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VMG
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Lawsuit
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7/29/2006 11:05:59 AM
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Cat Boat is right, only one of the named Plaintiff's is a dealer, and the rest are boat owners. In fact the small ( compared to what AP and Ben spent ) amount of money raised to file the suit, came from boat owners, and property owners, as well as lease holders from AP. Thank goodness that these people are standing up to their rights, and not letting Ben and AP do whatever they want!
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Osms
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Lawsuit
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7/29/2006 12:11:45 PM
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Sounds like you may be a vested partner. What do you feel the odds are on this case?
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CAT BOAT
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Lawsuit
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7/29/2006 2:35:18 PM
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Forget the odds. At least for now, it want be cramed down the throats of those of us effected. Thanks to the judicial sytem, (Must we remember this is America) some can have a chance to speak. And speaking of vested partners...... YOU WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED TO FIND OUT WHO HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS LAWSUIT. Don't want to stir too much...... I am starting to miss the lake, and thinking maybe I will feel good enough to get out on the water next weekend.
Steve
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| Name: |
Osms
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Lawsuit
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7/29/2006 2:58:49 PM
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I would expect boat manufacturers, NMMIA, BoatUS, and those that make a living off boaters to be involved, because this is their livelihood they have to try to protect. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russell involved.
Question is not who is suing, but does the state government have a right and responsibility to protect those using it's waterways, from the undesirable actions of a few.
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SCARAB MAN
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Lawsuit
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7/30/2006 8:40:18 AM
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Osms you call something I love undesirable and im wondering if everything you don't like should be law or should a few of us have the freedom to have toys that are fun to us.Maybe you would like to come with me on the lake one day and see if we couldn't have fun together on a boat you think is undesirable.Try it before you bash it is all im saying.
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| Name: |
Osms
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You misunderstand...
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7/30/2006 9:21:03 AM
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my position. I was a big boat owner for 20+ years. I love big boats and boating. I've had friends with fast boats and ridden with them and enjoyed running them offshore, jumping waves. Point is--I speak from experience--not from ignorance--which many of you think.
There is a place for big boats and a place for fast boats, but I think the majority of people who use this lake would be happier without these types of offshore boats running around. It's not a dislike for the boat or the boater--just the boat in this setting. No one is advocating outlawing your boat.
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| Name: |
SCARAB MAN
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Talk about settings....
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7/30/2006 11:50:07 AM
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If you lived in Sandy Creek for the last 32 years i've either mowed your grass, fished your pier or dated your daughter. I've never had one complaint on my boat on this lake and really who knows what the majority thinks ,they had to slip a law under the sheets for some reason.
I believe I know a thing or two about the Lake Martin setting because just like you I'm apart of it and I would like the freedom to choose what kind of boat I ride in.
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| Name: |
Osms
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Talk about settings....
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7/30/2006 12:12:01 PM
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I understand your position. My main problem on the lake are the stupid people who think it's just fine for them to pass within fifty feet of my boat and swim platform, with my grandchildren in the water swimming, while they are either at a slow plane or running 50 miles/hr. These people would be shot on the coast. There is a total disregard for other people's property here.
The Marine Police are of absolutely no help--do you know that you cannot even reach them on the phone on the weekends. 99% on the need for Marine Police is non-emergency and you can't even reach them.
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| Name: |
swr
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Talk about settings....
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7/30/2006 5:14:23 PM
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have to agree with you the marine police are worthless except for extreme emergices that occur and could be prevented by more enforcement of laws already on the books
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Marine Police
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Talk about settings....
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7/30/2006 10:45:25 PM
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The office at Wind Creek is the District III office. District III covers Lake Martin, Lake Mitchell, Lake Jordan, Lake Harding, West Point Lake, Lake Eufala, the Alabama River over past Selma, and all the river and creeks in between. There is only administrative work and training done there. It is a Monday - Friday, 8 - 5 office. There is no dispatching from there. If it is not an emergency, leave a message and you will be called back.
We are dispatched primarily through the trooper posts....Alex City and Montgomery....depending on your location on the lake. We also have radio contact with the local counties....Coosa, Elmore, and Tallapoosa.
Alex City Trooper Post (256) 234-7311
Montgomery Trooper Post (334) 242-4128
Coosa County Sheriff's Office (256) 377-4922
Elmore County Sherif's Office (334) 567-5546
Tallapoosa County Sheriff's Office (256) 825-4264
Of course, if it is an emergency call 911.
