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architect
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Reading assignment
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11/12/2012 8:09:39 AM
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http://politi.co/TACO4p
Given with kindness and concern
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MrHodja
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Reading assignment
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11/12/2012 10:01:16 AM
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Arhie, that URL looks rather strange, because a two letter domain name (".co") usually indicates a foreign country (.de=Germany, .it=Italy...). So being a computer security guy I am reluctant to go to it. Can you summarize?
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GoneFishin
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Try This
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11/12/2012 11:23:15 AM
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Archie is still celebrating. Try this.........http://politi.com/TACO4p
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MartiniMan
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Meh!
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11/12/2012 11:24:45 AM (updated 11/12/2012 11:30:56 AM)
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I dont take reading assignments from left wing nuts any more than I take advice from them about what the GOP needs to do for electoral success.
My personal favorite is to soften our stance on illegal immigration. I need only refer to what happened after Reagan's amnesty.......next election cycle we got fewer hispanic votes. They are only coming here for the free stuff which is why Obama used taxpayer funds to advertise on Mexican television stations to tell illegals how to come to the US and sign up for food stamps.
Where is John Galt?
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GoneFishin
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Meh!
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11/12/2012 2:15:14 PM
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Continue to keep your head in the sand and lose the Presidential and Senate elections, That's fine with me. Republicans will continue to control the House as a result of redistricting. Be prepared to tell us why you suddenly support anmensty when the Republicans in power push for it.
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Mack
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Meh!
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11/12/2012 3:57:23 PM
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I am afraid that the remaining Republicans will abandon their principles, fall in line with the socialist slide to get re-elected and wave goodbye to the concept of self determination. Those who take grow, while those capable of giving shrink, until at some point, ,the bucket is dry. But, what the heck. It seems that the new majority either does not understand that or does not care. So be it.
Don't see it changing politically.
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MartiniMan
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Wrong conclusion GF but keep dreaming
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11/12/2012 4:05:24 PM (updated 11/12/2012 4:21:43 PM)
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Yeah I know GF, you and all the other left wing nuts are just concerned about our electoral chances and have our best interests at heart. RFLMAO! Funny, I don't recall all this free advice in 2010 when we kicked your butts in the mid terms. But you are falling into the same trap as many others because you get your news from the govt media so its no surprise you are getting this all wrong. Plenty of truly conservative candidates won, including a goodly number of Tea Party favorites like Ted Cruz, Michelle Bachman, etc., even in the face of an onslaught of special interest money to defeat them.
And your conclusion about redistricting is likewise wrong. Gerrymandering cost Allen West by taking away a very safe seat and putting him into a more difficult district. Look it up.
And many of our Senate candidates that lost were not very conservative (i.e., Scott Brown, Linda McMahon, etc.) and many Democrat candidates that won ran as fiscal and/or social conservatives (yes, I know they were lying but they had to do that to win). And the fact that Akin and Murdoch lost because of gaffes that were magnified by the sycophantic media should not give you any comfort. If they had not made those gaffes they would have crushed their Dem opponents but if you want to rely on the missteps of a GOP candidatet to win I wish you luck in the long run. Those mistakes don't happen very often.
And finally, as your beloved NYT pointed out, the nation actually moved further right in this election, just not enough to get rid of TOTUS. Oblamer, the first incumbent to win reelection with fewer votes than he got the first time around. You must be proud....
And on a final note, ask yourself why TOTUS did not win any states with voter ID laws. A coincidence? I think not.
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buzzbuster
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Meh!
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11/12/2012 4:05:55 PM
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Oblamer understands its easier to destroy from inside and he and his left wing nuts are well on their way to doing just that very thing. Some know whats going on and others don't.
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architect
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Reading assignment
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11/12/2012 5:21:27 PM (updated 11/12/2012 5:22:40 PM)
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OK Mr H, I understand your concern. (though it is the correct URL) so simply go to: politico.com and read "The GOP's Media Cocoon". I think you are one of the few people on this forum still open to considering that there is the slightest possibility that the GOP really slopped a bib-full last Tuesday and asking why. I know the true nuts such as MM will, as I stated in a post last week, gladly lead the GOP lemming march into oblivion and irrevalance on "principle". You probably want believe me, but I truly believe that would be a very dangerous turn for the nation. We need reasonable conservative and responsible liberal input into our body politic...the pre-Nov 6 2012 GOP had ceased to offer that reasonable alternative in much the same way the Democrats did in 1972. For the good of the nation and the GOP, I hope they are able to right the ship before they either split into a weak fiscal conservative party and a weak social conservative party, or become modern day Whigs..
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architect
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HAVE ANY OF YOU
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11/12/2012 5:27:12 PM
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actually had the gumption to read the article?
