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Talullahhound
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What Goes Around?
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6/16/2009 4:19:28 PM
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Someone sent me a link to a YouTube piece by a conservative about how we should be taking to the streets in protest since our elected officials no longer listen to us. We should have mass demonstrations (such as the "tea parties") to let our officials know we're not going to stand for it.
That got me thinking about the 60-early 70s, when people took to the street and had demonstrations protesting the Viet Nam war because the government wasn't listening to the people. I was a teenager then, but I remember the reaction of the older, conservative population (that would have been my parents and the parents of my friends).
So now older, Conservatives want us to take to the streets in protest...
Funny.
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alahusker
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Well...
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6/16/2009 6:35:50 PM
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Hope the character of the protests change.. Returned from the war in 1973 after years of being separated from my wife and 2 very young children.. Was spit on in Los Angeles.. But you have to agree, it worked, we abandoned a cause I personally believed was just and a war we had all but won..
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Talullahhound
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I would hope
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6/16/2009 7:40:35 PM
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that the nature of the protests would change. The troops certainly deserve our respect. I'm sorry you had to experience that when you came back from VietNam.
I guess I just found it ironic that then protests were bad and now they are good. Either way, Washington pretty much does what it wants.
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alahusker
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Not really ironic..
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6/16/2009 7:58:51 PM
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If you are a believer in a cause, do what you think is right if it's legal and done with a degree of civility.. Personally, I'm very concerned with evolving policies and direction of this wonderful Nation.. Would go to a 'tea party' if the venue was dignified and consistent with my beliefs.. I would also deck the first dude that spit on someone that had counter beliefs..
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water_watcher
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What Goes Around?
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6/17/2009 7:23:04 AM
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People in the 60's may not have agreed with the war, but it was not a crime. Back then it was the law to register to vote and serve your country. I just missed having to go. I was the in the final year of the draft and had a very low number, but the war was pretty much over by then (thanks to republican Nixon) and did not have to go.
There is nothing wrong with protesting to voice your view, but it went too far in the 60's ... they were protesting a war through violence ... does not make sense.
Some of what is going on in Washington right now makes me sick. More government power and control of our lives. More taxes, more socialism. As I have pointed out, historically (last 50 years) the percent of GDP that the government controlled has been under 40%. Just since BO took office that has gone to 47% and if he gets his healthcare plan it will be 54% .... we will then be a socialist country.
To me that is a crime (socially) and is worth protesting and taking back control of our lives. Remember ... it is Government for the People, by the People ..... that is not what BO is doing. And please don't say he won the election ... if he was honest with his plan, he would not have been elected.
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lamont
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Tea Parties....
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6/17/2009 8:29:46 AM
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Didn't really see a whole lot of violence in these demonstrations however, I do seem to remember some damages from the 60's rebellions. Jes sayin.
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Talullahhound
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What Goes Around?
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6/17/2009 9:32:05 AM
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Protest is still protest.
Instead of organizing silly protests, GOP should be coming up with Ideas.
I hardly ever watch Hard Ball, but something he said the other night was true -- the Republicans are out there whispering in the wind "oh be afraid, be very afraid", but the truth is, they haven't put forward one solid idea yet. So they are left trying to promote fear.
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Swimmer27
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What Goes Around?
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6/17/2009 10:09:32 AM
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Republican promoting FEAR? How fuuny. This just shows how out of touch you are with the reality of American politics. The big O was ELECTED on NOTHING BUT FEAR!
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Summer Lover
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What Goes Around?
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6/17/2009 10:33:03 AM
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I have to disagree with you on one point - I feel that BO was VERY forthcoming with his plans for this country during his campaign. Too many people in this country are tired of working and being responsible for their own actions, and he won their vote legitimately. He championed Socialism, "we" heard that and voted for him
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lamont
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So True...
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6/17/2009 2:55:31 PM
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Talullahhound
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You'll Have to Explain
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6/17/2009 5:41:15 PM
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how you came to that conclusion.
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I never heard anything that made me think that Obama was pushing socialism. And I still have heard or seen him do anything that leads me to that conclusion.
