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	Name:	MartiniMan -
	Subject:	Really?
	Date:	1/5/2012 1:41:57 PM

The violence in Iraq has nothing to do with hatred of the west. It is sectarian (Shiites and Sunnis) violence that frankly rarely happened under Saddam because of his military and police (and no I don't want him back). The point is that our presence prevented a fair amount of that violence that has already accelerated as I and many others predicted it would. And the current state of the Iraqi government and their military/police forces will either be unable or maybe even unwilling to do so. Either way, I would have deferred to those in the military that knew better and their concerns are well founded. And if you think the Messiah pulled out the troops to save money you are sadly mistaken. He did so for one reason only, and that is to shore up his base for November.

As for an example where the military achieved victory and won hearts and minds I would point you to Germany and Japan. Of course after 60 years we still have a military presence in both countries. I doubt if we had cut and run as quickly after WWII we would have seen 60 years of peace. We saw what happens when we did so after WWI leading to WWII. If you want to save money on the military we should look at our presence in Europe before pulling out of Iraq.

And on a final note, the cost of staying in Iraq with the level of troops requested by Petreus pales in comparison the the structural causes of our annual debt. Let's focus on entitlements where the real money can be saved and listen to our military commanders rather than catering to the left wing nuts.