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Mack
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Reading assignment
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11/12/2012 7:41:37 PM
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You are truly a "Fair Weather Fan", you only crow after the winning score. Congrats to you. And, shame on you.
But, you are not facing reality. Money coming "INTO" the treasury is not enough to cover money going "OUT" of the treasury. Called the deficit. It is funded by debt. Interest on that debt is funded by more debt. In a civilian world if that cycle continues it is known as the road to bankruptcy. And that concept is not acceptable to a financial conservative. It is also not conducive to economic recovery if it continues, liberal or conservative. Black or white/green/yellow/purple.
You are obviously a liberal, and I really don't care. And, it really does not matter who is in the Whitehouse, or is the Speaker, or Majority whatever. I am more concerned with the solvency of our nation. Don't look good for now, at all, at all. Economic forces will come into play that will decide our future.
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GoneFishin
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MM
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11/12/2012 8:28:06 PM
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You sources on the rght make you look foolish. The turnout in 2010 was considerably less than 2012 and the right turned out the vote for the house. The off year is much easier to turn as the Tea Party did. You are correct on West which is surprising since the Florida is 100% Republican. They left him out to dry with redistricting. Ryan only won by 2,000 votes and Romney lost the state and Ryan's district. Obviously, it is much easier to win a House seat for a group like the Tea Party but they do not do well statewide.
While you are correct that Obamas popular vote fell, It should be a wake up to the right that they have only won the popular vote 1 time in the last 6 elections. That's 1 time in 24 years!!!!!!!!!!!
And on a final note, ask yourself why TOTUS did not win any states with voter ID laws. A coincidence? I think not. You are so far off base on th voter ID laws. Most states have some form of voter ID and Obama took most of them. Florida as an example has voter ID. http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx
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architect
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ONE MORE TIME
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11/12/2012 9:07:40 PM
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Have any of you whiners actually read the piece???
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MartiniMan
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No, and I'm not going to
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11/12/2012 10:42:39 PM
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I don't take assignments from left wing nuts like you that only show up to gloat but hide like a miserable baby when things are not going well. Archie, there is nothing I can learn from you except confirmation that liberal ideology is a total failure. So stop asking because we don't care about your inane reading assignments. Besides, if you read 10% of what I suggested to you and the rest of the libtards that post here you would be a conservative.....assuming you had the brain that Churchill said an adult should have.
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architect
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ANGER and DENIAL!!!
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11/12/2012 10:54:09 PM
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No problem, keep your overblown fat head in the sand! The citizens with common sense will somehow mamage to save the country without your help.
Hup two three four...the lemmings are on the march.....
For those of you who are less cocksure and less enlightened than Martiny man might find the article of some interest.
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MartiniMan
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Not at all
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11/12/2012 11:01:32 PM
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I just don't take advice from someone that is intellectually bankrupt. Too demeaning and it lowers my IQ.......... But you enjoy your gloating Archie. Soon enough you will need to crawl back under a rock.....I mean head back to the joke section of the forum.
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MartiniMan
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MM
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11/12/2012 11:17:17 PM
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I was referring to voter ID laws that require a photo ID. Even a juvenile delinquent like Moran's son can tell you how to get around the other voter ID ruses. Heck, in Florida all you need is a utility bill. So I stand by what I stated with the caveat that it was photo ID and he lost them all.
As for your comment about national elections, Bush won twice and would have won the popular vote in 2000 had the govt media not prematurely and incorrectly called the election for Algore. And conservatives won the popular vote with Reagan twice, GHW Bush once and also Cintons first term where the vote was split with Bush and Perot but conservatives still won the popular vote. That's what happens when you cannot think critically GF. You spout something so easy to debunk an 8th grader could do it. So now you are down to only Obama twice and Clinton once. Any more "brilliant" points you want to make?
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MrHodja
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Reading assignment
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11/12/2012 11:34:11 PM
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Do unto others as you would have others do to you. Let me turn that around and say if I felt strongly enough to ask others to read something at my behest, I would give them an idea as to why I should read it and not cloak it in "read it because I said you should". .
The others have a point, although I might not state it as strongly. That point is more a question> Why should they read something just because you think they should? Were you to be a regular poster they (and I) might be more willing, but they, and for now I, aare unwilling to do so just because you, as a fair weather "drive by" poster, say we should. Its not about sticking my head in the sand, its more that you need to convince me that I should bother.
You've claimed, or at least insinuated in the past that you are really of a conservative mindset and are just trying to get us to see the errors in our ways. If that is your intent then you really have a strange way of attempting to do that.
I will read the article if you can convince me why I should. What is your take on it? What are you trying to have us take from it?