Gary
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| Name: |
Osms
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Marine Police
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7/30/2006 11:18:26 PM
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Thanks for your post. Until I just read your post, I had no idea of how to reach you guys except 8-5,M-F. You have just proven my point.
Where--other than your post--is the public supposed to know how to reach ya'll? Why is this info kept a secret by your department? Why is this info not provided on your answer machine?
I needed to reach ya'll recently and all I got was a stupid answering machine telling me your office was closed. Don't take this personally, but something needs to be done to offer better service on the weekends when everyone is on the lake--please pass this up the line.
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Marine Police
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Marine Police
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7/30/2006 11:40:21 PM
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"Where--other than your post--is the public supposed to know how to reach ya'll? Why is this info kept a secret by your department? Why is this info not provided on your answer machine?"
It is in the local papers (Alex City, Dadeville, Wetumpka, Eclectic, Tallassee) every week. It used to be on the answering machine. I don't know what message is on there now.
"I needed to reach ya'll recently and all I got was a stupid answering machine telling me your office was closed."
I assume that it was not an emergency. Did you leave a message? Usually the officer that leaves from Wind Creek checks the messages and handles them accordingly.
"Don't take this personally, but something needs to be done to offer better service on the weekends when everyone is on the lake--please pass this up the line."
No offense taken. The Montgomery HQ number is 1-800-272-7930.
Thanks for your suggestions.
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| Name: |
CAT BOAT
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Marine Police
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7/31/2006 8:26:05 AM
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Good answer!
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| Name: |
Osms
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Marine Police
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7/31/2006 8:38:40 AM
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While the information may be in local papers you are not reaching the lake users. When someone needs the Marine Police, Sheriff, or State Troopers for a non-emergency situation they go to their phone directory to get a number to call -- they don't save up a week's worth of local papers just in case.
My suggestion: 1. Have your recording changed at the Admin office to give a NON-emergency phone number for Lake Martin Marine Police. If it is the State Troopers office - great if we can reach a dispatcher that can contact you guys by radio. This could be accomplished this morning.
2. Publish an off hours contact phone number in the Bell South phone directory along with the Admin office number.
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| Name: |
JUA
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Marine Police
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7/31/2006 10:51:56 AM
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Why not give the MP a free lakemartin.com page with contact info that could be printed both walled sized so it can be carried on a boat and a 8 x 11 size for keeping near a telephone at the house/cabin?
I know 911 will (or might) work, but sounds like too many agencies are involved when you call the Elmore Co SO, and it turns out the incident is actually a mile or so into Tallapoosa. Also, cell services have issues with 911 calls, so a printout of the 800 number would help. If the MP are needed, you need the most direct contact and can't scratch around loking for a number. Even if you have it memorized, it can get stuck in the back of your head when in a stressful emergency situation.
Just a thought.
JUA
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Biguglydawg
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Marine Police
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7/31/2006 11:07:16 AM
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Contact info is listed on this webpage.Look under emergeny contact. If it is a non emergency why can't you wait until someone is in the office?
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CAT BOAT
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Just think....
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7/31/2006 2:20:07 PM
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......And, this thread started out talking about the lawsuit. For what it is worth, I wish the DCNR had more funds and officers (and office staff) so that they could be more effective. So, just deal with it. They are doing the best they can.
Steve
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JIM
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Just think....
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7/31/2006 2:47:13 PM
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Never had but a couple of dealings with them years ago, they had Miller Jr. problem, hope they found theirs.
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BigFoot
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Just think....
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7/31/2006 3:10:29 PM
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I have a high regard for the Marine Police on LM........my opinion of those at the HQ in Montgomery are quite the opposite. I called once to get a clarification on a boating law and got the most unbelievable runaround........I was passed around to three different people with progressively worse attitudes. They seemed to be incensed that I
would bother them for that kind of thing...not to mention the fact that
neither of those three even knew the answer to my question. The third
one told me something that he "thought" to be true just to get rid of me.
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| Name: |
ot
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Marine Police
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7/31/2006 4:27:46 PM
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hey, here is an idea...marine police just rattled off several numbers... type them up and print them yourself . be accountable for your SELF!
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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Marine Police
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7/31/2006 4:48:16 PM
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They will also respond on channel 16 VHF (or at least I have observed them responding). I am not sure this is official but they do monitor this traffic. If you are on the water and need assistance this is a good method of relaying information... PLEASE, do not report that someone is showing their breasts (memorial day call over channel 16), as I hope the marine police have much more important safety issues :-)
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Feb
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Marine Police
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7/31/2006 4:54:18 PM
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Hey Big, Is there a better channel for the breast notification or do we just tune-in to the Cathouse? Speaking of which, I enjoyed your recent post on the Cathouse message board.
