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GoneFishin
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 1:29:15 PM
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When was the last Republican President elected without a Nixon or Bush on the ticket and who was it??????
1928===Herbert Hoover
As we ALL know, history has a way of repeating itself and we sure don't need another depression!!!!!! Just another reason why we need Change and not $150,000 wardrobes
to stimulate the economy. Alabama loves winners so don't waste your vote!!!!
Many remember "Brownie you are doing a great job", record high deficits under a CONSEVATIVE President, and Republicans voting against Medicare reimbursement until Kennedy was wheeled into the Senate.
It is so sad that Bush is leaving the Country is such bad shape. Other than the last 2 years in Congress, the Reublicans have controlled the Government since 2000. Even McCain
won't run on the last 8 years. It is Time for a Change.
Call it Socialism or Redistribution of Wealth, we already have the Earned Income Credit.
It is interesting that Palin's furture son in law drops out of high school and immdediately lands a job as an Apprentice Electrician when the Alaska Apprentice Program has a requirement of a GED or High School Education. A kid in the inner city drops out cause he will become a daddy and his options are sell drugs or flip hamburgers.
As the election draws closer, some feel it makes them important to post racial slurs. When is fact, it just shows someone who has difficulty adjusting to adult life.
After the election, win or lose, we are one country under God with liberty and justice for all.
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MartiniMan
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What kind of change?!?!?!
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10/24/2008 2:03:20 PM
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GF, you might be for change but I have yet to hear you articulate what change we are in store for with Obamination/Pelosi/Reid. You see, I am sure you intellectually understand that "change" can be for the worse. My strong belief is his idea of change is going to be a disaster for this country.
As for the 8 years of Bush, things were going pretty well until the Democrats took over Congress. It took them less than two years to nearly bring the country to its knees. I can back this up with fact after fact after fact about our economic condition before and after Democrats took control of Congress. I realize that is an inconvenient truth, and let me preempt you. I know you are going to say the guy at the top takes the blame. Just remember you said it because if Obamination wins I am going to spend the next 4 years reminding you that he is RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY NEGATIVE THING THAT HAPPENS! Every bad piece of economic news, every attack on Americans here and abroad, every conflict that occurs in the world. We'll see how you respond to that. I fully expect the typical liberal hypocrisy to try and blame everyone else.
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MrHodja
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 2:24:21 PM
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Your comment "Alabama loves winners so don't waste your vote!!!! " is an insult to Alabama voters. Is that the best you can do?
You have yet to produce any logical, reasonable, or rational argument to back up your assertion that things will be better under Obama. Others like MM and W-W have provided sound, real-world reasoning for avoiding the Obama wealth redistribution plan. Can't say the same for you.
Should Obama get elected I might be in line for one of those tax cuts, as I don't make a quarter million a year. However, I don't want it, didn't do anything to deserve it, and frankly don't need it.
Come on with some reasoned, defendable responses. Then I might listen, but not until.
Nasreddin Hodja
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PikeSki
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 2:29:03 PM
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Mr. Fishing
I understand you are frustrated with the economy and all. I am as well.
However, You cannot say that 9/11, Iraq, The economics of the housing industry, Katrina, the wall street crash in recent weeks, the corruption on wall street, etc, etc, etc, is all GWB's fault. If Obama were in office during these events would you then be saying that it was all his fault?
Today and for the next 1 1/2 weeks we can only look at 2 men. 1 of which will be the President of the United States and be inheriting very tuff economic times, turbulant political times, and 2 wars, among many other things. We will each have to choose the man that we personally feel has the exprerience, understanding, and history to get us through the next 4 years.
I simply ask you, if you were hiring someone to do serious structural work on your house, and he told you that he was the most qualified, experienced person you could hire for the job, you might believe him because he seems genuine. However, how would you react to him if you asked him for some proof of these things that he told you he could do and he refused to provide and valid documents to prove all of the great things he said about himself. would you hire him to fix your home? Why then would you hire him for President of the U.S.?
