Name:   MartiniMan - Subject:   You are still clueless Date:   6/3/2015 2:41:13 PM (updated 6/3/2015 2:47:41 PM)

Let me address the first paragraph.  I simply do not have the time to address all your nonsense.  Suffice it to say that pretty much everything you posted was as wrong as your first paragraph.

"Well, we are still waiting on the GOP to propose a plan, aren't we?"  

Why is that the left always want a plan?  We have seen the results of the federal government's idea of a plan and it is a train wreck.  The GOP has proposed a goodly number of responsible and reasonable targeted legislateive changes should Obamacare be repealed and replaced with sensible reforms.  Tort reform, portability, reduced barriers to market coverage, etc. but you would never know that because you get all your news from the lamestream media or HuffnPuff Post.

"It is beginning to look like the only thing you guys can agree on is that we need to (somehow) go back to the way things were before. Pre-existing condition exclusions, cherry picked subscriber groups, minimum regulation of the insurance industry, and large segments of the US population unable to afford or gain access to health care."  

Where do I start?  How about at the absurd statement at the end?  Prior to Obamacare even the proponents claimed that about 15% of Americans did not have health insurance (said number was in doubt even then and likely overstated to sell the law).  So unless 15% represents a large segment and 85% is a small segment in fact the opposite was true.  Not only that but studies at the time indicated that 85% of those already insured liked their insurance.  And finally, of that likely overstated 15% many had access to health insurance but did not buy it (mostly the young making a rational decision of risk versus reward).  And that's just health insurance and not health care.  Recall the promise that all those that used the emergency room for their care would suddenly have insurance.  They had access to health care......oh and by the way, the numbers still using the emergency room have gone up demonstrating yet another lie told to the American people.  So your closing statement in that paragraph was wrong and ill informed.....no surprise.

Minimal regualtion of the insurance industry is quite a laugher as well.  Do a little research and you will find that other than banks, insurance companies are some of the most regulated both on a federal and state level.  But hey, now that they are government contractors all they have to do is make contributions to the Clinton Family Crime Foundation and they can get all sorts of preferential treatment.

Cherry picked subscriber groups is a nasty code word for underwriting.  But the fact is every company that I ever joined simply signed me up for health insurance.  No cherry picking, and that is the experiecne of most of those covered through their employer.  But for individual plans no doubt the underwriting process was needed otherwise people would not have insurance until they needed it which is called adverse selection.  That is death for insurance companies.....sort of like buying homeowners insurance after your house burns down.  That my clueless friend is not insurance.

Ah yes, pre-existing conditions.  Finally you have blindly stumbled on a legitimate issue that affected a small percentage of those trying to get insurance.  Now had the Democrats tackled that issue along with trying to cover those that did not have access to health insurance and actually wanted it (maybe 8%-10% at most) then I think we could all get on board.  But that wasn't the goal.  The goal was to have 100% of Americans having to go throught hte government for their health insurance.  Make good little socialists out of all of us.