That's the last I'll say about this subject until such time that you can convince me to read the article.
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architect
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OK...Suggested reading
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11/13/2012 7:46:06 AM
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Mr H you make a point of sorts. Perhaps you can catch more flys with honey. The article describes how the GOP has become more and more insulated from what the average citizen is thinking because they DO NOT read or listen to anything that does not reinforce their thinking. Last week they actually believed Limbaugh, Gingrich, Their polls but not others, FOX etc and got burned. They have closeted themself in a "conservative" dream world (cocoon) of their own making. The article is saying much of what I have said many times...if you believe the entire country thinks the way those around you do (Lake Martin, this forum, Atlanta suburbs) you are rejecting reality and will continue to do so until you start to at least consider and think about what the rest of the country has in mind. You do not have to agree with it but you do need to find a way to admit it exists and try to win it over in a less caustic way. As Steve Schmidt (McCain campaign advisor and Bush WH staff member) said on Meet the Press Sunday...paraphrasing..."Thanks to the conservative entertainment complex and the GOP primary system, when the average American hears the word conservative they now think wacko and loon."
Again I "suggest" the article might be of interest to reasonable conservatives such as you usually seem to be.
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MrHodja
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OK...Suggested reading
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11/13/2012 8:51:24 AM
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OK, now I will read it. May be sometime tonight....have real work to do first....
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MrHodja
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BTW
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11/13/2012 10:27:44 AM
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I read on line Fox News and the HuffPost offered on the AOL web site every day. Do you read both liberal and conservative news sites as well?
And when I read them I take note of where the info is coming from....to include the fact that Fox reports an awful lot that neither Huff nor MSM ever touches.
I am sure there are those who refuse to read any liberal news sources, just as my son refuses to watch "Rupert Right Wing's" Fox News and my daughter in law accuses the Fox female talking heads as "puppy killers"..
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MartiniMan
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Oh that one
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11/13/2012 11:57:33 AM
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Yes, I am very familiar with that line of thinking and had already read the article. But Archie, help me out here. Why would we take advice from the guy who ran a failed moderate candidate's campaign when it comes to elections? I would not expect you to exactly run to the advice of Bob Shrum any more than I would to a guy that ran McCain's campaign.
But more to the point, I know the template of the govt media and the left is that Romney was seen as some sort of right wing fascist but that just isn't so. He actually got more of the Independent vote than Obama did. But Obama got the base out and with his identity politics and offering free stuff just like Santa Claus he was able to garner enough votes to win some key swing states. What it seems to me is being suggested, and correct me if you think I am missing the point, is that we try to outdo the Democrats when it comes to this strategy. It will never work. We can never outdo them with regard to single women's desire to replace the spouse they can't find with government programs (not to mention inanely buying into the fear mongering about abortion and contraception), blacks desire for the government to provide them with cash and free stuff because of the collapse of the family and their miserable personal choices when it comes to education, single motherhood, etc, hispanics wanting their free stuff and amnesty, etc. We simply cannot outdo Democrats in this regard and even if we tried it would only viciously accelerate our demise as a country.
I am of the opinion that what it will take is enough Americans that can be educated as to the disaster of big government, the unrealized expectations, etc. that are absolutely certain to occur because they always have and they always will. As to whether it is too late for America only time will tell.
Now I am sure I can expect your response to be along the lines of "go ahead an bury your head in the sand", etc. But I believe what I believe because I know based on logic, reason and historical fact that it is correct. I do not believe what I believe because of its potential for electoral success. That would make me an independent and I am not that, I am a conservative and I base what I believe on something other than emotion and whichever way the winds are blowing that particular day. In my opinion it is the left that is burying their heads in the sand as to the ruinous results of what they firmly believe. I am fighting the good fight and will continue to do so and leave the loser campaign managers to play their own fiddle.
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architect
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BTW Mr H
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11/13/2012 1:21:56 PM (updated 11/13/2012 1:23:12 PM)
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I do read and listen to media chatter from both sides. Huff Post and Newsmax make no claims of being "un-biased" while Fox news and MSNBC both claim their "straight" news shows are "fair and balanced"...they are not!!!..The least biased or at least best balanced commentary is on Politico and realclearpolitics on the net and CNN on the air.
PS: let us know of what you think of the article.
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architect
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No, and I'm not going to...WOW!!
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11/13/2012 1:30:08 PM
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MM your bitter and angry 11/12/12 10:42:39PM post (just read it) is an amazing example of exactly what is discussed in the suggested reading and a perfect illustration of why you and all Republicans of similar bent need to read it.