It's not that I don't like Barrack Hussein Obama, I just do not trust what he says, I do not trust what he tells us today because his record says otherwise, I do not trust a man that refuses to provide basic proof of who he says he is, I don't trust a man that cannot proove his medical records, I do just do not trust the man and do not beleive he is telling the truth, rather he is telling you what you want to hear . . . .
Now . . . I personally invite you to go to the previous subject I posted and honestly answer the the questions that I asked there.
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MartiniMan
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It's hopeless
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10/24/2008 3:00:03 PM
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I have been debating GF and others for several weeks and they never use facts or logic. They just pull information off the Obama website and try to use it as if it represents the truth. Mythbuster is always quick to run to "fact" checking websites and then when his "fact" checkers prove to be fraudulent he just disappears. It's like the drive-by media, whether or not something is actually true is not the most important factor.....
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AUCATZ
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 3:36:44 PM
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GF, I'm sure you are a good guy. I'm also sure that lots of the folks that vote for BO are good people also. You have been mislead all through this campaign, yet you fail to acknowledge that because of the 'Change' you want so badly. BO's campaign is already saying that he won't be able to do what he has promised because of the 'big price tag', the economic turmoil, and a hundred other excuses. If he is elected all promises go out the window. He's promised the world. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, he delivers. And, yes, I'll be right here with all the others to congratulate you on your choice for Pres when it all falls like the house of cards his 'platform' is.
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Talullahhound
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 4:20:26 PM
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I find this thread really interesting. Most changes for the good or bad take years to come to fruition. Bad decisions by Alan Greenspan are just now being felt. Remember how the Republicans claimed that all the good economic news that came out under Clinton was really the result of actions taken by Bush I?
I don't like the Democratic Congress any more than the rest of you, but I don't think you can blame them for what is happening now. Some of this originated during the Clinton years (Clinton appointed Greenspan), some of it results from decisions made during "w"'s first term. Bad assumptions are bad assumptions, just like bad policy is bad policy regardless of which side promotes it.
Keep in mind that whomever wins in November will not take office until the end of January. Then they have to nominate their cabinet secretaries who have to be confirmed. They won't be on board until March at least. Then they have to pick their confirmation appointments of Assistant Secretaries and Deputy Secretaries, and that usually doesn't happen until sometime in the summer or later. Staffs are gearing up briefings for their principles. Nothing much happens the first year. So that leaves 3 years for "change". And major changes don't move quickly -- more like glaciers with staffs. That's why everyone needs two terms if they are going to accomplish anything. Everyone comes into office all fired up, but the truth is most of them have no idea what it will take to make those changes -- the legal issues, policy issues, affordability issues. Creating new systems, policies, etc costs a lot of money. Then of course, there are the lobbyists who appeal to every level to water down or sway every change.
My only point is that neither of the candidates are going to be able to effect all the changes they want, not to the extent they want to, and usually not within their first term. So I wouldn't get too excited.
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MrHodja
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 4:43:39 PM
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As you know I've been exposed to life inside the Beltway as well, and the points you make regarding administration transition and a period of spinning wheels are valid. That being said, you can darn well bet that if BO is elected and he doesn't make some real progress, he'll end up being our first black one-term president. For one, Hillary will come at him with a vengeance and have plenty of real-world ammo that the Obama-worshipers won't be able to ignore, and there will be a whole lot of conservatives who will rally behind a truly conservative candidate as well.
What we are looking for is solid evidence that there is a PLAN for change, other than just saying "we're gonna change" and stiffing those who make a lot of money to give to those who don't make as much. GoneFishing has been very vocal on this forum with unsubstantiated stuff. We'd just like to see some rationale to back up the bravado. God gave us a brain capable of logic and reasoning with the intent that we use it that way.
Oh well, maybe MM is right. Its useless. The liberal element on this forum is much like the Pillsbury doughboy. Punch it in the gut and the gut pops right back out and it just giggles childishly....
