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SBsigmapi
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Fatty
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12/6/2004 10:01:41 AM
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It sure was nice to see Fatty Fulmer take one on the kisser in ATL. It was especially nice simultaneously seeing OU beat the snot out of CU. Looks like the dismal season last year hurt more than AU originally thought.
As far as the post regarding USC's close call against UCLA, I thought "a win was a win" in a rivalry game. That is what AU claimed two weeks ago when everyone else in the nation was a little bit concerned that an injury hobbled UA stayed within one score. The real difference here is that USC was ranked number 1 when it happened. They weren't trying to change their ranking, just maintain it. AU was trying to move up and didnt convince the voters that they deserved to.
I understand the frustration, and believe it or not, so do alot of other schools--see USC last year. Its part of playing in a division of 117 teams. Don't you all think that Utah feels the same way? Do they not deserve a shot?
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AU simply started the season too far back in the pack in pre-season polls and couldn't climb the mountain. Pre season polls simply sell magazines and keep sports talk radio alive from early summer to September. They are the real culprit. I thought the bigger travesty was Cal getting bumped by Texas for the Rose Bowl because of a whining coach. Cal could have handled the majority of the SEC this year.
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lamont
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Fatty
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12/6/2004 12:39:37 PM
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Agree with you Doc. Actually Cal outplayed USC and it is rediculous that Texas leap-frogged them. It is also rediculous that teams are rated based on last years performance. And yes,although I believe Utah would get slaughtered by the top 5, they did everything asked of them and at least deserve that shot. It also seems odd that all other football college divisions decide their champions with playoffs without adversely affecting the student athlete, even the Ivy league, yet we're stuck with this BCS/ BS.
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JIM
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Fatty
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12/6/2004 1:39:59 PM
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I belive that SC or OU would beat any top team in the SEC. Auburn is lucky not to face either,
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lamont
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Fatty
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12/6/2004 1:53:06 PM
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Don't agree. Even for those who believe the SEC is down this year, take a look at the PAC 10 and Bid 12; pretty weak. Also, we are certainly not lucky for not playing them. How else will we ever know?
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Island Camper
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Thats right....
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12/6/2004 2:05:47 PM
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All this debate is pointless. The BCS screwed Auburn and Cal and there's nothing we can do about it. I don't understand why the NCAA won't fix all this BCS crap that happens every year. There's a simple solution - if there is any doubt if 1 team is better than another, then let them play. Period. No more formulas, no more debates. We will KNOW who is better.
As for the question of Auburn being able to beat USC or OU, we will NEVER know. Regardless of what happens in the bowls, we will NEVER be able to answer that question. Thank you BCS.
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Council Roc Doc
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Thats right....
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12/6/2004 4:01:45 PM
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I may be wrong, but from what the BCS spokesman has said in his news confererence, it appears that the real culprit is Utah. The Rose Bowl by virtue of losing USC, had the first choice, and could have picked Cal, but took Texas, only if the Fiesta didn't want Texas. The Fiesta wanted Utah, so Texas went to the Rose. Call me a cynic, but I would be shocked if ABC, CBS, NBC didn't have a say in all of this for ratings purposes. There are not two polls, but three: AP, Coaches, and TV........
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Tbone
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Fatty
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12/7/2004 10:31:01 AM
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The BCS is not controlled by the ncaa, and they wont give up control of the bowls, because the BCS controls the money from the bowls. THE BCS is basically controlled by the big schools so that they dont have to give the money to the ncaa and then have it split up among 60 or 100 schools. Its really all about money. The big schools have control of the money and they are not going to let the ncaa have a playoff and get control of the big bucks.
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Does anyone know why revenue generated during March Madness by Final Four teams is given to the representative conferences and then divided rather than to the individual schools? It would seem that the money disbursement issue would be uniform throughout all of collegiate athletics. But that may be too much to ask for. University presidents hide behind academics while protecting their cash cow money interests.
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Tbone
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The ncaa controls
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12/7/2004 10:47:34 AM
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the basketball tournament and how the money gets disbursed. I think the money actually goes to the schools, but the SEC schools have an agreement to send it all to the SEC and then it gets split up by the SEC. Teams that are not in a conference get to keep all their basketball winnings.
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AUpAUL
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SIGY,sigy
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12/7/2004 6:46:23 PM
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You are wasting your time trying to convince us that you KNOW Foot ball.
Here is what you said in Aug.
"Name: SBsigmapi -
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Date: 8/11/2004 2:54:12 PM
AU is over rated again. Im not saying they arent an OK team, not even saying that UA is better than they are. Im just saying they wont finish in the top 15. "
What are you saying NOW?
And this Fatty Fulmer thing ??? Are you upset because he turned you in for CHEATING while you were on PROBATION for CHEATING?????
You are ALLWAYS good for a laugh!!!!! Your girls are ok in tumbeling so hang your hat on that .
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| Name: |
lamont
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SIGY,sigy
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12/8/2004 7:21:52 AM
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He just can't hide his true colors.Can't remove those crimson glasses just for 1 post.
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SBsigmapi
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SIGY,sigy
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12/8/2004 6:14:00 PM
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I misjudged AU earlier in the season. I will give you that they are a good team. The mistake I made was no greater than the one Barners made last year when they poked their chest out at a preseason poll. This particular post, however, doesn't promote Bama or insult AU. It is simply my point of view. Though it is not an unbiased point of view, it is less biased than that of AU fans. Since you are quick to point out my "lack of football knowledge", would you say that AU's poor performance last year had no effect on this year? Do you disagree that it is harder to gain positions in the polls than it is to maintain them? Do you think that a win is a win in a rivalry game? If so, then why does USC's tight victory matter? If AU deserves to be in the Orange, who deserves to be left out and why? See, these are questions that people who are outside of that fight ask themselves. Since you are so knowledgeable about football, why don't you answer them for us?
