Name:   Talullahhound - Subject:   Government employee unions Date:   11/17/2016 9:05:45 PM

As I said, these laws and regulations were put in place years and years ago, to protect career civil servants from bosses and political appointees who would fire at whim.  Employees are entitled to due process.  Most superviors do not have the time or the heart to go through the improvement plans, grievances only to be left hanging by their own management if someone threatens a lawsuit.  yes, you can be sued by the employees and most supervisors and managers carry personal liability insurance which is not reimbursed by the government. 

How do you change it?  You have to change the laws and regulations.  It's been attempted in the past, usually to go down in flames.  Don Rumsfeld tried to change it for Department of Defense.  They spent millions of dollars implemented a new system, only to have it abandoned as soon as he left.  The system needs to be streamlined, without so many levels of "due process".  Seriously, my sister had a problem employee who also happened to be a minority.  They began the procedure, he filed a grievance and it took over 4 years to conclude.  And in the end, the employee "won". 

Now I have another friend that managed to get fired (it seemed questionable).  First they pulled his clearance, then they put him on paid administrative leave for a year.  Because it involved his security clearance, he had to find a lawyer that specialized in that area.  He basically spent every dime he had trying to get reinstated, but he didn't win.  They were able to do it so quickly, because of the security cleanarnce thing (he worked for one of the intell agencies), and he was in the exepted service, which means he did not have the same rights than if he had been non-exempt. 

The hiring process can be equally frustrating.  If you have a disabled veteran show up on your list, even if he isn't qualified for the job, you will have to hire him, unless he finds and accepts another job.  You cannot touch anyone below him on the list, even if they are more qualified. 

A friend had an employee who through urine a the tech, on a mandatory drug testing.  this was a guy that was a troublemaker and it was not his first time in trouble.  They couldn't even fire him; he just got days off without pay. 

These are the reasons why some refuse to take a supervisory or management positions.  It is just too frustrating  And supervisors and managers don't get paid extra to deal with this stuff.