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MrHodja
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I don't remember....
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5/24/2009 6:00:45 PM
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"You guys" is far too broad a brush to be painting with. I can honestly say that I have never met ANY of the posters on this forum and have only spoken to one over the phone - and that was about a boat maintenance issue.
I do not condone name calling and if I ever do I'll apologize for it. Maybe rather than saying you are a "sick puppy" I should have said mentally imbalanced - in any case you can take up the name calling with those who engage in such behavior - but not me.
I am not angry in the least, but I am seriously concerned about the direction our country is taking. In a serious debate I would tell you that I think the Bush administration made some serious mistakes, but it would have to be in a give and take, not anything like the animosity I see on this forum.
It really disturbs me that one of the first things the Obama administration and Democratic Congress did was to spend literally trillions of dollars - on what I am still not sure - money that we don't have to spend and that our kids and grandkids will have to pay back. It really bothers me that the egregious and irresponsible spending has all of a sudden become yesterday's news and nobody seems to be alarmed any more.
I have not traveled as extensively as many, but have spent time in over a half dozen foreign countries and lived in two. Each has its attractive points, but none come anywhere close to the USA in quality of life, opportunity, and the pursuit of happiness. Ours is not a perfect country, but theirs is far more imperfect and what I see from Obama is leading us straight to where they are now.
If there are indeed serious wrongs to right, your vitriol is going to do nothing but further entrench those who don't share your opinion. You have said some things that made me stop and think - but I have to get past my emotional reaction before I can addrss yuour logic and reason.
You seem to paint the people in the Bush administration as evil. Overly strident, maybe, maybe not. You can't argue with their results. You might argue that the same results could have been achieved through less strident means, but that doesn't make them evil. Given the situation theirs was the solution with the highes chance of success.
As to Gitmo being a recruiting tool, I don't know. Maybe so - maybe not. My experience with the US military is that we didn't do something on a whim, and I suspect that was the case here. If a grenade is launched from a hous occupied by three men, how are we to know which is the terrorist and which an innocent bystander? Maybe we arrest all three and guarantee ourselves we got the trigger man. Any other solution (except maybe theirs which would be to kill all three) leaves open the possibility that a terrorist goes free to kill another day.
So, to sum it up for now, we live in a world of shades of grey. The lesson I would hope we learned from 9/11 is this: Do whatever is necessary to ensure it doesn't happen again". Some of the methods chosen to do that may anger parts of our citizenry, but in my book err on the side of ensuring our homeland safety.
Now, if you choose to cherry-pick and take potshots at what I said I will disengage and never answer another of yur posts. Engage in civil discourse - willing to hear my points as well as espouse yours, and we may make some progress.
Nasreddin Hodja
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