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jrh3
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obam's healthcare
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6/28/2009 8:11:48 PM
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My healthcare benefits will be taxed but for some reason ALL union workers will continue to get the same tax free????
Is there a hidden agenda here??????????????
This stinks... What a way to stimulate the economy. Only the Left
could come up with this one....
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water_watcher
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welcome to socialism
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6/28/2009 8:54:29 PM
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and redistribution of wealth. you have too much, make too much and have been too successful so BO needs to fix that and penalize you for working hard by taking from you to subsidize others.
That will teach you, once he can get more equality in everyones standard of living we will all be equal and more happy because no one will have an incentive to make more of themselves.
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GoneFishin
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welcome to socialism
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6/28/2009 10:44:57 PM
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During the campaign, Obama was against taxing benfits, However, the health plan Mccain outlined had the effect of increasing tax payments for some workers, primarily those with high incomes and expensive health plans. Now the Dems are doing a reverseal and it is wrong. Either for all or none.
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architect
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obam's healthcare..sez who
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6/29/2009 9:19:19 AM
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Please site your source for this statement.
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MovinFr8
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Union workers would be exempt
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6/29/2009 10:44:22 AM
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URL: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Union-workers-would-be-exempt-from-Dem-health-care-tax_06_23-48810402.html
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lamont
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Sweeeeeet.....
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6/29/2009 11:00:32 AM
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Now that makes a lot of sense. Gotta keep that big "Dem" voting block in tact. Kinda of like the early days of Social Security. It was such a great deal for the great unwashed that the Senators and Reps were exempt. When will this pandering stop?
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MartiniMan
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This is just one of many
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6/29/2009 6:16:53 PM
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campaign promises with an expiration date. We are all used to politicians that say one thing in a campaign and then do another but Obama is breathtaking is his broken promises and the government media is AWOL as usual. The good news is they have floated the idea that union-provided health care will be exempt from taxation. First he delivered GM and Chrysler to the unions and now this payoff. I actually hope they do this because it will be a HUGE leverage issue for the GOP in 2010.
Other examples. Axelrod on the weekend shows has officially taken the "No tax increases whatsoever for anyone under $250K" off the table. Of course, for those of us with an ounce of sense we knew it was a lie from the very beginning. Actually with the carbon cap and tax plan every American will be subjected to the largest tax increase in our history (on average around $4K per household on annual basis). He also lied about taking public funding for his campaign and wisely reneged only after McCain was stuck (a delicious bit of irony for those of us who view McCain-Feingold as unconstitutional). There are several others I saw listed recently but you get the picture.....
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did movinFR8 link help you? I would hate you to think that conservatives that think BO is taking this country in the wrong direction with a move to socialism and big government, can not back up what they say with facts.
Maybe if you open your eyes a little you will see the light. You already pointed out what you did not like about Obama ... but you have not said what you do and why you continue to support him?
I know it is hard to come up with something ... so give up on him before he totally ruins this country.
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MartiniMan
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Well Archie??
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6/30/2009 8:20:01 AM
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You asked for a source, you got it. What do you think? In my view it is just one of many bald-faced paybacks to the unions for their support ala the Chicago political machine. It is a payoff (just like the GM and Chrysler payoffs) plain and simple and once again the government-run media is giving him a complete pass.
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architect
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Well Archie??
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6/30/2009 8:50:03 PM
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jamey DuPree this morning on the Neal Boortz show debunked the story. He has asked several sources putting out this story to point out any place in any of the legislation being considered re: Healthcare Reform and related financing scheme and no one has been able to do so.
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architect
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Archie
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6/30/2009 8:54:19 PM
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You prensented no facts, only a news article which had no back up provided. See my post above . I'll ask you: site any proposal in the bills being considered for healthcare reform and/or financing possibilities which actually include this proposal.
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MartiniMan
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Who's Jamie Dupree?
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6/30/2009 9:24:38 PM
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MartiniMan
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Sorry to bust your bubble
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6/30/2009 9:31:09 PM
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I know there is no written legislation as yet but I think this piece from a news source not known to be conservative demonstrates it is under serious consideration. I know you want this not to be true Archie but it is seriously being considered and is just plain wrong!!!
Unions’ Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Proposal (Update1)
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By Ryan J. Donmoyer and Holly Rosenkrantz
June 26 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Senate proposal to impose taxes for the first time on “gold-plated” health plans may bypass generous employee benefits negotiated by unions.
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, the chief congressional advocate of taxing some employer-provided benefits to help pay for an overhaul of the U.S. health system, says any change should exempt perks secured in existing collective- bargaining agreements, which can be in place for as long as five years.