If you listen to the economists, about half said we had to do the bailouts. I don't like bailouts, but I've never won a Nobel prize for economics either. And health care -- well I'm waiting to hear some kind of plan. Interestingly, I don't hear the Republicans putting forth an alternate plan. This health care has been kicked around since the Clintons. So in 8 years, why didn't Republicans fix health care?
I haven't seen a massive bailout for poor people that Republicans said was coming.
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alahusker
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Huh?
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6/17/2009 6:48:01 PM
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Well hound.. what are we fixing?? What's broke with health care?? Went to the doc today, and it's probably going to cost me $15.. I'll pay gladly..
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Talullahhound
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What's broken?
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6/17/2009 8:38:40 PM
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For me, nothing; except that my health care plan costs are going up in the double digits every year. And the plan is adjusting what it covers; i.e., used to cover 100% of diagnostics, now only covers 80%. I'm not old enough for Medicare and if everything I've read is true, it'll be bankrupt before I can ever collect that which I've paid into for year.
I'm lucky in that I can afford health insurance.
But, so many people don't have health care insurance and can't afford an individual plan. I know people who don't go to the Dr. because they can't afford it. These are people that work.
I don't want the government to create another health care system. But, I would like to see them to come up with a way for people to join an affordable group plan when their employer doesn't offer one.
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Summer Lover
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Huh?
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6/17/2009 11:19:32 PM
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What steps should we take to control healthcare costs?
- We can limit “unnecessary tests” as is proposed by our President.
- We can limit provider compensation - also proposed by our President.
- We can limit diagnostic tests/labs such as MRI’s – see Canada
- We can cap malpractice awards (and insurance costs for providers) although our President says this would not be “fair” to patients.
- We can limit treatment of those who are too old or too sick – see Europe and Canada.
We have the best overall healthcare system in the world right now, but give us time.
We have a country where you are rewarded for working hard, but give us time.
You wanted change – you got it – no wait needed.
Welcome to Socialism.
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Swimmer27
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Hound....
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6/18/2009 12:08:01 AM
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There are options available. Every year BC/BS advertises open enrollment in the fall. One can purchase an individual policy for under 200/mo. Pre-existing conditions are disallowed for a year and then they are covered. Another option is to join a Chamber of Commerce. Not all, but many have plans in place where members purchase 'group' policies through them.
Just about any child is elegible for some type of government health plan now up to age 18. Here it is called AlaCare. Some estimate that up to half of the uninsured nationwide are already eleigible for govermnet subsidized health care now. They just don't apply.
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The truth is, we don't have the best health care system in the world. We have the best health care system for those that can afford to pay.
I don't think we will end up with socialized medicine. Have you read the articles about the number of Drs. that refuse to accept Medicare patients?
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Summer Lover
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But
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6/18/2009 10:55:19 AM
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Most people in this country work to be rewarded - for most of us, that reward is money. The reason so many MD's are not Medicare assigned is that the Government does not give providers what they consider to be worthwhile to treat patients. If someone goes to school for eight or more years, assumes responsibility for the lives of others, pays malpractice insurance premiums that would bankrupt most of the citizens of this country - I think they should be well-paid. I understand that we have issues that need to be addressed with regards to healthcare, but equalizing everyone on a lower level makes no sense. It is about like raising the price of carbon energy prices to the point that green choices are economical, instead of working to lower the costs of green.
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Talullahhound
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I agree
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6/18/2009 11:36:11 AM
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That's why I don't want to see the health care system dismantled or overhauled to something unrecognizable.
Until Swimmer's post, I didn't realize that there was a group option like that.
I don't see why we can't have a multi-layered system.
I've read articles about some Drs. who have stopped taking insurance all together and formed a cooperative with their patients.
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Summer Lover
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I agree
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6/18/2009 11:59:24 AM
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What you are describing is a medical concierge service, and for about $1500 - $3000 a year you can join the club. Even in the USSR there were socioeconomic classes, all comes back to that “Golden Rule” does it not? :-)
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