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Rob Roy
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More Stupid Obama Behavior
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4/21/2009 1:33:06 PM
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Now he says he may support prosecutions of Bush people who set up the interrogrations of the terrorists!!! What the h=== is this guy thinking or doing? Is he no longer just naive or inexperienced but h===bent to do us great harm? What can his motives be? This goes way beyond just politics! At some point you have to believe that he can't be this stupid and is doing some of these actions with malice of forethought. Malice not just toward the prior administration but to our society and country. I was willing to give him a break after his win and see what happened. What has happened is truely scary. I thought Hannity was over the top with his prior evaluation of him. Now I'm not sure he didn't understate the concerns! I have seen nothing, I repeat nothing from this administration that gives us any hope at all as to how the country is going! Oh, sorry, three pirates eliminated by the Navy. If I were a betting man I would wager that "O" didn't make that decision but let it up to the on site commander to make it. That way he had an out if it went south. I guess that is one good action. At least pass the decision to a responsable person. I don't know what will unfold tomorrow but the only hope I see for a reasonable future for our country is for responsable repubs and conservative dems to gain enough control of the House and Senate to slow down and/or reverse this downhill slide !! Heaven help us until 2010.
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Summer Lover
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More Stupid Obama Behavior
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4/21/2009 1:42:38 PM
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The First Lady has said that she was not proud of our country during her adult life until last year - no further explanation should be required.
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Talullahhound
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What he Really Said
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4/21/2009 2:14:42 PM
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama on Tuesday left open the possibility of criminal prosecution for Bush administration officials who drew up the legal basis for interrogation techniques that many view as torture.
"I think we should be looking forward," President Obama says Tuesday.
Obama said it will be up to Attorney General Eric Holder to decide whether or not to prosecute the former officials.
"With respect to those who formulated those legal decisions, I would say that is going to be more a decision for the attorney general within the parameter of various laws, and I don't want to prejudge that," Obama said during a meeting with Jordan's King Abdullah at the White House.
"There's a host of very complicated issues involved there. As a general deal, I think we should be looking forward and not backward.
"I do worry about this getting so politicized that we cannot function effectively, and it hampers our ability to carry out critical national security operations."
So it is not quite what you have stated. It's a question whether they exceeded their legal authority.
As far as the use of force by the Navy in the pirate situation -- the President has to authorize the use of military forces in a civil situation. I'm sure he left the decision on when to fire up to the Commanding Officer, but only the President can decide if the situation presents a threat to US national security. There are laws that govern the use of the military in "police actions".
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Swimmer27
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Piracy is Piracy
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4/21/2009 3:27:42 PM
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In the thousands of years that the world has dealt with pirates, piracy has never been considered a 'police' action, but an act of war. You libs really need to learn and understand the difference.
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Pier Pressure
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More Stupid Obama Behavior
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4/21/2009 3:38:55 PM
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My question is this. the current President of the United States gives his opinions that the activities were in his opinion "torture". He says he is open to prosecution. What would keep a "world court" from trying Bush for war crimes? Nothing, and Obabma would welcome it. If that happens we will be facing serious civil unrest in this country!
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Talullahhound
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Piracy is Piracy
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4/21/2009 6:03:51 PM
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I don't want to split hairs with you, but in days of old, it was an act of war because countries actually owned the ships or sailed under "contract" to the government and therefore attacks on the ship were considered an attack on the country. But, in this case, you are talking about commercial ships (not Navy or government ships)undertaking a commercial voyage and the fact remains that defense of civilian interests constitutes "police" action. And the President has to make the determintation. In fact, I think he has to do it in consulation with Congress.
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Talullahhound
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More Stupid Obama Behavior
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4/21/2009 6:15:43 PM
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No, that's not what he is saying. He is leaving open the possibility of the lawyers who interpreted the law as to the actions proposed and gave a legal opinion may have deliberately misinterpreted the legal definition of torture. This is a very fine line, and I have a feeling that the AG will not chose to pursue it.
In order for Bush to be tried for "war crimes" they would have to be able to prove that he deliberately overrode a legal opinion and directed the torture. Believe me, all Presidents are kept well insulated from this kind of stuff.
This is a tempest in a teapot. All Obama is saying is that he's not going to deny review and possible prosecution. Nothing is going to come out of this because the AG would have to produce witnesses and documentation that the lawyers knowingly and willingly misinterpreted the law.
And think about it, if the lawyers who interepreted the definition of torture did so deliberately, shouldn't they be prosecuted? Government lawyers serving the Administration are supposed to objectively interpret the law and make sure that the Administration stays within the limits of the law, not bend to political pressure.
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Pier Pressure
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4/22/2009 6:05:29 PM
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While making a compelling argument, I think you are missing my point. Are you familiar with Sarbanes Oxley? CEOs cannot hide behind the excuse that they paid professionals who should know financial law to accomplish their accounting if they submit fraudulent information. If CEOs can’t use ignorance of the law as an excuse, how can the President? As the Commander In Chief, the President is ultimately responsible for the actions of those below him. How are those advisors who serve below him not to be considered as having conflict of interest? I am talking about a world court opinion, not an American opinion. My point was that Obama is opening up the possibility with publicly stating this opinion.
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Talullahhound
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More Stupid Obama Behavior
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4/22/2009 6:25:53 PM
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I guess you are right.
I heard more about this last night. Apparently this came up as a result of several Congressional investigations that are on-going, so Obama was answering the question about whether he would seek to block any criminal prosecutions that might come out of the investigation.
I think Congress and the Administration should just let this go. What is done is done. I'm not saying that I favor torture because we got information out of it, but some things should just be left alone. It sounds like a legal goatrope to me and nothing will come out of it. Nothing comes out of most Congressional reports except more hot air. I don't think Obama wants to see anything happen to Bush, because he doesn't know where the next crisis is going to take him.
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MartiniMan
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More Stupid Obama Behavior
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4/22/2009 9:43:26 PM
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This is just one of many incredibly stupid, naive and dangerous acts of this incompetent administration. To go after attorneys who provide legal advice and opinions to an administration will simply paralyze this country. What attorney in their right mind would open themselves up to persecution by a subsequent administration? You will either no longer be served by legal counsel if you work for government or the legal counsel would provide all opinions and advice not based on the law but on covering their own a$$es.
Here is my suggestion, if they continue on this path Republicans in Congress should stand up in unison and declare that when they regain control of Congress and/or the White House that they will investigate every member of the Obama administration for every piece of advice they give to the President and will investigate the President for acting on that legal advice. Let's watch the paralysis occur. This is not only without precedent but it is headed down a road where we as a country do not want to go.
This is what we get, HOPEless and CHANGE for the worse.
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