The exception, which could make the proposal more politically palatable to Democrats from heavily unionized states such as Michigan, is adding controversy to an already contentious debate. It would shield the 12.4 percent of American workers who belong to unions from being taxed while exposing some other middle-income workers to the levy.
“I can’t think of any other aspect of the individual income tax that treats benefits of different people differently because of who they work for,” said Chris Edwards, director of tax policy studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington research group that often criticizes Democrats’ economic proposals. Edwards said the carve-out “smacks of political favoritism.”
Baucus, a Montana Democrat, is proposing to tax Americans whose health insurance is valued at a higher rate than what is offered to federal employees. About 40 percent of insured Americans have costlier benefits, and Baucus has said he is trying to set the level at which taxes would be imposed high enough so fewer people are affected.
‘Gold-Plated’ Plans
The policy is aimed at so-called “gold-plated” plans such as the $40,543 in health benefits paid to Lloyd Blankfein, chief executive of New York-based Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the fifth largest U.S. bank by assets.
It can also affect companies such as Henderson, Nevada- based Zappos.com, where workers’ $11 per hour pay is supplemented by employer-paid health insurance plans worth about $7,500. Federal workers’ health benefits are worth about $4,200 for individuals and $13,000 for families.
Lawmakers are crafting legislation aimed at meeting Obama’s goal of bringing down the cost of health care and expanding coverage to the 46 million Americans who lack insurance. Obama wants Democratic congressional leaders to seek Republican support, and to send him legislation by mid-October.
Baucus said yesterday the cost of health-care options his panel is considering can be cut to $1 trillion over 10 years and won’t add to the deficit, citing the Congressional Budget Office.
Cost Estimates
The non-partisan budget office last week delivered an informal cost estimate of $1.6 trillion for the legislation to overhaul the health-care system, sparking protests from both Republicans and Democrats and prompting Baucus to say his panel may delay consideration of a bill until next month.
“CBO now tells us we have options that would enable us to write a $1 trillion bill, fully paid for,” Baucus, who set that amount as his goal, told reporters at the Capitol.
The panel’s legislation must be joined with competing proposals from other Senate and House committees and forged into a single bill subject to negotiation and approval by both chambers before it can be sent to Obama.
Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat, said earlier this week that senators are coalescing around the idea of taxing some employer-provided benefits. Baucus said the details are still being negotiated, including how high to set the tax-free exclusion and when any changes would take effect, and whether to exempt union employees until their current contracts expire.
Cutting ‘Subsidy’
“It is hard for me to see how you can have a package that is paid for that does not reduce the subsidy” on employer-paid benefits, Conrad said.
Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell, the top-ranking Republican in the chamber, said today he has “serious reservations about capping the exclusion, particularly if they have a carve-out for union members,” according to his communications director, Don Stewart. Stewart taped McConnell’s comments and provided excerpts to a reporter.
Stewart said McConnell, discussing the prospect of a tax on some employer-provided benefits, said “table-pounding opposition” would result “if it were to exclude union members.”
Gerald Shea, an AFL-CIO official lobbying for health-care reform, said grandfathering benefits negotiated in a collective bargaining agreement is a “common thing when there is a big change in federal law.”
‘Expectations Are Set’
“Once a collective bargaining agreement is set, employer’s budgets are set, workers expectations are set. It doesn’t make sense to go back in the middle of the contract and change it,” he said.
Union groups and workers said Congress shouldn’t target contractually negotiated benefits.
Anna Burger, secretary-treasurer of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview that workers have often traded salary increases for better benefits in agreements.
Taxes “shouldn’t be taken from the backs of workers who have bargained away wages and other things for their benefits over the years,” Burger said.
Sandra Carter, a retired Pacific Bell Telephone Co. technician from Stockton, California, said her health benefits, worth about $12,000 per year, were negotiated by the Communications Workers of America. She is unmarried with no children, meaning her individual coverage exceeds benefits paid to federal workers by about $7,800. If that amount were taxed at the 15 percent marginal rate, she would owe $1,170.
“I can’t afford the taxes I pay now,” said Carter, who said she suffers from diabetes. “Why should I get taxed on a benefit that keeps me a functioning person?”
Union Opposition
Other unions say they’re opposed to a tax on some employer- provided benefits, regardless of whether collective bargaining agreements are exempt.
“Either way, we are against a tax on health-care benefits in whatever form it takes,” said Jacob Hay, spokesman for the Laborers’ International Union of North America. The union represents 500,000 workers, largely in the construction industry.
To contact the reporters on this story: Ryan J. Donmoyer in Washington at rdonmoyer@bloomberg.netHolly Rosenkrantz in Washington at hrosenkrantz@bloomberg.net
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