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Maverick
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Better Yet
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7/31/2006 5:33:15 PM
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Do what most people would do enter into cell phone, as I hope you take cell phone with you when boating in case you run into mechancial or other issues.
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SCARAB MAN
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Breast Alert!!
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7/31/2006 6:28:36 PM
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Maybe we need a national breast alert!!
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| Name: |
BigFoot
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Breast Alert!!
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7/31/2006 6:30:32 PM
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Yes....afraid the fan-out system would be too slow..........
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| Name: |
4PAR
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 10:24:04 AM
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I don't care who is on the lawsuit and who isn't. I hope it is not overturned. I don't have as big of a problem with the speed type boats as I do with the big cruiser types. When they are just cruising around they create waves big enough to turn over a normal 21 ft bowrider like I own and I don't think they have any business being in Lake Martin. When they are cruising, the bow sits up so high that alot of them can't even see where they are going. They start out in a direction and it is a straight line from there. Every other boat better look out unless you want to be swamped or runover by them. The last 3 weekends in a row I've had one coming right at me and they never once turned, either they couldn't see me or they just didn't care because obviously I'm going to try and get out of the way. The last time I checked the rule of operation (when meeting an oncoming boat stay to the right) was still in place. Most, not all, of these big boats totally disregard that rule. They take off and you better stay out of their way.
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| Name: |
Osms
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 11:49:12 AM
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To hear them say it, they own the lake. DA' GOT DA' RITE'S!
p.s. The lawsuit is filed as a civil rights lawsuit. Now ain't that a kick in the pants?
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longtimer
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 12:26:42 PM
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Civil rights? How shameful is it that they are fighting under the flag planted by Rosa Parks, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King Jr., et al?
There is such a difference between having your civil rights violaed, and not being able to do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it and regardless of how it affects others.
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longtimer
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 12:29:41 PM
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What you say is true. However, to hear them tell it, those boats never leave the dock, and when they do they go no faster than a slow idle. They don't make waves, or get in anybody's way.
It's unbelievable that anyone could believe their claims... but then you read posts by some of them, and realize that, yes, they might just be stupid enough to believe the drivel they spout.
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BoatsRFun
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 12:50:02 PM
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Crownline, please tell me the difference between a wake created by a 31' cruiser and a wake created by a 29' cruiser, not much difference at all, yet one is legal and one is not, unless you go to a marina on the lake that sells 30'-40' cruisers then you can buy and be legal, just dont make much sence, except for certain marinas, then it makes good CENTS.
By the way i have no problem with any type boat on the water, just the education of some operaters that leaves alot to be desired, Peace and Have a Great Lake Day
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fountain
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 1:22:51 PM
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29 ft Cruiser legal ??? Does anyone else find it strange that Russell owns the only marina's that sell that size cruiser.
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| Name: |
ot
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 1:37:43 PM
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i agree with Crownline on that one.... it is NOT the fast or the loud... it's the big ones...the sleepers. half the people on the boat are hanging out in the a/c drinking whatever they fancy out of glasses. real glass glasses watching tv...or whatever it is they do.. they can not see you and they do not look for you. AND their paint jobs are not nearly as fun as the fast boats.
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SCARAB MAN
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 1:49:24 PM
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LongTimer you better be glad Rosa Parks isn't around . She'd jump on the biggest cruizer on the lake and ride till they made another holiday for her!!!
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BoatsRFun
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 1:51:03 PM
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Fountain, they also sell larger boats than 29' they will be legal if purchased from a marina on the lake, just like all the other larger boats already on the lake will be grandfathered in, the people that will be punished the worst are the families that own boats 26'11" that are capable of 60+ mph (thats sad and unfair) I love seeing and hearing those boats on the water.
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So if they win then speed limits on the roads and highways will no longer be able to be enforced? I got my civil rights too!!
Or maybe a better anology would be that the government can't post any more of those weight restricted signs on the highways. So anybody in a tractor trailer can just drive on any road without regard to how it affects the roads, traffic, or bridges of an area. I'm sure that some truckers will be glad to hear this. Maybe they will even start hauling the double and triple trailers through some of the the residential areas with no regard to speed limits. They got 'civil rights' too!!!
