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Name:   MartiniMan The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   Not quite Libertarian either
Date:   9/10/2009 3:27:27 PM

Answers below.

"-MM stays consistent with his claim of straight-down-the-line conservatism. But MM, are you straight-down-the-line Republican Party? ...just being nosey here, I'm just not sure I've heard you say that or not."

Answer: for better or worse we have a two party system in this country and unlike those that go the 3rd party route I am simply unwilling to waste my vote on someone with no hope of winning, especially when it will result in someone much worse ending up in office. So I vote Republican because while the party is not perfect, it is much closer to what I believe than any Democrat. Of course I live in Cobb County, Georgia and Tom Price is my congressman and he is a pretty good guy. Our Senators (Chambliss and Isakson) get my vote but not easily. I held my nose and voted for McCain although he was not my primary choice, Romney was.

-So MM, Lover, and I: (1) agree on pro-gun issues, --let's go shooting; (2) are mixed on the death penalty, with Lover for it, MM not really sure (unlike his usual clarity about core values), and I am for the death penalty ,...BUT only when it is absolutely clear that the person charged did teh murder, --for me that means at least two eye witnesses. I've come to this comclusion based on all teh reversals due to DNA testing (MM, does that mean I'm again a wishy-washy independent on this issue?), (3) MM and I are anti-abortion while Lover is pro-abortion.

Answer: There is no lack of clarity on the death penalty, I oppose it in the U.S. at this moment (see my answer below for more explanation). What I was trying to point out is that while I oppose it I believe those that are for the death penalty have a principled, reasonable argument. I would expand my views to being "pro life" (versus anti-abortion) which means from conception to natural death. Abortion is just one anti-life issues while there are many others as well. I also oppose contraception but that would take a lot of explaining for you to understand how that is a pro life issue as well.

-So even this little group which would probably call itself more right-than-left, more conservative-than-liberal, have a lot of disparity. MM, are you the clear thinker here, and Lover and I confused, ...or ...are we all clear thinkers, --just having different views?

Answer: Actually my conservative principals are very well founded and you probably misunderstand my views on the death penalty and are trying to spin that as my taking a more liberal stance. So let me explain with more clarity. I oppose the death penalty for the U.S. today, not the morality of the concept of the death penalty. From a broadly moral perspective the death penalty can be acceptable under certain circumstances. I have come to believe that to date those circumstances do not exist in the U.S. It would take a lot of time to explain why it is not acceptable in the U.S. today but suffice it to say that were those circumstances changed then I would once agree that it is morally correct. On fiscal and other social issues I am a died in the wool, down the line conservative as defined by the modern conservative movement. No lack of clarity of fogginess there.....
Other messages in this thread:View Entire Thread
Obama Losing Independents - MartiniMan - 9/8/2009 5:28:12 PM
     Obama Losing Independents - Yankee06 - 9/8/2009 5:57:09 PM
          Yankee, a serious post - alahusker - 9/8/2009 7:10:35 PM
               Yankee, a serious post - green,ed - 9/9/2009 9:40:42 AM
          Obama Losing Independents - MartiniMan - 9/9/2009 8:28:21 AM
          And by "you" in the above - MartiniMan - 9/9/2009 10:22:38 AM
               And by "you" in the above - Yankee06 - 9/9/2009 11:56:00 AM
                    And by "you" in the above - MartiniMan - 9/9/2009 12:17:32 PM
                         Thoughtful posts, guys. - alahusker - 9/9/2009 7:36:26 PM
                    I disagree - au67 - 9/9/2009 8:46:30 PM
                         I disagree - Yankee06 - 9/9/2009 10:34:55 PM
                         Exactly! - MartiniMan - 9/9/2009 10:37:53 PM
                              Exactly! - Summer Lover - 9/10/2009 9:22:28 AM
                                   Libertarian not independent - MartiniMan - 9/10/2009 11:00:02 AM
                                        Not quite Libertarian either - Summer Lover - 9/10/2009 11:54:19 AM
                                             Not quite Libertarian either - MartiniMan - 9/10/2009 1:03:11 PM
                                                  Not quite Libertarian either - Yankee06 - 9/10/2009 1:32:36 PM
                                                       Not quite Libertarian either - MartiniMan - 9/10/2009 3:27:27 PM



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