Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/26/2021 11:09:19 AM

Just wondering, have you received the Covid vaccine? Do you support others receiving the vaccine?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/26/2021 11:40:41 AM

Whether he did or didn't is Protected Health Information, and his option to divulge...or not.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/26/2021 11:53:04 AM

Goofy is merely seeking affirmation of his personal health care decision.  Why he needs it is anyone't guess.  Frankly, I make my own decisions on something like this based on my personal health situation, age and the risks of the vaccine versus the risks of an infection.  Certainly not based on what someone else decides or any of the silly shaming.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/26/2021 12:40:24 PM

Yeah, when I stated that getting the shot was my personal choice but everyone has the right to make their own choice for their own reasons he came back with "you have already made it obvious that when it comes to the vaccine, the personal choice of an individual outweighs the health, safety and security of the rest of the nation."  Seems to me if someone is worried about possibly getting it from the unvaccinated, they have a choice to get vaccinated themselves and thus remove that risk.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Hey Mr H, I think that comment was from me
Date:	7/26/2021 1:33:59 PM

so please do not credit it to GF.  I still wonder if you feel the same way about drunk driving and if not why not?  Yeah IT IS a loaded question, but a good one.  After all In both cases doing what you want to do instesad of what is in the best interest of the citizens brings dire and unwanted results.  Me-ma Ivey knows it, why don't all you smart guys know it?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	GF it has been my sad experience that CRD
Date:	7/26/2021 1:41:21 PM

NEVER answers a question and neither does Mr H! Any question, no matter how simple, that requires even a hint of taking a position that is not in 100% alignment with the Creed of Trump Personalty Cult it is at best ignored but more likely condemned as being ''loaded''.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/26/2021 1:48:06 PM

Assuming of course the vaccine works.....which it is looking more and more like it is not nearly as effective against the Delta variant.  I was disinvited to a company dinner last week because I wasn't fully vaccinated.  Didn't want to go anyway but I was sorely tempted to ask them, if everyone else is vaccinated why would you care if I wasn't...unless the vaccine doesn't work?  I didn't ask because I didn't want to go. 

As I have stated repeatedly, were my personal circumstances different I would have already gotten the vaccine.  But they aren't and I am still inclined to wait until more data is available on its effectiveness and the risk of adverse effects.  In essence, I am disinclined to be a test subject for an experimental vaccine using a never-tried technology that had to be approved for use on an emerency basis.  And I do so knowing that I would take the same position regardless of who is President.

Operation Warpspeed was an amazing feat and it will save countless lives of the elderly and those with 2 or more co-morbidities who are at real risk of dying from the virus.  I consider it an awful choice for the young and healthy given what we know about the virus.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	For MM: "he" = Archie in my post above
Date:	7/26/2021 1:49:34 PM

Gotcha.....I should have guessed that given the non-sensical nature of the quote.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	GF it has been my sad experience that CRD
Date:	7/26/2021 2:41:12 PM

sounds more like they figured out your question about what is chicken chit and chicken salad - and they put your questions more in the chit catagory.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/26/2021 2:45:33 PM

If the vaccine is a damn 95%+ wonder drug then why is the White House which is probably 100% vaxed - why are there any break through cases, and more importantly why is the number of break through events not something that they would report vs attempting to hide that data.  

If the Trump admin had said this it would have been impeachment #3

A reporter asked Circle-Back-Psaki to release the number of break-through COVID cases in the White House.

REPORTER: "Are you trying to hide something?"

JEN: "Why do you need to have that information?"

REPORTER: "For the case of transparency, the interest of the public..."

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	GF it has been my sad experience that CRD
Date:	7/26/2021 7:32:37 PM

If your questions, Archie, were profound and stimulated a degree of thought, I might consider.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	GF it has been my sad experience that CRD
Date:	7/26/2021 8:25:43 PM (updated 7/26/2021 8:29:36 PM)

Stop phrasing your questions so that by answering I might be tacitly agreeing with some part of the question (that is, by the way, always negative toward Trump or anything conservative or Republican) and I might answer one or some of them.  Your questions are thinly veiled (or not veiled at all) attempts to trick someone into an answer that you would trumpet as evidence of your DJT hating position.

