed in full tactical gear, stood among the protesters just a few feet behind the door. Still others stood casually at the opposite end of the Speaker’s Lobby, unconcerned with the activities of Ashli and the protesters around her. All of these officers were in a position to have aided in the apprehension of Ashli if it was necessary. Given her background as a 14-year veteran of the Air Force, it is likely that Ashli would have complied with simple verbal commands, thereby making the use of any force unnecessary.

However, the officer who shot Ashli never attempted to arrest her. Nor did he call on his fellow officers to arrest her. Instead, he fired a shot into her chest. Witnesses confirm that the officer did not give Ashli a single verbal warning prior to firing. In fact, Ashli was not even aware that the officer was present, as he was located in the doorway of a room off to the side of her field of vision.

Wow - no warning, no stop or Ill shoot - nothing.  Just murder by an unknown cop - he could not have arrested her, nothing else could have been done.  Officer did not even try a taser.....

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Followup
Date:	4/16/2021 3:50:34 PM

Doesnt matter if antifa BLM proud boys or anarchists of any type.....break the law, destroy property, set fire to cars and buildings, attack law enforcement.....suffer the equal law consequences based on severity

Name:	Smitty -	Reply
Subject:	I don't know Lifer, you don't know anything
Date:	4/17/2021 12:37:35 PM

Lifer - I would suggest that since you are issuing warnings in response to my "unsults", I am quite effectively making my points.