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Lifer
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Darwin and the Republic
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7/3/2012 3:30:31 PM
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"But what happens when there are no jobs, or
if a social problem like too many children, too little education, lack of
transportation, mental illness or medical disability plagues your life? The idea that by disassembling assistance
programs, we somehow simply & painlessly convert large numbers of people
into ‘productive citizens’ completely overlooks the suffering and social instability
that would follow. And i don’t have
confidence that the Free Market will graciously provide for widows and orphans,
the job of providing a social safety net... that job will always have to be provided by us collectively thru the government.".
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First of all congrats on a very intelligent and cogent response. I was with you right up until the end. I copied the part of the post I have issues with. Your list of social problems, excluding mental illness and medical disability, are problems of choice. Choices one makes that have consequences. Are they "social problems"? Yes. Should they be protected by the safety net of government intervention? Not IMHO. As stated, these are due to poor choices one makes in life. One chooses to have children without the benefit of marriage, that almost always leads to a life of poverty. Multiple children by different sperm donors most definitely leads to a life of dependence. We now are into the 3rd and 4th generations of such dependence. Positive reinforcement works almost to 100% certainty. Take away the governmental safety net and the behavior will cease to near zero.
As for the government providing the social safety net, well that didn't start until the the New Deal of FDR, and expanded by Johnson with the "War on Poverty". So we are talking 50-70 years max. Prior to that, the 'safety net' was provided exclusively by the private sector via mostly family, churches and synagogues. I didn't include mosques because they would, and still do, stone a woman to death for out of wedlock births. How do you account for the thousands of years of human history without the governmental safety net?
As always if I was in charge, things would be much different! Anyone can make a mistake, but survival requires a species to learn from it's mistakes. The breakdown of the family unit has led us to the place we find ourselves. IMHO help should only be offered for the 1st illegitimate child, and then in limited amounts/time. Get an education that leads to gainful employment or loose the child to responsible adoptive parents that can care for them. Second illegitimate child, don't come crying to me (the government) for help. Call your family, church or synagogue.
As for 'widow's and orphans', well society took care of them for thousands of years before the government progressives decided it was a social responsibility of the government to do so. I personally think that offering them a life of dependency is not 'saving' them at all, it only breeds more dependency and lower self esteem of an entire class of people. Time was in this world most folks wouldn't take a hand out, now society breeds an entire population that wants nothing but handouts.
I will climb down from my soapbox now. No need to tell me what a heartless b@stard I am. I already know.
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