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Name:	Feb -	Reply
Subject:	Question About Sarah
Date:	9/9/2008 9:30:50 PM

A couple of days ago there was a short blurb (couple of page into the paper) either in the B'ham or Montgomery newspaper stating the Republican VP choice had attended 5 colleges in 6 years to obtain her degree. I read both papers and do not recall which of the two it was in.

I am not placing any value judgements one way or the other, but it caught my attention. Is this in fact true? And if so, is there an explanation as to why so long and why so many different Universities? Seems rather strange, but there maybe a good explanation. ???

Name:	Feb -	Reply
Subject:	Question About Sarah
Date:	9/9/2008 9:42:19 PM

Here is a different Link.

If there is any truth or explanation. It is hard to tell in this particular election.

URL: Education

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	This is better
Date:	9/9/2008 10:08:34 PM

URL: Watch this

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	?? Which is it ??
Date:	9/9/2008 10:45:54 PM

URL: Which is it??

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Question About Sarah
Date:	9/10/2008 7:42:41 AM

The question I have it whether it is important to your decision in November or are you just curious. I have several very successful, well adjusted friends that attended multiple schools so my gut tells me it is not a big issue but we each have our primary criteria. What is a big issue for me are her views on government and her actions as Governor.

Much of what I have seen I like and so far the ad hominum attacks on her and her family tend to make me think that there are no deal killers. Most of what the Obama campaign knows about her comes from a 60-page attack piece put together by the Democrat party in Alaska during her run as Governor. Like all politicians she has her share of detractors but an 80% approval rating in the state to me indicates her appeal crosses party lines. That is encouraging in this age of partisanship.

We wil see what Obama's 30 lawyers that they recently sent to Alaska to dig up dirt on her come up with. So much for him being the reformer as this is politics as usual in response to politics as usual. I was disappointed that Obama rejected McCain's offer to have a series of town hall meetings across the country as I think that would have been refreshing and give us more insight into how each might govern. I was also disappointed when Obama reneged on his promise to take Federal funding. I know his reason was the 527 money that the right would spend but the fact is that in the last election left-leaning 527s spent more, and that doesn't include unions that spend tens to hundreds of millions, almost all in support of the Democrat candidate. I really think he came to the conculsion that he would outraise his opponent and was convinced not to give away that advantage. I can't say that I blame him but it certainly is another fact that is at odds with his reformer moniker (which is important because that seems to be his primary argument for why we should elect him President).

I am no great fan of John McCain but I just see zero evidence that Obama is the reformer he claims to be and his resume to me doesn't seem very suited to the job. He is a very bright, articulate, accomplished man but I think he needs more time as a Senator and maybe a stint as the Governor of Illinois. These are dangerous times in the world and at home and I strongly believe that now is not the time to elect such an unknown commodity. I think had the Democrat party not believed during the primaries that the White House was a fait accompli cooler heads would have prevailed and Hillary would have been the nominee. If so, I think she would have beaten McCain fairly easily given the dynamics of this cycle. As it stands now, Obama to me still seems more likely than not to win but it is now at least a horse race.

As for me, I will vote for McCain-Palin. Good luck with your deliberations.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Bravo !
Date:	9/10/2008 9:56:21 AM

Bravo, Bravo !

Well said.

Name:	ALSCN -	Reply
Subject:	Question About Sarah
Date:	9/10/2008 10:49:01 AM

Also, MM, did you notice earlier this week, cnn was reporting that Alaskans are due their biggest resident payout on record? Over $3,000 for each resident. Obviously the governor of that state knows how to handle things.

Name:	Feb -	Reply
Subject:	Question About Sarah
Date:	9/10/2008 11:17:04 AM

I think it has pretty well been this way every since they ran the pipeline up there. The rest of us pay them for the commodity. Not sure Gov. Palin has had anything to do with it.

Alaska has some benefits if you can stand the negatives. LOL

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Question About Sarah
Date:	9/10/2008 11:34:00 AM

Odd that the resisdents didn't get it until she was govenor and no other govenor has an 80% approval rating, so the residents must give her credit. But I am sure you know more than the residents. A typical liberal that wants to throw darts because they have no successes to point to for their candidate.

Name one, just one thing that Obama did that you can be proud of.

- How about William Aeres? Admitted terrorist. Said he is friends. Oh but that was a long time ago he did the bombings. Is that a reason to forgive when the guys says he wishes he did more.

- How about Rev Wright - denounced America while Obama sat there and called him his friend. Said GD America and the US of K.K.K. It wasn't until his friend "Rev Wright" said something bad about Obama.

- Maybe his work as a community organizer. The "projects" are all boarded up and filled with dope dealers. Great work.

- How about voting "present" more than he has ever voted for or against legislation.

