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JMSD
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Things that make you go hmmmm.
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4/4/2006 8:02:30 AM
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1. For all of those people out there who don't seem to think that the statistics that The Daily Home provided were accurate, the burden of proof is on YOU. All of the statistics that they provided were matter of public record, anyone can get those statistics by simply requesting them. So check it out for yourself and see that you are still WRONG, little boats and personal craft are more prevelant on the lake and more prone to have accidents.
2. As far as this new legislation (that is a crock), here is a reality check for you: It is not the size or the speed of the boat that matters; what matters is the person who is behind the wheel! I mean come on people, are you telling me that you would start a legislation to ban 18 wheelers from our roadways because they drive too fast and have accidents? I think NOT!
3. Mr. Bronson, after reviewing your statement in The Daily Home, I have come to the comclusion that once the Army has braonwashed you into thinking that when one person does wrong, (ie. driving under the influence or speeding) EVERYONE gets punished for the stupidity of one. My husband is in the Army and I am a proud AMERICAN, but the Army is not the most logical thinking branch of the military! With that said why should all people that are on the lakewith boats longer than 26 feet 11 inches and go faster than 60 MPH be punished for the mistakes of a few idiots?
I tell you the things that make you go HMMMMMMMM......
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Osms
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Can you...
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4/4/2006 8:29:55 AM
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say undesirable...U-N-D-E-S-I-R-A-B-L-E. These types of boats and the activities of the boaters appear to have been deemed undesirable on Lakes Harris, Weiss, and Martin. YEA!!!
You can't drive an 18 wheeler 80 mph in downtown Birmingham, it's too congested. But you can drive a loud/fast boat 80 mph in the Gulf because that's where it belongs.
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JMSD
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Can you...
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4/4/2006 8:38:37 AM
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UNDESIRABLE...HMMMM...the problem with that is what you find undesirable another may find pleasurable! Have you ever been in ATLANTA (way more congested than Birmingham) 18 wheelers drive faster than some of the idiots driving cars around there? You seem to have an issue with the speed that these boats can do. But what you are failing to see is that many of the smaller boats can actually go faster and yet they are not banning any boat that can do over 60 MPH...just the "big" boats.
Remeber I am an outsider...looking in...I do not live on Lake Martin but I have been on the lake many times and seem to think that this new law is just a way for the big man to make money and to put the little people down!
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Osms
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One step at a time.....
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4/4/2006 8:53:44 AM
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Catboat's theme these days is get a smaller boat and go faster. Seems ill advised to me to try to thumb your nose at the rest of the world this early. If this law doesn't wake up people---maybe an enforceable speed limit of 50 mph will work. Then what are the owners of one year old $80K boats going to do. Best to take the advice of the government and go elsewhere to terrorize.
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ALSCN
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One step at a time.....
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4/4/2006 9:23:24 AM
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I don't think it is that Cat Boat is trying to tell everyone to buy smaller boats that go faster, as much as he is trying to point out exactly how bizarre this law is. It makes no sense. I don't know why you have to be so negative all the time. Relax a little.
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BigFoot
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Things that make you go hmmmm.
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4/4/2006 9:39:12 AM
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Although trying to steer clear of this debate, again I must comment here. As far as the proposed legislation, it has a smell of greedy politics and
private agendas, but attacking Dick Bronson is just plain wrong. I know
of no other person who has worked as hard as Mr. Bronson to keep
Lake Martin the great body of water that it is today. Anyone who uses and enjoys our beautiful lake owes a debt of gratitude to Mr. Bronson. To attack him the way you did simply shows that you either do not know
him and all he has done---or you really don't care much yourself for
Lake Martin.
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JMSD
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One step at a time.....
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4/4/2006 9:39:57 AM
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The definition of terrorize as found in Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
1 : to fill with terror or anxiety
2 : to coerce by threat or violence
Man the negativity is getting really thick in here! Someone should create a poll to see how many people feel "terrorized" by the big boats! Do you not think the word terrorize is a bit strong for the purpose that you have used it? I mean, members of al-Qaeda terrorize and now the "big" boats on Lake Martin terrorize????