I have a question for you.  Since you have roundly criticized the positions, intelligence, and motivation of "most of this forum" and you obviously have made NO progress getting us to buy into your positions, why do you bother posting on this forum at all?  We are strong-minded and strong-willed people who don't react well to the rants of someone who is consumed with hatred of Donald Trump.  I hate neither Trump nor Joe Biden, but strongly believe that the Biden presidency is a clear and present danger to the survivability of this nation.  No matter how hard you try you will not sway me from that belief so anything from you trying to do so will just be wasted keystrokes. 

The stump awaits your arrival.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I continue posting because I am of the devoutly
Date:	7/26/2021 9:16:48 PM

held opinion that DJT and many of his supporters are consciously willing if required to destroying democracy in this nation I love in order to regain and then stay in control and I fully intend to exercise my 1st amendement rights to make that belief known until I am convinced otherwise or until they win and my 1st amendment rights are no longer available...is that clear enough Mr H?

Now I have answered your question so instaed of whining about mine try answering one for a change.  I don't demand ''yes or no'' and am perfectly happy to have you include as many caveats or contextural framing or explanatory comments or other points of reference as you might chose to include in order to frame your answer. With that kind of leeway it is haed to justify the ''gotcha'' question claim.

You are convinced you are a patriot and l certainly agree that you in fact are.  Please grant me the same consideration.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	I continue posting because I am of the devoutly
Date:	7/26/2021 10:15:27 PM (updated 7/26/2021 10:19:43 PM)

You answered my question and I answer yours by saying yes, that is clear.  What I don't understand is your methodology in exercising your first amendment right if, indeed, you are trying to "win over" some of the rest on this forum.  Confrontation is not going to work and you should see that by now.

I believe in give and take dialogue, such as the many times I have stated that I do not like Donald Trump as a person.  I believe more in the what than the who, and the country responded very nicely to the policies enacted during his administration, at least until the pandemic hit and that was not his fault.  You might say he hid the truth from the country.  That might be true but I can certainly see his rationale for trying to not "stampede the gazelles" with overly pessimistic assessments while trying to get a grip on how serious it really was.  And his main guy has turned out to be nothing short of the consummate bureocrat who can't keep the same story more than two days in a row.

If there was any satisfaction on Trump's part in what happened January 6th, I could see him as a flawed human being feeling that way after he had been treated so badly from the day he was elected.  It turned out he was falsely accused and the real shitbags are those in Congress who knowingly lied through their teeth with what turned out to be preposterous accusations that were just flat-assed lies.  They are the ones...Schiff, Swalwell, Nadler, Pelosi, and the rest who should be sent packing.  Lies on top of lies on top of lies.

So go ahead then, exercise your first amendment rights and keep beating your head against that brick wall knowing that I, and from what I read others on this forum, choose not to be so concerned about the person but about what that person does for or to the United States of America.  And no, I do not share your opinion that DJT is some existential threat to the nation.  If he were, he would have done something after the election more serious than bloviating and going through the courts to try to win his case.  

I fully expect you to respond, and when you do remember I am exercising my first amendment rights as well and don't have to answer to you about anything I post here.  Try unemotional logic and reason, and if you make claims back them up with your source.  Otherwise I will throw them into the bit bucket and continue to enjoy living in the best country in the world.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I pray we both continue to live
Date:	7/27/2021 12:00:36 AM

in the greatest nation to ever exist, but I do not believe that description of America will continue to apply if Trump ever sits again in the Oval Office.  You can have your opinion and, at least until the guy you apparently consider no worse than the lesser of two evils takes it away, I can express mine.  I certainly know I will not change any minds on this forum but until the dangerous cult so strongly supported by most on this forum takes takes my right to do so away (a desire that Trump and some of his followers openly express)  I refuse to stop expressing the strongly held beliefs of my mind!