- How about all the legislation he authored or co-authored .... oh wait, I am sorry there was none.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Who should we Pay?
Date:	9/10/2008 11:42:56 AM

I would rather pay one of the states in our own country for the commodity than pay it to foreign countries to the tune of $700 billion a year. Imagine if even half of that stayed in this country.

But the answer Obama through out is inflate your tires and get a tune up and we will not have to drill. Great energy strategy. He does not even have a plan to implement. Now he talks about a 10 year goal to alternative fuels. Great, but what about today. It needs to be releasing known reserves in our country for drilling, expanding neuclear which every other country does ... it is cheap and safe. Better utilization of natural gas in commercial and maybe personal vehicles. Expanding wind power.

Name:	Feb -	Reply
Subject:	Who should we Pay?
Date:	9/10/2008 12:08:24 PM

Who said I said anything one way or the other LTL. I ask a question I never got an answer to. I also thought and still think one of the main reasons the Alaskan Citizens received payments each year from their State Government and paid no State Income Tax was because of the sharing of oil company payments to the State for the pipe line.

If I am wrong, then someone point it out to me.

Lets just be fair to each candidate and stay witth the facts. I will make my own choice, and you have no idea whether I am going to vote Republican or Democrat.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Who should we Pay?
Date:	9/10/2008 12:27:40 PM

Feb: I didn't reply to your question because I don't know the answer to why she moved schools. I just stated that it wasn't important to me. It may well be an important issue to you and if there are enough others that want an answer I am sure someone in the media or the Obama campaign will find out. Everyone has to weigh all the information and make an informed decision about who they will vote for in November. For me, I am so ideologically, culturally, politically and economically at odds with Obama's liberal viewpoints that I could never vote for him. I am also at odds with McCain on a number of issues but view him as significantly the lesser of two evils.

As for the payouts to Alaskans, I am almost certain that has happened many times in the past under other Governors. Alaska is blessed with an abundance of oil and taxes on oil companies generate revenues that allow them to operate their state government without some of the taxes that other states levy. It just is that way. As for Governor Palin's popularity in Alaska, I wouldn't just attribute it to the payouts to Alaska citizens because that has happened before. I don't know what the answer is but it is clearly bipartisan which is unusual in the current political environment.

Good luck with your discernment and frankly I would rather you vote, even if for a choice different than mine, than sit on the sidelines complaining like so many others.

Name:	Swimmer27 -	Reply
Subject:	Why drag me into this?
Date:	9/10/2008 1:08:05 PM

This post is trolling. You are accusing me of using multiple aliases again. I don't. You do, or did while the ban was in place. What is it, you think anybody that disagrees with you has to be me? Thats insane. You will find that your liberal, inside the beltway, opinions aren't going to be popular in Alabama. Get used to it.

It just so happens that I know the answer to your question. She changed schools due to not coming from a life of priviledge. Her parents were/are of meager means. She had to go where she could get scholarships and other financial aide. She won several 'scholarship pagents' aka beauty pagents to help pay her way through. I admire her tenacity to keep going back till she got what she wanted, a college degree.

Name:	Feb -	Reply
Subject:	Who should we Pay?
Date:	9/10/2008 3:22:56 PM

Thanks MartiniMan, I agree with a lot of what you posted and in particular the choices we lack.

Mine was a serious question, and I bet we will hear political answers to both sides of the question in the near future.

Not that you did so, but it gets tiring hearing, not just on the Forum but elsewhere,
how this individual is held in such high esteem when we actually know little about her. This in not as much anyone's fault, including hers, as how new her selection is at this point.

Future debates should be most interesting, and in my opinion - I along with every American should not be swayed by Party lines but by the Candidate. Yes, I will be accused of being idealistic.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Question About Sarah
Date:	9/10/2008 4:34:36 PM

Not a liberal, just wanting to be informed. Got this from the Hannity site so extremely doubtful HE or his site could be called "liberal"

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - It's the season for Alaskans to be rewarded just for living here and this year's take is extra sweet: $3,269, a record share of the state's oil wealth combined with a special cash payout to help with stratospheric energy prices. Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell announced Friday that every eligible man, woman and child will receive $2,069, thanks to this year's annual payment from the state's oil royalty program. On top of that, the checks will include an additional $1,200 from the state treasury to help offset soaring fuel prices.
The one-time energy boost was proposed by Gov. Sarah Palin in May and approved by state lawmakers last month. "The royalty dollars that flow through the state are the people's wealth," said Parnell. "The $1,200 resource rebate goes to that philosophy."
In addition to the $1,200 payments, the Legislature also approved Palin's proposal to suspend the state's 8-cents-a-gallon gasoline tax for a year.
Past dividend payments ranged from $331 to $1,963 in 2000. Last year's payout was $1,654. People must live in Alaska one calendar year to qualify. In all, 610,768 people are receiving the dividend this year. The state's estimated population is just under 680,000.
The fund was established in 1976 after North Slope oil was discovered. Including the upcoming dividends, the fund has yielded $16.5 billion to Alaskans since the first payout of $1,000 in 1982, according to the state Revenue Department.
That's not counting this year's extra energy relief money, which alone totals $730 million.