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AUCATZ
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 4:47:59 PM
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You are very right. Any 'change' will take years. I personally believe it will take 5 or more years before we will, if then, get back to where we were earlier this year. We have an artificial economy that has crashed on it's own pettard, and it will be a long climb out of it. I guess, if one can say it without being bashed, it is fortunate that the rest of the world is experiencing the same thing. We aren't the only ones in this mess - the rest of the world has the same real estate issues, the same bad loan situations, etc. So, in all honesty this Global Economy of ours isn't just "US". Bad mistakes and lack of oversight all over the world.
Blame whoever each one wants for the problems, it isn't tied to one person, one administration, or one decade. The real estate mess began in the 1980's with the Community Reinvestment Act that forced banks to make loans in specific underpriveliged areas of their communities to 'equalize' and make loans more 'fair'. It ballooned from there to the mess we have now.
We have a problem regardless of who we elect. I just feel that experience in world affairs and other things trumps great rhetoric. But, that's just me...
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Talullahhound
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 4:51:23 PM
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Well, I think that is a possiblity that BO or JM could be one term Presidents. We have no way of knowing what will happen. I personally believe that "W" would have been a one term President if 9/11 hadn't happened. His father might have had another term if the Gulf War hadn't ended when it did. Remember how popular he was at the end of Desert Storm? A year later all anyone cared about was the economy.
John McCain could spend his entire term fighting with Congress and not get anything done. A national security crisis could happen that would keep BO from achieving any of his domestic plans.
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AUCATZ
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 4:57:45 PM
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< I'm aware I'm beating a dead horse here > but, if there is another terrorist crisis, can you honestly tell me you feel like Obama and Joe Biden can handle it? Obama wants to be friends with world leaders, and Biden - for all his worldly travels - hasn't really done a lot of foreign policy other than sitting on committees that I am aware of. It is also scary to me that Obama has admitted more than once that Joe will be handling foreign policy because he (BO) doesn't have that as his strong suite (his words, not mine).
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I don't think there is any guarentee that John McCain will be able to accompllish any of his stuff either. He could spend his entire first term fighting with Congress. There is also no more guarentee that his policies will work any better than BO's. I see merits in both plans, but I have my doubts on both sides how they will be able to implement them. You see, I don't buy into your basic assumption that John McCain has all these "accomplishments" that prove his will work -- any more that you buy into OB's assuptions. I don't think there is any love lost between Hilary and JM either. And Hilary is looking forward to 2012 no matter what she says now.
I don't think it is possible to debate this with any kind of certainty. I would wager that John McCain "plans" are just that too. I haven't seen anything beyond plans from either of them. There are just too many variables that they can't change or predict.
I'm sorry I can't tell you exactly how BO will implement his plans, but I don't think you can tell me exactly how JM will implement his either. As far as I'm concerned it's philosophy right now. I doubt that George Bush could have told you last election cycle exactly how he would respond to the current economic crisis either.
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Talullahhound
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 5:10:10 PM
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I feel just as confident about Obama and Biden as I do about McCain and Palin. In fact, Palin scares the H*ll out of me in terms of foreign policy. I don't think Obama intends to turn foreign policy over to Joe Biden. I think he said that he would take Biden's council about it because he doesn't have as much experience as Joe Biden. And I'm still not clear exactly what JM's foreign policy credentials are beyond his saying he has them.
And iI don't see anything wrong with talking to other world leaders who may not agree with us. It's called diplomacy, and I like it a lot more than I like sending young people off to fight. I'm a big fan of the Powell doctrine
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Talullahhound
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 5:12:59 PM
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And I'm not trying to be a smart-a** here, but what world affairs experiences of JM's are you reassured by?
And I assume that you don't believe that Sara Palin has foreign policy chops?
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AUCATZ
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TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE
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10/24/2008 5:16:53 PM
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I'd take McCain's world experiences in a heartbeat over most others. As for the VP thing, McCain didn't pick Sarah to run things for him. Obama said he was weak in foreign policy and that he is relying on Joe to help him along. Working in the underpriveliged areas of Chicago, writing books on his upbringing and his intentions to be a success, and, let's see,,,is it 16 months in the Senate now or less? ...doesn't a President make in my mind. Obama offers nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, as a President - except a winning smile and some great (allbeit shaky and vacillating) rhetoric.
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