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Name:   MartiniMan The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   Bingo!
Date:   7/31/2018 5:02:05 PM

We are already running huge deficits despite record revenues, even after the most recent tax bill was passed (and most likely because of it as always happens).  And 75% of those expenditures are for entitlement programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.  If you had Medicare for all, deficits would increase tremendously and $6.2T of the total $7.2T Federal budget would now be entitlement programs (or 83% of our annual budget).  And these are costs that cannot be touched because of political considerations.  So now our Federal budget is about 21% of annual GDP.  Since GDP will not go up (and would likely go down if we raised taxes to pay for this crazy idea), if we implemented Medicare for all it our Federal budget would repesent almost 38% of GDP.  This is very European, the difference being that they do not pay for their defense against threats like Russia, we do.

As we have seen with states that flirted with the idea of Medicare for all, the costs are simply too high.  The difference is that states only have two sources of funding, taxes and debt.  They realized the absolute folly of this and always step back from the brink.  But not so with the Federal govt.  It can simply print money which of course has all sorts of negative consequences, not the least of which is what it would do to our children and grandchildren.  Just look at countries like Greece and Italy if you want to see the disaster that is.  So its either print money and risk hyperinflation or increase the deficit which at some point the piper must be paid.  The alternative is to abandon this deeply flawed and incredibly stupid idea that only appeals to the economically illiterate and implement sensible reforms, which includes the repeal and replacement of Obamacare.  Whether that can get done in the current political environment is anyone's guess.

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Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - MartiniMan - 7/30/2018 2:38:26 PM
     Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - phil - 7/30/2018 4:08:03 PM
     Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - QuietMan - 7/30/2018 8:13:03 PM
          Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - wix - 7/30/2018 8:42:27 PM
          Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - Casey - 7/30/2018 8:43:21 PM
               CASEY-IDIOT - wix - 7/30/2018 9:08:01 PM
                    CASEY-IDIOT - QuietMan - 7/30/2018 9:16:13 PM
                         CASEY-IDIOT - wix - 7/30/2018 9:19:07 PM
                              CASEY-IDIOT - QuietMan - 7/30/2018 9:25:12 PM
                                   CASEY-IDIOT - QuietMan - 7/30/2018 9:31:48 PM
                                        CASEY-IDIOT - wix - 7/30/2018 11:39:01 PM
                                             CASEY-IDIOT - QuietMan - 7/31/2018 6:52:02 AM
                                                  CASEY-IDIOT - wix - 7/31/2018 8:34:19 AM
                                                       CASEY-IDIOT - QuietMan - 7/31/2018 9:22:41 AM
                                                            CASEY-IDIOT - wix - 7/31/2018 9:33:13 AM
                                                            CASEY-IDIOT - MrHodja - 7/31/2018 9:55:28 AM
                                                  CASEY-IDIOT - wix - 7/31/2018 9:16:54 AM
                                             CASEY-IDIOT - phil - 7/31/2018 9:43:32 AM
                                                  Nope, Free BP, if...... - wix - 7/31/2018 10:01:52 AM
                                                       Nope, Free BP, if...... - QuietMan - 7/31/2018 9:33:30 PM
                                                            Know it all idiot...... - wix - 7/31/2018 10:10:43 PM
                                                                 Know it all idiot...... - QuietMan - 7/31/2018 10:24:02 PM
                                                                      Ok, fact denier ... - wix - 8/1/2018 8:16:49 PM
                                                                           Ok, Wix the Bigot - QuietMan - 8/1/2018 9:00:17 PM
                                                                                Ok, Wix the Bigot - Buteye - 8/1/2018 9:15:19 PM
                                                                                     Ok, Wix the Bigot - QuietMan - 8/1/2018 9:19:10 PM
                                                                                          Ok, Wix the Bigot - Buteye - 8/2/2018 12:47:52 AM
                                                                                               Ok, Wix the Bigot - QuietMan - 8/2/2018 9:07:41 AM
                                                                                LOUD-KRAP - wix - 8/1/2018 10:10:52 PM
          Let's separate the cost and quality of care - MartiniMan - 7/31/2018 10:48:40 AM
               Let's separate the cost and quality of care - CRD - 7/31/2018 11:39:29 AM
               Let's separate the cost and quality of care - QuietMan - 7/31/2018 6:44:53 PM
                    Let's separate the cost and quality of care - MartiniMan - 8/1/2018 10:11:26 AM
                         Let's separate the cost and quality of care - GoneFishin - 8/1/2018 11:36:41 AM
                              I'm glad you asked that question - MartiniMan - 8/1/2018 3:50:43 PM
                         Let's separate the cost and quality of care - QuietMan - 8/2/2018 11:20:01 PM
                              Let's separate the cost and quality of care - Lifer - 8/3/2018 7:17:06 AM
                              Let's separate the cost and quality of care - au67 - 8/3/2018 9:58:07 AM
                                   Let's separate the cost and quality of care - QuietMan - 8/3/2018 10:36:04 AM
                                        Nope, no GOP votes for ACA - MartiniMan - 8/3/2018 12:16:27 PM
                                        LOUD-KRAP - wix - 8/3/2018 2:12:07 PM
                                             LOUD-KRAP - QuietMan - 8/3/2018 7:35:23 PM
                                             Wix Ignorant Bigot - QuietMan - 8/3/2018 7:38:53 PM
                                                  LOUD - wix - 8/4/2018 11:09:12 PM
                                                       LOUD - au67 - 8/5/2018 9:39:27 AM
                                                            LOUD - wix - 8/5/2018 1:17:34 PM
                                                                 LOUD - QuietMan - 8/7/2018 10:09:39 PM
                                                            LOUD - QuietMan - 8/7/2018 10:07:10 PM
                                                            LOUD - QuietMan - 8/7/2018 10:10:26 PM
                                                       LOUD - QuietMan - 8/7/2018 10:05:20 PM
          Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - CRD - 7/31/2018 11:32:05 AM
               Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - QuietMan - 7/31/2018 7:28:31 PM
                    Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - CRD - 8/1/2018 3:38:53 AM
     Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - Talullahhound - 7/30/2018 11:08:17 PM
          Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - QuietMan - 7/31/2018 6:52:50 AM
     Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - Casey - 7/31/2018 9:08:31 AM
          Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - Lifer - 7/31/2018 10:48:10 AM
               Assuming they would let him in - MartiniMan - 7/31/2018 11:37:11 AM
                    Assuming they would let him in - Buteye - 7/31/2018 12:58:53 PM
     Cost of Medicare for all-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - lucky67 - 7/31/2018 10:48:29 AM
     Tax increases to pay for this nonsense - MartiniMan - 7/31/2018 1:07:21 PM
          Tax increases to pay for this nonsense - lakngulf - 7/31/2018 4:39:33 PM
               Bingo! - MartiniMan - 7/31/2018 5:02:05 PM



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