I will be surprised if this suit makes it past the first hearing without being tossed.
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fountain
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Lawsuit
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8/1/2006 4:36:05 PM
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AGREE !!!! AGREE !!!
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| Name: |
Maverick
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Marine Police Are GREAT !!!
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8/1/2006 7:43:53 PM
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Have you ever tried contacting them as a friend of ours did about 3 weeks ago, when he was sitting idle (in a VERY uncrowded area of the lake) taking slack out of rope to pull up skier when a boat load of younger people was coming straight at his daughter he was about to pull sking, he yelled as his daughter to drop the rope and swung his boat around between his daughter and the on coming boat. At one point they thought they may have to jump overboard, but other boat finally turned within like 15 yards or so.
Anyway they called Marine Police and they came SCREAMING up the lake (as I saw them and told my wife I had never seem the Marine Police going that fast, told her they must be after someone) to River North Marina and lets just say they took all these boater aside for DUI testing, etc. Unfortunatily the boat driver fled the scene as soon as they arrived at the marina, per my friend. Friend said they were there in less than 10 minutes.
How do I know this story as we were at diner with them and I mentioned I saw the marine police SCREAMING up the lake around 5pm or so and he said you wil not beleive this but we called them, then he told me the story.
So do not even say the Marine Patrol is worthless, as they are by NO MEANS worthless in my opinion. I fully suppor them and believe they do a GREAT job based on limited resources.
Have you ever called them?? If not, do not say they are WORTHLESS !!!
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BoatsRFun
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Marine Police Are GREAT !!!
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8/1/2006 9:43:05 PM
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Great story mav, i also think the marine police do a great job, it is a very big lake to cover, sorry others dont appreciate there efforts...
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| Name: |
Osms
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Maverick..
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8/1/2006 11:22:02 PM
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Since I was the one that said something about not being able to reach the MPs. I have a question of your friend.--How did he contact the MPs?
Did he call 911 or what? Was it a weekend or weekday?
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Maverick
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Maverick..
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8/1/2006 11:30:34 PM
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Called Alex City Police Dept , they either transferred or gave them number. Was a Saturday
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I have to agree on your last statement about paint jobs. My boat is boring, kinda bland. I need a flashy paint job...
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| Name: |
Osms
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Maverick..
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8/2/2006 8:10:46 AM
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The Marine Police really need a non-emergency phone number 24//7. Your friend's problem like mine did not warrant a 911 call--glad he got better service. I finally called the Sheriff's office--they came out. The sight of a uniformed officer on the dock solved the issue.
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4PAR
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Lawsuit
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8/2/2006 10:36:40 AM
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There probably is no difference in the wake of a 29 footer and a 31 footer but I'm certain they didn't just arbitrarily pick a number, they had to draw the line somewhere.
I agree that it is wrong for a marina to be able to sell bigger boats than the law allows an individual to purcahse from a dealer away from the lake. Everything that is already floating should be Grandfathered in and that should be it no other exceptions.
You are correct, there are lots of boaters on the lake that could use a boater education refresher course.
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Maverick
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Lawsuit
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8/2/2006 11:33:02 AM
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You have to wax it before you can paint it - LOL
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Feb
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Cat Imitation
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8/2/2006 12:54:20 PM
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No, You want to get the old wax off prior to painting. I think Big could paint a full scale size picture of Cat's Daytona on the side of Pier Pressure and then disquise the rest of the boat water and sky colors. It will then look like Cat going across the lake as a flying saucer (whatever) at slow speed. New definition of getting it on a plane. OK, I am not sure what the wake will be like, and Cat may get blamed. Interesting to see a boat six foot off the water line at slow speed causing a wake.
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| Name: |
Maverick
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Cat Imitation
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8/2/2006 2:25:07 PM
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feb what you been smoking or drinking -lol
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| Name: |
JIM
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Lawsuit
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8/2/2006 2:47:03 PM
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Mav, there is no way you wax anything before it is painted, it causes fish eye. Best to clean with Laqure Thiner.
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Feb
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Brain Cells
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8/2/2006 3:04:02 PM
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I am having new tile floors put down here at the VA house. It maybe the fumes of the tile glue. I could be frying the last few brain cells I have remaining.
My IQ may drop form 75 to 37. I might be able to come massacre you and get away with it scott free. You best get Big to watch your back as you wax his boat. Knowing the State of Alabama, they will put me in "Old Sparkey" all the same. (LOL)
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