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thurdenlong
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Fuel in tank for winter
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11/20/2008 9:46:02 AM
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Was going to send this directly to CATBOAT but figured others might benefit from the discussion. On the Lake Maring News section there is a long article on Ethanol Fuel in Marine Engines which opens up the question/debate as to what to do over the winter. If it is not possible to drain engines, would it be better to top off the tanks or leave them partially filled. Is this Ethanol issue somthing that really needs to be addressed or is it overblown?
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Rooster
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Fuel in tank for winter
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11/20/2008 3:20:41 PM
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It is not overblown. Talked to 4 diff service people at 4 diff locations and all said same thing. bad news. I personally had an auxiliary water seperator filter installed on my pontoon for this reason.
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CAT BOAT
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My Opinion....
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11/20/2008 9:46:37 PM
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For what it is worth, my opinion has and will remain the same as the past year or so. Ethanol is present in most Gasoline. Mostly at 10% levels per gallon. Although some stations have 0% Ethanol. First, it takes more E10 burned in your engine to make the same power as 100% gasoline. That being said, you DON'T get as good mileage when you burn E10 as you do 100% gasoline. (lets don't even discuss E85) The few cents you pay less really washes out with poorer fuel economy. That being said, let's move on to the question at hand. I don't recomend storing E-10 in your boat, 4-wheeler or anything else. However, I'll show you why if ya' ever visit the shop.. There are several valves/pistons etc at the bar for conversation pieces. MOST of our "Pleasure Craft" winterizations still have us treating the fuel in the tanks. At least now, there is "Stabil" with Ethonal treatment included. (Lets prolong the inevident) Yall got this when we winterized your boat when we came to the lake. : ) (New and Improved if you will, although I believe treated Ethanol is still Ethanol). Kinda like a Super Drain "0" . We have seen several engine failures over the past couple years due to, in my opinion to Ethanol. Cyl. head temps are higher because of detonation in performance engines, resulting in valve failures, injector failures, blown head gaskets, gummed fuel lines, tanks and lean running conditions. I know this happens slowly over a period of time but Let's face it... Marine engines and fuel systems just don't like the stuff. Kinda like cheap whisky... the feeling is the same but later on it ain't all that! Eventually, you get a headache. And, if you drink it long enough you start to feel old. LOL. For the average boating family, there is not much you can do about it. Take the boat out of the Lake and haul to the nearest Chevron? <<< Nope, not gonna happen. Most go to the most convenient stop, local marina, etc. fuel up and enjoy your day! That's fine but remember the most important thing. .. Service your boat! Have it inspected annually! Replace fuel filters. Change the oil. Take care of things. Find a shop close as possible that will take the time to REALLY check it out, even if it cost a little bit more for service. (Or out of the way when it comes to Cathouse). If you do service properly, you want come home all summer hooked to the down wind end of a tow rope. Yall remember, this is my opinion only! I am basing my opinion on just what I see here at my shop, along with articles and general information. There has been many performance engines, as well as pleasure craft repaired here as a result of what "I believe" is Ethanol. My.02 worth. Sorry for the long post. My Honest Opinion!
Steve
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CAT BOAT
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P.S. Thurdnlong...
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11/20/2008 9:52:42 PM
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Good job of throwing me out there to the wolves, with no heads up!
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Rooster
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My Opinion....
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11/21/2008 10:26:19 AM
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Based on everything- Do you recommend going up a grade in octane? thanks
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thurdenlong
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Fuel in tank for winter
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11/21/2008 11:03:02 AM
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Thanks for the reply and glad to know I am "protected" for the winter and likely need to be a little aware during summerizaton. . As far as "throwing to the wolves" from a couple years watching this forum it looked to me that CAT was clearly one who could "Dance with the Wolves".
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Maverick
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Cat Really Is
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11/21/2008 12:23:48 PM
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A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing - LOL
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Crimson4Lif
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More like
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11/21/2008 3:37:49 PM
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a wolf is sheep "skin"! Cat make sure you take care of the gas treatment too while you got it.
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CAT BOAT
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Rooster...
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11/21/2008 6:00:06 PM
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If you have a Performance engine I would put a higher grade in. For most Pleasure boats it really is your preference I believe. Mav and Thurdenlong, I don't dance very well! Crimson4life, thanks for bringing the boat to the shop today.... Cuttin' it kinda close arriving at noon and the low tonight is 26* LMAO.
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I always check with the station before I fill my boats or cans. Stations are required to post a sign if their gas has ethanol, but I still ask. Unless something has changed very recently, the Eagle station on 229 near Red Hill and Nails Chevron have gas without ethanol. If you buy gas there, thank them for not selling ethanol gas. I also tell stations that use ethanol that I'm forced to take my business elsewhere.
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atkins
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Ethonol free gas
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12/3/2008 7:50:33 PM
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What's sad is most of the boat owners in this country are casual recreationists, and most will remain unaware of the hazards of ethanol to their expensive marine engines. I wonder how many thousands of motors will be ruined in the upcoming spring because people left ethanol gas in them over the winter. Thanks, federal government, for yet another well thought out policy.
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crappyattitude
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Keep Looking!!!!!
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12/5/2008 3:06:10 PM
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Here in Middle Tennessee.... I have had no choice but to run ethanol.... However, now, there are two stations that carry "real" gas. One is a Citgo and the other is the Farmers Co-Op. I had been told by someone that the Fed's mandated that all stations carry ethanol. That doesn't seem to be the case, however. Thank goodness!
BTW..... Citgo is about 5 cents higher than the cheapest in town. Co-Op..... is about 3 cents cheaper than anyone else!!!! How about that... "real" gas cheaper than ethanol! : )
Crappy : )
just outside of Nashville
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Bspencer
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Keep Looking!!!!!
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12/6/2008 11:13:16 PM
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I'm not sure about other places, but Birmingham and north AL Citgos are supposed to be switched to ethanol by Dec 15. The last 2 that I know of that carry straight gas in that area are Shell and Phillips. Shell is suppose to change Jan1.
By next summer we'll all be in trouble with this stuff.
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