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	I continue posting because I am of the devoutly
Date:	7/27/2021 8:34:23 AM

Good thing we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy that you are attempting to save from a former president and the people who voted for him.

I look forward to the midterms and 2024.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	I pray we both continue to live
Date:	7/27/2021 8:46:10 AM (updated 7/27/2021 8:47:05 AM)

Sounds like more bull chit.  Name someone who has tried to take away your right to free speech?  You are more full of chit the Jussie Smollett - you have to invent a boogie man.

Now since you love the 1st so much lets talk about the 2nd - which I know you think only applies to militia and love to leave out the rest of it through selective editing.  Which party is the one attacking that one?

As to the right to vote - we disagree that requiring an ID is voter supression vs a basic check to determine if you should have a right to vote.  There is little stopping someone from voting if they make basically any effort at all to show up.  The left is attacking voting laws in Texas and Georgia that are more relaxed then many leftist states, because requring anything is racist and voter supression, which is BS.  Thankfully I have seen several polls over the last few years that show that POC are not buying what you are selling in terms of ID requirements.  Now we have gone from voter ID is Jim Crow 2.0 to demonrats have never been against voter ID in the national media - so I am guessing the focus group decided that it was not working.

Hopefully you checked my link to the History channel and Jim Crow and KKK that was all about preventing POC from voting (By Democrats).  If you missed it I will be happy to post the link again https://www.history.com/topics/reconstruction/ku-klux-klan

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/27/2021 8:51:07 AM

Would be interesting to see the percentage of WH staff that have been vaccinated.  Hope its better than the numbers at the CDC and NIH.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Stop with the old ''we are not a democracy'' BS
Date:	7/27/2021 9:01:21 AM (updated 7/27/2021 9:04:54 AM)

We are a republic which is a representative (and in our case constitutional) democracy...a system of rule (laws) determined by the people's representatives who are democratically elected by the people.  Our democratic republic does have some flaws today...the built in flaw of the electoral college which bakes in the dangerous possibility of permanent minority rule, and more recently the fact that today the representatives select their voters rather than the other way around (gerrymandering) and first and foremost, your cult hero. 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/27/2021 9:03:28 AM

Care to post what those numbers are - based on all the reporting it would have to be 100% for anyone in the federal government shouldnt it, based on the demands / name calling of the unvaxxed?  It would have to be better then Alabamastan right?????

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Stop with the old ''we are not a democracy'' BS
Date:	7/27/2021 9:26:29 AM (updated 7/27/2021 9:53:21 AM)

Funny didnt see you bitching too much about minority rights back when demonrats were in the minority and used the tools at their disposal such as the filibuster very often.

Gerrymandering goes both ways - republicans and demonrats both do it, and for the same reasons, you just get pissed whos turn it is.  Just like with the filibuster now, and packing the courts now that demonrats do not anticipate a majority at the supreme court anymore.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/03/new-york-democrats-gerrymandering-elections/618452/

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/how-maryland-democrats-pulled-off-their-aggressive-gerrymander/article_0339d64a-e5c6-5735-8f56-fd336e0207f2.html

You are nothing but the kid on the playground who gets pissed when he is struggling and either changes the rules constantly to benefit himself  or just says screw it and takes his ball home so that no one can participate.  Lets look at the filibuster - national news is telling us how the evil republicans are using to thwart the will of the voters and it has to go, but when demonrats flee Texas to now allow a quorum and basically filibuster legistlation they do not agree with the national media, demonrats hold them out as examples of how it should be done with superspreader events at the White House and congress - I am amazed they did not get a ticker tape parade, but then again they are begging for care packages from homes as apparently they can not locate sewing kits or Dr. Pepper anywhere on their room service menus or local stores.  But then again after all the riots, covid fears, arson and looting maybe the stores just closed and that is why they can not get the things they want shipped to them for free while staying in really nice hotels.