What I really love is that we as a people do not seem to want to do any research into what statements are laid out as facts and go on personality of a person in a 15-20 minute speech.

I will be interested to see what happens in the debates and if McClain will let Palin answer any questions and if she will debate Biden.

It is hard for me to believe that Palin is the best person out there to be Vice President and it is appears that McClain picked her simply to get the women vote - which is as offensive to me as people saying women should vote for Hillary simply because she is a woman.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Why drag me into this?
Date:	9/10/2008 5:23:28 PM

You wrote "It just so happens that I know the answer to your question. She changed schools due to not coming from a life of priviledge. Her parents were/are of meager means. She had to go where she could get scholarships and other financial aide. She won several 'scholarship pagents' aka beauty pagents to help pay her way through."

you must have gone to one site, found the one thing that worked for you and then ran with it.

Here is another reason she went to so many different schools... (AP article 9/4/08)

Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin seems to have switched colleges at least six times in six years, including two stints at the University of Idaho before graduating from there in 1987.

Federal privacy laws prohibit the schools from disclosing her grades, and none of the schools contacted by The Associated Press could say why she transferred. There was no indication any were contacted as part of the background investigation of Palin by presidential candidate John McCain's campaign.

"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.

Palin, the governor of Alaska, was born in Idaho. Her family moved when she was only a few months old to Alaska, where she was raised.

According to a biography — "Sarah" by Kaylene Johnson — Palin and three friends went to the University of Hawaii at Hilo after graduation from high school in Alaska in 1982. But they left after a few weeks because of the constant rain there, the book said.

The registrar at Hawaii-Hilo has no record that she ever enrolled, school officials said Thursday.

Palin, then known as Sarah Louise Heath, and a friend then traveled to Honolulu and enrolled at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school. She attended only as a freshman during the fall of 1982, school spokeswoman Crystale Lopez said.

She was in the business administration program as a full-time student, Lopez said Thursday.

"We're trying to track down someone who knew her," Lopez added.

From Hawaii Pacific, Palin transferred to North Idaho College, a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring 1983 and fall 1983, spokeswoman Stacy Hudson said.

"We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything," Hudson said.

The school identified one of her professors but he did not remember her, Hudson said.

Prior to her selection by McCain, the North Idaho College Alumni Association notified Palin in June she would be the recipient of its 2008-2009 Distinguished Alumni of the Year Award.

From North Idaho College, Palin transferred 70 miles south to the University of Idaho, the state's flagship institution. She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast news. She attended Idaho, whose mascot is the Vandals, from fall 1984 to spring 1985.

She then returned to Alaska to attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer in fall 1985.

Then she returned to Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated. Despite her journalism degree, she does not appear to have worked for the college newspaper or campus television station, school officials said. She worked briefly as a sportscaster for KTUU in Anchorage after she graduated college.

Personally, I could care less where she went or how long it took her - more power to her and really, isn't that what being young is all about? Searching and finding what works for you? After being in Alaska all those years, I don't blame her in the least for going to Hawaii.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Why drag me into this?
Date:	9/10/2008 6:23:33 PM

I think time will tell with Ms. Palin. Her inclusion on the McCain ticket does not make me more likely to vote for McCain. I believe he really wanted to pick Lieberman, but the party knew that would be political suicide. So I think they went with her to try to grab white women who were upset that Hilary didn't get the Dem nomination. Her lifetime NRA membership would appease those worried about gun control, and her right-to-life stance would appease the religious right wing conservatives, who don't think McCain is conservative enough for them. Additionally, her non-manangement husband would likely appeal to the blue collar population. I watch political analysts while I have my morning coffee and many of them seemed to agree with this assessment of the McCain choice.

Her changing colleges doesn't bother me -- it's all well in her past and she's a mature woman. I am interested in hearing how she handles herself in the debates. It's one thing to give a speech in a well-chosen audience of people that are already inclined to agree with her views; however, it's quite another to respond to questions and explain your views.

Both sides are so busy touting "change" but I would really like to know more about the specifics of change. And I have to say in the initial Dem debates, I thought that Joe Biden was the best spoken.

