Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/11/2022 9:33:51 AM

i'd love to know what they expected to find in Melanias closet AND what they took ? souveniers of lacy stuff ??

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/11/2022 10:43:30 AM

Ask Goofy....he is the one fixated on the former First Lady.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/11/2022 10:48:07 AM

You aren't missing much.  His TDS rages on unabated.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/11/2022 10:36:27 PM

I hope for the sake of his family and the country there are no nuclear secrets in the boxes that the FBI took away. We should know tomorrow around 3 PM.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Well Lucky
Date:	8/11/2022 10:37:20 PM (updated 8/11/2022 10:41:28 PM)

I have no idea what they found in Melania's closet but apparently they were looking for highly classified documents about nuclear weapons that were illegally removed from the WH and is reading material next to the Penthouse mags beside your hero's famous gold toilet.  I guess since you are a forever member of the Trump Personality Cult you will have absolutely no problem with it but have to wonder if you would have a similar reaction if the same items were spotted in the more modest Plains, GA abode of another former one term president who actually might be bright enough to understand the docs.  Interesting how some of your fellow Trumpistas have been demanding under threat of violence and Civil War that the warrant be immediately released and now that the AG has said ''no problem, fine with me if its OK with Trump'' we are hearing only crickets from your and MM's favorite orange douche-bag!

Name:	Lighthouse -	Reply
Subject:	Funny
Date:	8/11/2022 11:33:01 PM (updated 8/11/2022 11:34:09 PM)

TDS is running wild in you mind.  And I would like you to support your wild statements if you even can, or is it just your supposition of what is going on?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Funny
Date:	8/12/2022 12:19:27 AM

The first four words of his post sum it up exquisitely.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Funny Lighthouse with a very dim bulb
Date:	8/12/2022 2:30:50 PM (updated 8/12/2022 2:45:04 PM)

TPC running wild in your mind!  As for my ''wild statements'' do you still think they my wild ''suppositions'' when the same ''suppositions'' are repeated on Fox News and in the WSJ*.  Get your head out of the sand or whatever dark place you love to stick it and you will see that you and your fellow Trump Personality Cultists are worshipping a false God that cares for one person and one thing only and doesn't give two hoots in hell for the country or his ''base'' for anything except the rush he gets from there their genuflecting at his feet!

*  WSJ this afternoon is reporting that among the documents retrieved from Mar a Lago was at least one box of information so highly classified that it should be only available to persons with the highest security clearance, including the president, in a secure room from which they were supposed to never be removed by anyone including the president.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Funny, Antifatech with lots of screws loose!
Date:	8/12/2022 3:10:43 PM

Sorry, I will wait for sources who did not scream Russia Russia Russia for the last 6 + years ( that includes you ) 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/12/2022 4:34:02 PM

Its 330 - where is your proof of nuclear papers?????

Still funny considering your comments regarding HRC and her email server with classified documents that she destroyed after it was under subponea.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	ARCH-IDIOT
Date:	8/12/2022 6:41:14 PM

Just to clarify for all the inaccurate dimokrap krap being spread around by the likes of your concerning clearances, etc., while there are clearances generally used such as Conficential, Secret, and Top Secret, there are many thingees called “accesses” which further restrict access to information only to those who have a “need to know”.  An FBI dimokrap may carry out several boxes of papers from Trump’s house, but he is not allowed access to the info without specific “access”…..maybe, unless he is on the dimokrap payroll!!  My assumption is that the President should have “access” to whatever he wants, especially since he does have the authority to de-classify anything.

Other than the President, only the originating author who “classified” the info can de-classify it.  My info, goes way back so it might be out of date, but that’s the way it was when intelligent, honest people ran the country.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Uhhh WIXIE POO, remind me who is ''president''
Date:	8/13/2022 12:26:03 AM (updated 8/13/2022 12:40:51 AM)

then read what you just posted in hopes it will dawn on you how stupid it is.  Donald J. Trump stopped having ''access'' to most of the stuff retrieved from his abode as of 2:00 pm Jan 20 2021.  At least one box of the stuff retrieved he had no right to remove from a safe room even while president much less take with him when he left the WH.  If he had it with him in Palm Beach it goes to reason he by definition had ''access'' to it even though he no longer had the right to such ''access'' unless he ''accessed'' it in the vaults of the U.S. Archives!  He did not ''declassify'' any of the stuff he stole from the American people simply by decreeing after the fact to have done so.  Declassification is not a secret process.  It is done  by actually changing each document to so declare it has been declassified. Even if they are properly declassified, since 1978 an ex-president is still prohibited by law from taking it with him...period full stop!   

You Trump Cultists really have a real problem with the truth don't you...both telling it and hearing it!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Archie you provide so much information….
Date:	8/13/2022 3:48:41 PM

....that just isn't true!  Every now and then I detect a morsel of truth in your posts but they pale in comparison to 99 percent of your posts that tryst  to convince others that your opinion is fact when in reality it is just that, your opinion.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/13/2022 6:55:17 PM

And what if he has nuclear secrets? I imagine the codes were changed when he left the WH, and I don't think that anyone in charge of the nucclear weapons is going to take an order from a past President.  I don't know what other "nuclear secrets" there would be.  It's already known exactly how many nuclear weapons we have, and the number other nuclear states have.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/13/2022 8:17:17 PM

It is all poppycock.  In a previous life I was a battle staff member on the "Doomsday Jet" and can guarantee everyone that there is only one set of the "codes" and a former president does not have them.  Additionally, there are other checks and balances to ensure we don't do something stupid.  Have to leave it at that.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	OK Mr H
Date:	8/13/2022 10:03:31 PM

