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Name:   Maverick - Email Member
Subject:   E-Tec vs Yamaha vs Suzuki
Date:   2/13/2007 6:17:29 PM

Am in the market for a new tritoon boat and was going to go with a 250hp 4 stroke, then I came across an article on Evinrudes E-Tec 2 stroke engines and they claim as compared to a 4 stroke

-- Just as quit
-- Just as fuel efficient
-- More torque and top end
-- Less Maint - Maint required every 300 hours or 3 years
-- etc, etc etc.

So I am now seeking advice as to whether to go with my original thought of a 250hp 4 Stroke and was leanng towards the Yamaha, but Susuki is nn option or the 250hp E-tec 250.

Any feedback here would be appreciated with regards to total cost of ownership, resale value of e-tec vs 4 stroke in say about 8 years, any other comments, etc. Also, e-tec is offering 7 year warranty and Yamaha is offering 5 year warranty, think Suzuki is 6 yers but not sure this one is corrrect.

Here are some of their claims per Evinrudes website:

EMISSIONS

NO SMOKE
DRAMATICALLY LOWER CO EMISSIONS
FUEL EFFICIENT
SUPERIOR SOUND QUALITY
CLEANER & QUIETER. With a fully stratified combustion system, Evinrude E-TEC outboards are designed to comply with 2006 EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) as well as tough 2006 EU (European Union) standards well into the future. E-TEC even meets the ultra-low 2008 CARB (California Air Resource Board) 3-Star emissions rating. For you, it simply means a cleaner boating environment: no smoke and dramatically lower carbon monoxide emissions.

With the E-TEC system, fuel is injected twice as fast as traditional direct injection engines and unburned fuel never reaches the exhaust port. This means the fuel charge never escapes the combustion chamber as it is burned and turned into pure power. E-TEC also senses when to change fuel delivery into the chamber, depending on engine needs, resulting in precision fuel flow and extreme fuel efficiency. The sealed fuel system also minimizes evaporative emissions. And finally, no more pre-mixing fuel and oil thanks to the E-TEC auto-lube oiling system.

And then there's the E-TEC signature sound. The exclusive E-TEC idle air bypass circuit, acoustically tuned air intake and exhaust silencers and state of the art acoustic foam lining combine for an incredibly quiet engine that hums like nothing else on the water.

MAINTENANCE
NO SCHEDULED DEALER MAINTENANCE FOR 3 YEARS.
ZERO BREAK-IN PERIOD
NO COSTLY OIL CHANGES
USES UP TO 30-75% LESS OIL THAN COMPETITIVE TECHNOLOGIES

EASY TO OWN AND OPERATE Evinrude E-TEC outboards require no scheduled dealer maintenance - that's right, zero - for the first three years or 300 hours of normal recreational use. Not even gearcase lube. You'll never have to change the oil or the oil filter, which can cost several hundred dollars each year for other technologies.

Evinrude E-TEC uses up to 75% less than typical 2-stroke carbureted engines and up to 50% less oil than competitive direct injection engines (when run with Evinrude/Johnson XD 100T oil with optional dealer programming of the Engine Management Module, versus normal TCW3 oil). And you'll use 30% less oil compared to a 4-stroke with a typical maintenance schedule under normal operating conditions.

That's just the start. The Evinrude E-TEC engines use an exclusive low friction design. There are no belts, no chains, no powerhead gears, no cams, and no mechanized oil pumps.

DURABILITY and RELIABILITY
OVERSIZED, SUPER-TOUGH COMPONENTS
EASY WINTERISATION & STORAGE
NO-BATTERY STARTING
SPEED ADJUSTING FAILSAFE ELECTRONICS (S.A.F.E. TM)
Evinrude E-TEC engines have all three, with robust, oversized motor components throughout for longer engine life. And they're not just big. They're super tough. In fact, our pistons are 2.5 times stronger than traditional pistons at operating temperatures, thanks to a new patented NASA alloy.

One more thing: If you live in a colder climate, you know all about winterizing. Our program for the winter or long term storage? Follow a few easy steps that will take just minutes. Then put it away. Maintenance? Forget about it.

In addition, all Evinrude E-TEC outboards feature the S.A.F.E. TM (Speed Adjusting Failsafe Electronics) information and alarm system, which reduces engine rpm in case of emergency to prevent engine damage and protect your investment.

POWER AND PERFORMANCE
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
FASTER ACCELERATION & TOP SPEED
LIGHTER WEIGHT
MORE HP & TORQUE
Power & Performance. With a fully stratified combustion system, Evinrude E-TEC offers unsurpassed fuel economy, especially at low speeds. At higher speeds, the Engine Management Module (EMM), making up to 8 million calculations per second, delivers precisely the right amount of fuel directly into the combustion chamber for every load and condition.

The lightweight design of the Evinrude E-TEC increases performance and boat handling, while its large displacement provides more horsepower and torque. This combination of light weight and high torque makes E-TEC accelerate faster and achieve higher top speeds than any other outboard engine in its class.

When you consider the fact that the 2-stroke Evinrude E-TEC produces a power stroke every revolution and it doesn't have the added complexity of belts, camshafts, valves, timing chains and oil pumps that add weight and rob power and torque it's easy to understand why 2>4.








Name:   fulltimer - Email Member
Subject:   E-Tec vs Yamaha vs Suzuki
Date:   2/13/2007 7:21:18 PM

Sounds like you have already made up your mind. OR is this an AD??????????????



Name:   Maverick - Email Member
Subject:   E-Tec vs Yamaha vs Suzuki
Date:   2/13/2007 9:08:41 PM

No ad, was set on 4 stroke, then saw e-tech commercial the other night and started to do some more reasearch.

Now I'm wondering if the newer 2 strokes might me a better deciosion based on maitenance schedule, etc or long term does a 4 stroke make more sense.



Name:   Martin Fisherman - Email Member
Subject:   E-Tec vs Yamaha vs Suzuki
Date:   2/14/2007 8:50:03 AM

Go to this link and post your question under boats and motors. You will get more response.

http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/reports/index.html








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