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twc
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LMLPA Meeting?
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11/16/2007 5:05:36 PM
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Well.....how did it go? Sorry I couldn't make it. Just not enough hours in the day right now.
Peace,
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RatherBeSkiing
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Report from one not
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11/16/2007 8:12:29 PM
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very qualified to make a report but...
I went. It was interesting. I got there right after it started and didn't leave until they closed the business meeting. Unfortunately by that time all of the handouts were gone. So I don't have many of the sources of the information that they were talking about. I think they were surprised by the turnout.
Basically, the bulk of the time was a guy from APCO in charge of lakeshore permitting discussing what you can do (not much) and what you can't do (just about anything) without a permit. He talked about how seriously they are pursuing violators - to the point of flying over the lake at 500 feet looking for them. It seems that they take dredging or digging in the lakebed the most seriously. Good thing, 'cause of the PCB's lurking there. That and the size and type structure allowed to be built on the lake (piers and boathouses) and encroachment on APCO’s easement were covered pretty extensively.
I asked whether this information (detailed guidelines) was avbl on APCO’s website and was told it could be found there. I had looked for it a couple of weeks ago and couldn’t find it. She said they had only recently added it (how convenient). I looked again today and I still can’t find it. Wish I had gotten one of those handouts – if anybody here went to the meeting and has that information I’d like to know where on the website they’re hiding it.
The fee to join LMLPA is $25 which I thought was pretty stiff for a group that only sent out a few newsletters a year. The bulk of that money is used to help defray the cost of the Renew Our Rivers cleanup project. They also said how much money they spent on that last year (a considerable amount). I’ll buy that and I’ll be sending them my $25 to join. I think last year they got about 13 tons of junk out of Logan Martin alone. That’s a worthy cause. The next one will be in late March or early April of ’08. I’m in. The next LMLPA newsletter will come out in January and the exact date will in there.
Last but not least about the meeting – there seemed to be a number of newcomers to the lake. People are under the impression that the water at Logan Martin is REALLY low. My family has had a house on LM since 1967. It’s not unusual for the level to go down to 459 in the winter. It’s just now getting lower than it’s been in recent years. We’re in a heck of lot better shape than Lake Martin.
Speaking of Lake Martin –t here’s an interesting article in the Nov 1st issue of Lake Martin Magazine:
http://www.lakemartinmagazine.com/articles/2007/11/14/features/news02.txt
It’s specific to Lake Martin but much of the information applies to Logan Martin.
Another place with great information on the Coosa and other Alabama rivers is:
http://www.riversofalabama.org/index.htm
It gives a detailed description of each river, the lakes and the history behind them.
It’s very helpful in understanding the Alabama/Georgia/Florida Whose Water Is It War. (It’s ours.) (and that was a joke).
I hope the links translate. If not and anyone is interested I'll repost separately.
I apologize for any typos, grammar booboos, misspelling or misinformation. I did say that I wasn’t really qualified to make a report.
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twc
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Report from one not
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11/16/2007 9:15:50 PM
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You get my nomination for secretary.
Thanks for the info. I'll add my $25 as soon as I find out where to send it. I know it's on their website.
The lady they have doing permits now was cruising my neighborhood a few weeks ago. I guess they are getting serious about permits. Thats fine with me as long as they are fair with everybody.
Peace,
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MovinFr8
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Report from one part 2
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11/16/2007 9:18:37 PM
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I too went and also arrived after the openning bell, I was on the back row in the middle sort of close to the table.
I basically have to agree with everything that RBS had to say.
I will add that APCO was very addement about getting everyone on the lake within the guidelines for piers and boathouses on the lake. He specifically said that if you currently are outside of those guidelines and a flood, fire. wind or temites destroy your structure you will only be able to rebuild within the current guidelines, not what you previously had.
One gentleman that was in front of me suggested that pier guidelines should be on a case by case situation. he implied that he was at the end of the slough and even when we are at full pool he only has 2 ft of water and needs a longer (outside the guidelines) pier to reach deep water. basically APCO shut him down by saying he should have bought another lot. Rude but in my opinion sloughs should have different rules than the main channel. If someone owns all of the property in any given slough, who is APCO to say he cannot build what he wants.
The gentleman and women that represented APCO did imply that most rules that are in place today were created long ago. The woman even implied so long ago that anyone she has asked did not remember how long ago. To me anything that involves rules created in a different era should be updated every 25 years or so to keep with the times and current situations. If some rules were created 30 years ago as he implied, a group of homeowners, business owners and APCO should get together and see why these rules were created and if they sshould be updated.
Basically I saw many people that had questions about what was going on around the lake and thought this gentleman was going to solve all of the problems. People had concerns about new developments around the lake, water levels (current and future) and how and where to get relevant information when needed. From what I understand this guy was "THE MAN" when it comes to permitting around the lake.
He said Permits have to be issued for even the replacement of decking or roof shingles. He implied they would be free for simple repairs but who knows when you actually apply for one.
One gentleman in the Audience implied that it was his property and APCO has no right to restrict what he wants to do. APCO basically said if we can legally flood it we can dictate what you can do in that part of the lake.
I do have a copy of the information that they passed out. Monday I can fax or email to anyone who would like one.
All of the information is vague on the sheet. It gives you the wrong website name www.alapower.com. Everyone should have the link from these pages and if you dont let me know and I will send it to you. It also gives you addresses and names for contact.
Sorry to ramble...................
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MovinFr8
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11/16/2007 9:24:33 PM
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Also to add about seeing the permit people riding around in neighborhoods.
he said they have had to slow their people down that they had been sitting around and following dump trucks and back hos around to see where they were going.
Yes thats what I said about them too...................
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RatherBeSkiing
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AND furthermore
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11/16/2007 10:12:13 PM
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You added what I left out 'cause I was already halfway through a dissertation. The dude with the 'tude about "it's MY property and I'll do what I wanna" had me rolling my eyes. I do think APCO guy's rationalization about flooding was pretty lame. We have an out of water boathouse and the year my dad built it (over 25 years ago) he asked around about how high was the highest it had gotten and built it 2 feet beyond that. The next year it flooded, floated the boat into the roof and broke the door off. So using his flood logic I guess APCO can dictate what we do with almost the whole freakin’ front yard (I wish they’d come take care of their yard). Don’t get me wrong – I think what they are doing is necessary. I just hate BS answers. A better answer to that guy would have been “it is because the law says it is”. End of discussion.
If you have a chance to read the article in Lake Martin Magazine – do. It’s pretty long but those folks are organized and militant.
We need us some firewalkers on Logan Martin.
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