Step up to the plate and point out whai in my posts is not true.  iI await your answer.  Sad that you appear to have lodged your head a deeply into the TPC quick-sand as the rest of the sheeple on this forum.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	OK Mr H
Date:	8/13/2022 10:30:14 PM (updated 8/13/2022 10:32:58 PM)

You just don't or choose not to understand how the cow eats the cabbage.  Most high ranking individuals maintain their clearance after retirement so that current leaders can use them as (unpaid) consultants, and it is the wise leader who takes advantage of such advice.  The President has unilateral authority to declassify ANYTHING, and it matters not whether the documents had their classification markings struck.  So any statement regarding Trump's misuse of classified information is moot if he decided while president that the document is unclassified.  Matters not whether you or anyone else disagrees, it is his decision and that decision is not subject to review because there is no higher authority.  
It speaks volumes that Trump's attorneys were not allowed to accompany the FBI agents as they rifled through Melania's undergarments...and the other, more likely places to find documents related to national security.  What was the FBI trying to hide?  I made another post regarding the fourth amendment and as this unfolds, anything the current administration tries to do with ANYTHING found during the raid will be thrown out as a gross violation of that amendment.  
So, go on and spout your ignorant drivel.  I will continue to observe it with amusement.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Mr H Is Sooooo Confused
Date:	8/13/2022 11:05:00 PM (updated 8/14/2022 3:39:14 AM)

“Most high ranking individuals maintain their clearance after retirement so that current leaders can use them as (unpaid) consultants, and it is the wise leader who takes advantage of such advice."

According to federal law, Trump lost his security clearance after the last day of his presidency.

President Biden said there was “no need” for Trump to get briefings traditionally given to ex-presidents as a courtesy to keep them informed if their advice is needed and took away his access to the briefings. One of Biden's better actions.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Yes I have opinions as do you
Date:	8/14/2022 12:32:36 PM (updated 8/14/2022 12:37:41 PM)

and let's thank God that so far we are both still allowed to express them.  However, my posts in this string are stating facts, not opinion.  If you refuse to accept them because they run counter to your ''opinion'', that does not stop them from being fact.  Another fact is that your own words defeat your oft repeated statements that you do not like Trump as a person but support his polocies.  In reality your reaction to ''Facts'' against ex-pres Trump vs ''opinions'' in support of ex-pres Trump illustrates that, regardless of your claims you are just one more of those who will support this charlatan even if he shoots somebody on 5th Ave.  That claim by Trump was one of the rare truths he has ever spoken.  Mr H you are a charter member of the Trump Personality Cult whether or not you have the courage to admit or the foresight to recognize it.

BTW:  If someday in the future the FBI decides to raid ex-pres Joe Biden's home to gather evidence on Hunter Biden will you insist Joe be given advance notice so he can have his attorneys present?  Come on, that is not the way a search warrant works and you know it as well as I do!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Raid
Date:	8/14/2022 1:35:41 PM

Yes, I know you are right.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Yes I have opinions as do you
Date:	8/14/2022 3:33:10 PM

You and Goofy continue to amuse me. You know not what you speak. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja?????
Date:	8/14/2022 5:48:14 PM

"According to federal law, Trump lost his security clearance after the last day of his presidency.'"   Is this factual or not?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja?
Date:	8/15/2022 12:11:13 AM (updated 8/15/2022 12:17:51 AM)

Facts?  He doesn't give a damn.  Like all TPC members he cannot let his brain be cluttered by facts that diminish their false god.

BTW:  Hope the few people on this forum that still are able to muster an independent thought have noticed that none of the naysayers have given a single example of a non-fact in my posts on this subject.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja?
Date:	8/15/2022 8:35:57 AM

Well, let's see.

"Donald J. Trump stopped having ''access'' to most of the stuff retrieved from his abode as of 2:00 pm Jan 20 2021".

You can't state that as fact because frankly neither you nor I nor anyone else on this forum know what was taken. If tere was no such access, one wonders why the material wasn't taken during the previous FBI trips to the location/.

"At least one box of the stuff retrieved he had no right to remove from a safe room even while president much less take with him when he left the WH."

You don't seem to understand or accept that the President is the ultimate classification...and eclassification..authority, and Trump has stated that he declassified the documents in question.  As Hound points out, the documents may well have not been taken from the White House but brought to Mar-a-Lago during the president;s term of office and stored there for whatever reason.

"If he had it with him in Palm Beach it goes to reason he by definition had ''access'' to it even though he no longer had the right to such ''access'' unless he ''accessed'' it in the vaults of the U.S. Archives!"

Your "goes to reason" statement in itself makes your statement opinion rather than fact.

"He did not ''declassify'' any of the stuff he stole from the American people simply by decreeing after the fact to have done so."

You have no basis to make the claim (not fact) that he did not declassify the documents.  Your claim that he "stole" documents is preposterous. 

"Declassification is not a secret process.  It is done  by actually changing each document to so declare it has been declassified."

Administratively, declassified documents have classification markings struck through on the document and declassification information entered on the document itself.  That is an administrative methodology that doesn't affect whether the document(s) in question have been declassified.

 Archie, I know that you will do anything you can to paint as bad a picture of Donald J Trump as possible but you really do have a hard time separating fact from opinion.  And as to your deciding for yourself that I am a member of some Trump cult you are simply wrong.  Go ahead and continue that BS claim if it makes you feel better.  Does't make it true. 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja?
Date:	8/15/2022 9:21:28 AM

Oh I think it is quite clear how Archie thinks.

His opinions are facts, and your facts are nothing more than opinions.