Our system of government ensures minority rights - But then again, I have a feeling you have not met a minority you dont mind taking rights from.

 Yeah so stop with the Republicans are evil as a minority(or majority) and do X and we never do something like that BS. Thankfully, some of the rules you want to change(EC) are in the constitution and require more then a simple majority to change.

As for gerrymandering - I would love a simple alternative - lines must match county lines, and must be counties must be connected, and as much as possible the number of voters in the state districts must be equal +/- some percentage ( needed for some cities/counties that are have high populations and may become a stand alone district. )  Haveing seen some of the insane district lines in both red and blue states - I wonder which party would be more vocal and not being able to carve it up along racial and political lines.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/27/2021 9:52:33 AM

No one knows.....apparently Baghdad Jen was asked and claimed that vaccinations are not mandatory in the WH and wouldn't provide the numbers and actually claimed they were not available.  As for the CDC and NIH, pretty much the same story although according to Fauci in May it was around half or maybe as much as 60%.......stunning to me to think that almost 40% of CDC and FDA staff were not vaccinated despite being first in line to get them.  Not sure where the number stands today as no one is saying.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	CRD???????
Date:	7/27/2021 9:56:59 AM

well if they are not reporting the numbers, it probably does not reflect well based on their unvaxxed attacks.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Exactamundo!!
Date:	7/27/2021 10:03:33 AM

I could care less about the WH numbers.......but the CDC and FDA ones are mind blowing.  One would think if the scuttlebutt in these agencies were how wonderful and safe and effective these experimental vaccines are that they would be 100% vaccinated.  That they are not is akin to the c-suite guys dumping their own stock before the next earnings call.....they know something we don't.

Name:	Smitty -	Reply
Subject:	Stop with the old ''we are not a democracy'' BS
Date:	7/27/2021 10:53:46 AM

I post occasionally not to turn you guys around but rather my feeling that if I dont post, I have given into you and what you believe which to me is simply not right.....and sometimes insane.  Selfish I guess....but it is something I need to do.

Any of you right wingers play golf?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Stop with the old ''we are not a democracy'' BS
Date:	7/27/2021 11:02:09 AM (updated 7/27/2021 11:13:54 AM)

And we so look forward to your posts about.... golf......

So which part was insane that drove you to post ?  Was it that both parties do bad things?  Was it that gerrymandering is bad not depending on which party did it?  Was it that minority rights should be done away with for majority rules is insane?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Phil that post is 10 lbs of BS in a 5 lb bag
Date:	7/31/2021 3:06:52 PM (updated 7/31/2021 3:16:59 PM)

but the biggest load is that screed about our system of government protecting minority rights.  Today it more correct to say it guarantees minority rule.  Protecting minority rights might have been an idea that worked reasonably well in 1800 when the largest state was 5 times larger than the smallest, but today when the largest state with 2 senators and 55 EV's is 7 times larger than the 10 smallest states combined with their 20 senators and 32 EV's, it means that today our system of government pretty much guarantees minority rule!  Even when the Republicans had only 40% of the senators back in 2010 those 40 senators represented only 33% of the population.  Today 50 GOP senators are from states with less than 41% of the population. A filibuster stopping legislation effecting 330,000,000 could conceivably be forced by senators representing less than 1.5% of the nation's citizens.  Typical that you consider all this fair since your crowd is part of the minority that rules the senate and most states.  Somebody who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Antifatech - how much BS can you stuff in a sack?
Date:	8/2/2021 8:47:15 AM

You have exceeded the structural integrity of the sack btw.....

We will be happy to revisit in 2022 after the midterm elections, I have a feeling your feelings may change when hopefully the US sends demonrats packing in both chambers and puts dementia joe into the land of lame duck till the 2024 election.

I remember you complaining about Obama's legistlation being stopped, but do not remember you complaining nearly as much when the demonrats were using those same tools to stop Trump - but let me guess in your mind that was justified because TRRRRUMMMPPPPP.