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Name:   Talullahhound The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   Those that don't.....
Date:   1/6/2009 3:58:13 PM

What I read is that they were creating jobs in the FBI. 600K seems a bit high. I thought it was like 60K. The FBI has been saying for years that it is understaffed. And because of the kind of work they do, I don't think they can use a lot of contractors. There are two kinds of government jobs -- "exempt" and "non-exempt" . I was a .exempt employee and worked in an organization of -exempt employees which meant that when they needed to reduce the work force, there would be a RIF. The problem with a RIF, is that seniority and veterans status carries the day. So in a RIF, you end up losing your younger and less senior people. Additionally, RIFs are all about numbers, so generally, you lose your administrative staff and not your professional workforce. There is also something called "bumping rights" so if your job gets cut, you can "bump" someone who has less time or status than you. Disabled veterans are the last ones out the door.

For non-exempt employees, there are no retention rules. Most of the intelligence workforce are non-exempt. The reason for this has always been to allow them to hire the exact skills they need and let them go when they didn't. At the end of the Cold War, a lof of Russian intelligence specialists got let go. Almost all of the National Security Agency is non-exempt and I suspect that the FBI may be non-exempt. The problem with recruiting people for the FBI is that the requirements are quite stringent. The FBI hires lawyers and accountants, and professional law enforcement.

Regarding the creation of Gov't jobs. Our good friend Al Gore, came up with the idea to replace a lot of government people with contractors that could be fired when the work was no longer there and would save the government a bundle on overhead. Well, the truth is that you still pay the overhead, it just comes out of a different pot of money. There are some jobs that are "inherently governmental" that cannot be done by contractors. That includes anything that involves making a policy decision. So while a contractor can do the analysis, the government person has to sign off and make the final decision. One office I took over had 10 contactors, 5 of which no one knew what they did, but the previous Director had retained them because they were "good people" By the time I left, I whittled the number down to two, that were fully employed.

It's a myth that you can't fire people from the government. You can, but it is a cumbersome, time-consuming process that involves a lot of documentation. The manager has to do everything exactly right. Most people quit when they finally understand that they are on the track to get fired. I have never fired anyone, but I managed to make a few retire, and one I had his security clearance on the basis of something that he did. Without a security clearance he couldn't do his job and he resigned.

Probably way more than you wanted to know.

MM, I take exception to your characterization of people working for the government. It's simply not true. I'm not in favor of "big" government, but the.government is necessary. Let the government shut down, and you have no military and the structure that supports them, no social security, no treasury (no money).... You get the idea.
I'm not going to go into it here, but I would be happy to share the details of my government career and what I accomplished, even just in the last 10 years. I think you might be surprised.
Other messages in this thread:View Entire Thread
600K New Gov't Jobs - MartiniMan - 1/6/2009 9:57:41 AM
      Those that don't..... - lamont - 1/6/2009 10:40:02 AM
           Those that don't..... - mbk - 1/6/2009 11:44:16 AM
                Those that don't..... - Talullahhound - 1/6/2009 3:58:13 PM
                     Those that don't..... - JustAGuy - 1/6/2009 4:47:11 PM
                    Like Everything Else - MrHodja - 1/6/2009 5:30:36 PM
                     Those that don't..... - MartiniMan - 1/6/2009 8:28:45 PM
                          Those that don't..... - JustAGuy - 1/6/2009 8:45:51 PM
                               Those that don't..... - lamont - 1/7/2009 8:22:34 AM
                                    Those that don't..... - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 10:54:28 AM
                                         Those that don't..... - JustAGuy - 1/7/2009 1:46:32 PM
                                             Opinions are fine - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 2:29:41 PM
                                                  Opinions are fine - JustAGuy - 1/7/2009 3:37:15 PM
                                                       Opinions are fine - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 6:33:08 PM
                                                            Opinions are fine - JustAGuy - 1/7/2009 7:13:06 PM
                                   Thanks for your support - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 10:58:52 AM
                                    Those that don't..... - JustAGuy - 1/7/2009 1:32:17 PM
                                         Those that don't..... - lamont - 1/7/2009 2:04:05 PM
                         MM, you are wrong - Talullahhound - 1/6/2009 9:08:49 PM
                              MM, you are wrong - JustAGuy - 1/6/2009 9:17:14 PM
                                   You people don't listen - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 10:51:01 AM
                                   Two words for you Guy - Swimmer27 - 1/7/2009 1:37:23 PM
                              Another thing to consider - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 11:17:47 AM
                              US Manufacturing - AUCATZ - 1/7/2009 11:51:34 AM
                                   US Manufacturing - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 2:06:48 PM
                                        US Manufacturing - muddauber - 1/18/2009 8:22:06 AM
     Hard to Believe that - Mack - 1/6/2009 7:24:54 PM
          Hard to Believe that - Talullahhound - 1/7/2009 6:23:42 AM
               Hound.... - MrHodja - 1/7/2009 10:25:00 AM
               Hard to Believe that - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 11:41:23 AM
               Hard to Believe that - Mack - 1/7/2009 12:07:42 PM
     600K New Gov't Jobs - AUCATZ - 1/7/2009 11:48:03 AM
          600K New Gov't Jobs - Talullahhound - 1/7/2009 3:39:24 PM
               600K New Gov't Jobs - MartiniMan - 1/7/2009 6:29:11 PM
                    Well, I did my part - Talullahhound - 1/7/2009 7:55:58 PM
                         Well, I did my part - BoatsRFun - 1/7/2009 9:55:18 PM
                         Well, I did my part - Swimmer27 - 1/8/2009 6:58:22 AM
                              Well, I did my part - Talullahhound - 1/9/2009 8:48:34 AM
                                   You against the disabled? - Swimmer27 - 1/9/2009 5:58:21 PM
                                        No, Are you? - Talullahhound - 1/9/2009 10:08:34 PM
                                        Winning your house? - Talullahhound - 1/9/2009 10:10:53 PM
                                             Winning your house? - Swimmer27 - 1/10/2009 4:46:51 PM
                                                  Didn't See Your Post - Talullahhound - 1/10/2009 9:50:04 PM
                                                       On the contrary - Swimmer27 - 1/11/2009 1:07:15 PM
                                                            On the contrary - Talullahhound - 1/11/2009 7:23:12 PM
                                                                 On the contrary - Swimmer27 - 1/11/2009 8:37:50 PM



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