McCain's age and well known temper bother me; and Palin's inexperience bother me, should she have to assume the Presidency.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Its called Experience !
Date:	9/10/2008 7:52:18 PM

How come liberal democrats feel there needs to be a reason to pick a women running mate? Republican look at best qualified, black or white, women or man. Palin was picked because of her executive experience and accomplishments. Unfortunately no one on the democratic side has any excutive experience running anything. And the top of the ticket has ZERO accomplishments. Name one!! No one can. Not a single piece of legislation that he authored or co-authored. He voted "present" more than he ever took a position on an issue. The man can not make a decision or come up with his own ideas.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Its called Experience ! LOL
Date:	9/10/2008 9:15:43 PM

"Republican look at best qualified, black or white, women or man." This is the best joke I have read on the forum is the past two years.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Who should we Pay?
Date:	9/10/2008 9:39:28 PM

I think we will get to know her better over the next 2 months but frankly very few people pick the President because of the VP nod. The rule is usually "do no harm". In this case, McCain was having trouble connecting with the base in the party. Like it or not the pick up to now has been prescient. Suddenly we have Obama and Biden apparently running against the VP which diminishes them. I think that McCain also recognized that the liberal media and netroots can't help themselves and would go on the attack. This only makes Palin more sympathetic to women voters who did not like the way Hillary was supposedly treated.

We will know on November 4th whether this was a good pick but as of today it has worked well for McCain. If she holds her own with Biden in the debate and doesn't make a gaffe on the stump or in media interviews she will most likely be a net positive for what looked like a losing effort. There have been few times when a VP pick actually made a difference (last one was probably LBJ who carried Texas and Alabama for for JFK).

I would say that I am mildly optimistic that she will do fine but if not, then we can read all the tell-all books about what a buffoon McCain was for picking an unknown Governor from Alaska. If they win, he's brilliant and Obama will be eaten alive for picking Biden. Gotta love politics!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Its called Experience !
Date:	9/10/2008 10:57:34 PM

OH MY WORD... can you possibly be serious about this? ROFL You must not know anything about Washington politics. Waterwatcher, maybe you need to start watching the political analysts with your morning coffee, instead of reading those same old conservative websites. I don't expect you to change your mind, just try to expand your mind and come up with some new stuff.

Name:	want2beonlake -	Reply
Subject:	Its called Experience !
Date:	9/11/2008 6:10:10 AM

Wow, you actually typed that didn't you? Worse still, you actually believe it.

If you really think that any of these four are the best we have to run this country I feel for you.

In the mind of the political parties they simply represent the best chance each party felt they have to win in November.

Also, please explain why it seems Republicans cannot carry on a conversation without name calling? And why is the worse you can come up with is "liberal democrat"?

Palin is the best qualified of the remaining Republicans to be a heart beat away from the Presidency? Wow.

Why don't you try doing some objective reading about ALL of the candidates rather than just the sites that work for you - it might be enlightening.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Funny
Date:	9/11/2008 7:46:30 AM

It is so funny that you can say ... oh you are wrong ... yet I have asked over and over again to point to one thing ... just one thing that Obama has accomplished. Anything you can be proud of to say he is qualified.

Until you do that, you can not say Palin or mcain lack the qualifications. Both have a list of accomplishments. And my point was Palin has proven executive experience. She has run the largest state in the union. Again what has Obama done .... please, just give me one thing.

I would rather have someone like Palin "a heartbeat away" with experience than someone enter office with "no experience" and ""no accomplishments".

Running a state is a daily job making executive decisions. Obama was a community organizer, and a failure at that. Stated projects that are now all boarded up (FACT). He has been a senetor for less time Palin has beed running a state. But while senator he did nothing ... not one thing ... not one piece of legislation ... not even co authored. The as for voting on other peoples legislation he voted "present" more times than he voted for or against anything.

And since the senate is not in session every day like you need to be as a govenor, if you subtract the days he was not there and has been running for office, he has less than 1 year of even senate experience.

So this is your chance .... help us all understand the accomplishments of Obama. Remember we are electing a President ... so if someone does not have 100% experience they need, I would rather have it in the #2 position than the #1 position.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Odd Reply ... very odd !
Date:	9/11/2008 10:09:20 AM

As a black person, I see the democrats talk about being the party for minorities ... yet all I see is the republicans taking action. There are more blacks, minorities and women in the last two Bush administrations than any other Democratic administration. Maybe thats because smart blacks, minorities and women are all republican. Who knows.

But I would rather be with a party that actually promotes diversity through actions rather than just talk about it.

I am still waiting on someone .... anyone to give me Obama's accomplishments that makes him so qualified to be President. Yet the same people that can't do that will say Sarah Palin is just a heartbeat away in the #2 spot .... yet she has a track record of accomlishements and experience that is far better than Obama. Although, that can be said for just about anyone since Obama has NONE!

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