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| Name: |
lamont
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Readers Digest Version
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12/9/2004 7:19:32 AM
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Don't ever recall sticking my chest out but, I will reply none the less. Preseason polls are rediculous.
BCS sucks.
Coaches poll is a sham.
Never said Auburn should be in the Orange Bowl however, any undefeated division 1 team deserves a shot at the National Championship.......playoffs.
The college presidents who won't allow playoffs suck.
Finally, which rivalry win was more significant in your eyes Siggy. Do you consider UCLA to be a more worthy challenge than your beloved Tide and did your Tide actually have a chance to win in the final minute of the game?
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SBsigmapi
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Readers Digest Version
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12/9/2004 9:50:52 AM
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I would love to boast that the Tide is far superior to the Bruins, and if we were healthy, we would be quite mighty. However, with a 3rd string backfield, we just arent the power that we ought to be. As far as the Tide having a chance to win, we all know that once you fail to recover an onside kick, the game is over. If you werent in that situation, you wouldnt have kicked onside to begin with. We all also know the statistical improbability of a successful onside kick. That being said, if Bama had recovered the final kick, would you still say that they were out of that game? A loss is a loss and we lost. We will live with that. Also, any undefeated Division I-A school deserves a shot? Tulane in 98 deseverved a shot? Marshall a few years back? Boise State this year? I disagree. You would be wasting time and milking even more money out of the system. AU will be in the Sugar. Get used to it.
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| Name: |
lamont
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If ifs and buts were candy ...
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12/9/2004 10:08:50 AM
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Let me make this as simple as possible in hopes you will understand this time. Any, I repeat any, division 1 school that goes undefeated should have a shot at the title. I have grown tired of the elitists at the major universities who think otherwise.
You did not recover the onsides kick, thus you had no shot of winning the game.
I think, by now, we are all aware of Bama's injury situation. You probably can refrain from mentioning it in future posts.
Yes, we are going to the Sugar Bowl and I, for one, will be there and have a wonderful time. By the way, what bowl is the injury-plagued Tide going to? Perhaps you're the one who should get over it.
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Island Camper
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Here's my thoughts....
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12/9/2004 12:20:53 PM
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As an Auburn fan, I kinda mad about this crap, and rightly so. Anybody would be mad if their team got the shaft after an undefeated season.
The real question is how would I feel if the situation were reversed: Auburn has a mediocre season while Alabama goes undefeated and gets left out of the championship game?
Would I think it's funny? Of course.
Would I be mad about it? Definitely.
This is a slap in the face to the SEC. An undefeated SEC team being left out of the championship game is an injustice. Especially since it's the 2-team Little-12 and the 2-team Fudge-Pac-10 that took those spots.
Here's the stats vs teams in final BCS top 15:
USC - 2-0
Oklahomer - 1-0
Auburn 4-0
But again, why am I typing this post? I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir.
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AUpAUL
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sigy,sigy
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12/9/2004 7:46:18 PM
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I can agree with one thing you said. We did not convince enough voters
that we should be in the Orange. If we had taken care of business in T
town And the second time against the Vols. We would have been in that game. But we did not. I still think if we win big enough in the Sugar we will get part of the National Champion ship. The bad part here is that West V. will be a strong team to beat. Pat Dy. Said last week that Miami is playing well enough today to beat SC or Ok. .And West V. just beat Miami.
As for your injured players. Brody is prone to injury and you hung you hopes on that. Bama recruited them. Saying what you could have done if they were not hurt is like TROY saying if we had BO, Hershel, and Joe WIlly we could have won every game!! YEA BUT???? I'll bet when Tommy T. lost 5 centers in a row after running 6 or more of Bowdens thugs off that you felt we were being robed. NOT
Have a Merry Christmas and as I have said before Talk About YOUR team
what you know about mine is useless. In Aug you SOUNDED so smart!!!!
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| Name: |
Maddog
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sigy,sigy
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12/10/2004 7:47:38 AM
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West V.? Do you mean Va. Tech?
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AUpAUL
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sigy,sigy
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12/10/2004 11:45:19 AM
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Looks I don't know a lot of football my self. I should have said VT.
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SBsigmapi
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If ifs and buts were candy ...
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12/10/2004 3:13:22 PM
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I dont need to get over anything. Alabama will go play in the Music City Bowl. Though its not an elite bowl by any means, it is a bowl, which will serve as much needed medicine for the rebounding program--remember, this is the same bowl AU was at last year. As far as saying that any undefeated team deserves a shot is ridiculous and shows a very naive view of college football. An undefeated Buffalo team would have 70 point dropped on them by ANY of the top 15 teams in the country.
If you would read all of the posts under this topic you will see that one of your own has admitted that AU did not pull its weight when it needed to. I know that that is salt in a gaping wound, but its true. Good luck with all that unfolds in the BCS. I doubt that even luck will help with the polls looking the way they look, but GL none the less. ROLL TIDE!
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| Name: |
lamont
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Bama Elitist
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12/10/2004 3:39:27 PM
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I suppose I am naive looking at it the way I do. I guess it is my humble upbringing. To slight someone like Auburn or Utah, for that matter, in my opinion, is a typical view of the major universities. Let us not forget the Northern Illinois of last year and the problems they gave the majors or how about Louisville; not a football rich traditon but a pretty good football team. My point is, that is why they make them play the game! By the way, Buffalo was not undefeated this year and thus, irrelevant.
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| Name: |
lamont
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Bama Elitist
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12/10/2004 3:41:34 PM
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Oh I forgot, War Eagle!
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