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Some people love horses. Assuming you live in a residential neighborhood, do you want your next door neighbor to keep 4 or 5 in his back yard?
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CAT BOAT
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One step at a time.....
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4/4/2006 10:25:15 AM
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OSMS, I don't have a theme. My customers are requesting speed in smaller boats. If I had a theme, it would be to put a speed limit on Lake Martin for EVERY boat, and not descriminate any size. If the law read "minimum speed 50mph, like some interstates, would you like it?
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ShoeFly
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CHILL OUT OSAMA
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4/4/2006 10:28:47 AM
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now here is Osama actually mentioning terrorizing!!!! Wow!!
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Who has said the statistics are wrong. A few have correctly pointed out that they are meaningless without comparing them to the total number of boats on the lake in a particular class.
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Osms
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One step at a time.....
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4/4/2006 2:02:50 PM
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Cat boat, you were the first person to mention smaller high speed boats to circumvent the proposed law. My point is that you appear to be using that as a possible threat that people will just circumvent the law--maybe, but it's hard to circumvent the size portion of the law. You made a special point to mention it in the Daily Home article.
My point is if people do 'buy smaller and faster', then they only invite further restrictions. I agree with a speed limit on everyone; what speed would you suggest and how to inforce?
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CAT BOAT
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One step at a time.....
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4/4/2006 2:23:31 PM
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First, I did'nt know that I would see that many customers downgrading in size, and adding speed. Never really thought of it until I saw it happen. I was actually kind of surprised. It is not a ploy to get around the bill. But it works like this... less boat size cost less money. And those owning HI-dollar performance boats are used to spending lots of money. So, if you spend less on a smaller boat, that free's up more money to spend on the engine. Sorry you took it the wrong way. And concerning the speed limit... I would be in favor of a 50, or 60mph speed limit. That way, the folks that use there boats on the lake could indeed still own a fast larger boat and still use them on poker runs across the southeast. A holiday weekend, or crowded lake day is NOT the time for any boat to be operated at high speeds. But, you can bet, the 26 footers would be doing it, that is for sure. That is all I was getting at.
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CAT BOAT
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One step at a time.....
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4/4/2006 2:37:59 PM
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And the enforcement question. I don't know how the most effective way could be done. I guess M/P precence would alone help. I am not sure they are funded well enough to have radar guns and more officers. But, I am not sure they can enforce the proposed law as it is written now! I can't see the M/P measuring a boat with a tape really. I can't see them deciding what the top speed is on a 28' performance boat either. But, that is just my observation for what it is worth.
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roswellric
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Great point but
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4/4/2006 3:51:37 PM
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I think it is a Mason-Dixon thing.
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JohnGalt
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Can you...
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4/4/2006 5:17:52 PM
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That would probably be covered by the zoning laws in that particular area or neighborhood covenants. Also, were the horses there before you purchased the home.
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WSMS
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Things that make you go hmmmm.
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4/5/2006 2:10:50 AM
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"As far as this new legislation (that is a crock), here is a reality check for you: It is not the size or the speed of the boat that matters; what matters is the person who is behind the wheel! I mean come on people, are you telling me that you would start a legislation to ban 18 wheelers from our roadways because they drive too fast and have accidents? I think NOT!"
18-wheelers are already banned from some roadways. And, on some roads where they are not banned, they are restricted as to which lanes they may occupy. Which is the essence of this legislation: removing boats of a certain size from bodies of water where their use is not appropriate. Notice that it's not a bill to ban the boats; it's to ban them from some bodies of water. Not ALL, but SOME. One of them just happens to be this one.
As far as the "it's not the size of the boat, it's the driver" arguement... that's not completely without merit. On the other hand, which is likely to cause more damage in a collision-- an inflatable rowbaot, or a cabin cruiser weighing thousands of pounds? Even if the rowboat is piloted by a drunk six-year old, and the cruiser is piloted by a sober, capable and experienced captain, physics-- mass, energy, force, and so on-- decrees that the larger boat will cause more damage in an accident. And accidents happen, and someitimes it doesn't matter who is at the wheel, because you can't control the other guy.
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