Name:   MartiniMan - Subject:   Speaking of idiot socialists feeling the Bern Date:   7/23/2019 2:24:43 PM (updated 7/23/2019 2:51:42 PM)

Socialism's primary tenet is the ownership or control of the means of production and is primarily an economic system.  Can be done by actual ownership or some other form of govt control.  Communism is just a strain of socialism where there is one-party control and dissent is not allowed and is a political as well as economic ideology.  Communism also advocates a classless society with equal outcomes (misery) where socialism, because it is an economic system can exist in a society that has differences in outcome.  They are simply different degrees of the same failed ideology.  But at their core is govt control of the means of production and dissemination of the fruits of production.

That's why people that want to claim utopia's like Sweden or Norway are socialist countries is absolutely false.  These countries have capitalist economic systems with high social spending.  They are not socialist because the govt neither owns nor controls the means of production.