Name:   Talullahhound - Subject:   Further Evidence Date:   11/22/2019 1:42:28 PM

On the whole, I agree with your assessment. And for the life of me, I can't think of anything that I learned that I didn't already know. Schiff's little speeches each day were the prime example of the Kangeroo court he ran, and other than Pelosi's inability to stand up to him, I have no idea why the Intelligence Committee was running it instead of the Foreign Relations Committee.

But the truth of the matter is that "someone" wanted to use Ukraine to try to get to Biden.  At the end of the day, Ukraine got everything they wanted - the phone call, the visit, their security assistance and I believe our relationship with Ukraine is still intact. So while all of the surrounding events were outside the norm, no lasting harm was done, and at the end of the day, there is no reason to impeach Trump. 

I voted for Trump in 2016, given the choice between him and Hilary.  He has disappointed me in many ways - I thought he would settle into the job and realize the tactics he had used in the past were not going to work for in while he was the President. But he hasn't.  I like that he has tackled his campaign promises, even though they were the hard stuff.  Immigration.  As they say, you can always take a hard stand right up front and then gradually loosen up; but you can't start off soft and get harder.  He at least attempted to tackle everything he said he would, no matter how much the Democrats scream and cry.  

My fears about Trump are still that he believes whatever Putin tells him.  I think Fiona Hill, make it pretty clear that Putin doesn't love us and his objectives have not changed.  He messed with the election in 2016 and he plans to do so in 2020.  While she may have been personally offended by what Trump did, she is an internationally recognized expert on Putin and Russia.  

I don't think that Trump came up with the plan to use the Ukraine.  I think it was pure Giuliani.  Giuliani plays to Trump's worst impulses.  He needs to jettison Guiliani.  I don't know what Guiliani used to be like in the 9/11 era, but I question his judgement now, and he needs to stay off the new media.  

I think the biggest thing behind this is that Democrats know they don't have a strong candidate for 2020.  It scares them.  Let's face it, the Democratic agenda is all over the place.  I don't think they think that Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren can be Trump.