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Oh that one
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11/13/2012 1:57:26 PM
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Romney lost by 3.4 million votes and counting. If he had not begun to "moderate" his views in October it would have been much worse. That is exactly why he tried to move toward the center. Now I know that you and the other far right folks will say "no, if he had stuck with his more conservative ideas he would have won." Well, if you believe that you IN FACT do have your head in the sand. There is no need to "moderate" your beliefs, but if you expect to bring others to your side to win elections outside the ruby red south, you are absolutely going to have to "moderate" your tone. People tend to not vote for candidates or parties who at best come across as not respecting or trusting them and at worst outright hating them.
This is a diverse country and it is becoming more diverse each day. Unless the right wing of the GOP at least begins to admit this and to realize that there are other ideas being promoted in a much more politically reasonable way, they will eventually be a party relegated to wining local races in the deep south and a few NW inland states. I say again...that would be a bad day for America.
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MartiniMan
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You are so confused....
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11/13/2012 2:03:09 PM
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I am neither bitter nor angry Archie. I will admit to being sad that so many Americans can be so clueless but I am not surprised as I see the pathetic results we get from government schools and the govt media.
What I am is resolute that I am not going to sit idly by and let the greedy, pathetic losers in life use the point of a gun held by the government to take my hard earned money. You and GF suffer from the same delusion, that the productive members of society just passively sit there and do nothing to manage their tax liability. Nothing could be further from the truth and that is why the middle class and working poor will get screwed by your leftist ideology, not me.
Angry and bitter are not the right words......sad and resolute in my actions. You've seen my predictions about employment. Watch them come true........
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MartiniMan
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Again, your conclusions are wrong
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11/13/2012 2:10:11 PM
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The moderate Republicans are the ones that lose, not the true conservatives. But tell me again Archie, how does your analysis hold up given that Romney won the independents? Where did TOTUS's extra votes come from, disaffected Republicans and Libertarians?!?!? LOL You simply cannot accept the truth because it does not fit the template.
So no, we are not going to take election advice from a bunch of moderates running campaigns for moderates that lose every single time. That my friend is just plain stupid and I am not stupid. Just watch and wait for the mid terms as that will be the turning point one way or the other. America will either reject the march to socialism or not......either way I will be fine and you will be the one wondering how it is the death panel said you couldn't have your treatment. As for me, I will pay cash for what I need.
And finally, I predicted your response because I know how left wing nuts think. No amount of logic can penetrate the veneer of invincible ignorance...
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MrHodja
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BTW Mr H
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11/13/2012 3:10:02 PM (updated 11/13/2012 3:15:39 PM)
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CNN? YGTBSM.
I was sitting in the Crown Room in JFK waiting for my flight to Rome in 2008, and the TV was set on CNN. After watching for a while I said to myself "They should rename this ONN, the Obama News Network". The coverage was that unbalanced. And it has only become worse in the last four years. Don't EVEN try to claim CNN is unbiased.
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MartiniMan
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Thats the problem with the left
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11/13/2012 4:02:18 PM
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They actually think CNN, WaPo, NYT, etc. are middle of the road and unbiased and only Fox is slanted. They live in another reality that is far removed from actual reality. It makes it very hard for them to make intelligent choices because they are so ill informed.
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Again, your conclusions are wrong...oh really
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11/13/2012 8:10:30 PM
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Did it ever occur to you that the reason Mitt won a small majority of the independents was because he did moderate his tone in the final month? Do you agree he moved to the center? You will admit that he came out of the primaries as a hard right "they will self deport, I would be proud to sign a human life bill, on day one I will start to repeal Obama care, Russia is our number one geopolitical foe, I will support an amendment banning same sex marriage, I am proud to have Mr Trump on my team, etc, etc" contender? If he had stayed where he was in July he would have lost the indie vote badly and that 3.4 million vote deficit would have probably doubled.
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MartiniMan
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Did it ever occur to you
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11/14/2012 8:19:46 AM
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that the reason he won a majority of Independents is that many of them realized their vote for TOTUS in 08 was a huge mistake and that Mitt would have been a much better President? You are so fixated on the trees (your left wing nut social ideals) that you can't see the forest (that Obama was a miserable failure of a President).
And did it ever occur to you that the reason Mitt got 3M fewer votes from conservatives in 2012 than McCain did in 2008 is that they didn't think he was conservative enough and that had they voted for him he would have won?
And did it ever occur to you that the reason Obama went hard left in the final months was to shore up his base in swing states and that it was a success?
Archie, you are probably the most ill informed person that posts on this forum. No candidate has ever won the Presidency without their base. Mitt was NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH to get the GOP base to vote for him and he did not garner enough Independent votes to overcome the Democrat party's ground game. Please, please, please read something other than Huff n Puff post and watch something other than pmsnBS!! Educate yourself, learn something.......it will make you a better contributor here.
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