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LifeTime Laker
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??? for Hobo's
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9/23/2007 12:57:27 PM
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How is the group structured? What are the bylaws? What I am trying to discern is what process is used before the 'leaders' write letters and make press releases. Do the 3-4 of you guys just decide to put something out without it being discussed and voted on by the membership? I don't recall a meeting to discuss the recent letters sent to the CORPS and the Governor. If this is the structure how can you claim to represent the membership, much less all concerned 'stakeholders'. I believe the recent letters show an arrogance that is detrimental to the long range goals of the group. Basically what you have is 3-4 guys that put forth their opinion, NOT the groups. But you use the 'group' to claim numbers. How do you know the 'group' would give a majority vote to pursue such a path? I believe when both sides are presented, you may not have as many supporters as you claim. You may, arrogance seems to rule the day lately, but how do you KNOW if it is not discussed? I have never been asked to join a group/club/organization where I was expected to pay dues without a voice or vote in the direction of the groups agenda. I would be interested to see bylaws that allowed the 'leaders' such leeway. Is the same true of the finances? You few leaders just decide to spend the groups money and that is that. No discussion or vote? If that is the way it works you guys built quite a little club for yourselves.
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Uncle Sam
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Answer from a member.
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9/23/2007 4:00:27 PM
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Sad to say I don't know the answers to your questions. I can say, however, that I have never been contacted for my opinion on any issue. I have been told what I believe and what I want, though, which I find very disconcerting, especially since I do NOT believe some of the things they say I do. Needless to say, when my membership dues come up, I will not be renewing. It appears that this group is actually concerned only with the needs of a few, while using the finances and sheer numbers of many to achieve those goals.
Rest assured that every letter HOBO sends to a politician or government official is followed up with one from me, pointing out that, despite their claims, this group does NOT speak for me.
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Maverick
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??? for Hobo's
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9/23/2007 4:01:41 PM
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LTL – Lets just say in your lifetime you would never guess who the HOBOs spoke with prior to writing the letters to the Corp and Governor, but they were written after discussions with lets just say a rather influential group.
Secondly the HOBOs are approaching close to 1,000 members in less than 3 months. So obviously there are numerous others lake stakeholders who share our concerns regarding Lake Martin and the surrounding community.
Since you are continually taking pot shots at folks and the HOBOs, on this forum, which in my opinion, are actually getting very very old to say the least, I will answer your questions this one time.
Let me begin by stating most if not all your questions you asked can be easily answered by going to the HOBO’s website as all meeting minutes, correspondence, bylaws, etc., are posted on the organizations website for all to view (members and non-members).
One of the questions on the membership application in order to obtain feedback from new members is “Lake Concerns” and the response to this question have been explicitly, without a doubt:
- Water quality
- Water levels
- Zoning
So by one of your questions I have to assume every corporation you hold stock in must contact you before they make a business decision? As that is what you have implied by asking – “Do the 3-4 of you guys just decide to put something out without it being discussed and voted on by the membership?” The HOBOs are structured just like a corporation in that they have Officers and a Board of Directors, which were duly elected and empowered by the membership to run the HOBO business on a day-to-day basis. All of which are posted on the website for all the review.
Again just like a corporation the organization sets an annual budget, which is approved by its membership and posted in the website. It is there just go look.
In closing, LTL give it a rest as this organization along with numerous other local, state and other entities are banning together in an attempt bring new and exciting events to the lake to support the local community and its businesses. As I have stated before the HOBOs are about the lake, but they are also about supporting the local community.
FYI, meetings of the organization are open to the public, pursuant to the bylaws, so feel free to come anytime, as all are welcome.
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JIM
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??? for Hobo's
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9/23/2007 4:16:37 PM
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Face it folk`s.The lake was not inpounded for recreation,that being last on the agenda in 1927. No matter how much the homeowners b`itch and moan, making sure you have water to play in should be a low piority if the persons in charge do their job.
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LifeTime Laker
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??? for Hobo's
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9/23/2007 4:30:59 PM
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Well Mav if these 'influential' folks you spoke with prior to the letters is so important, why not post who they are instead of veiled references to important people. Why hide it if everything is so above board? As for stocks I own, I try to only buy in companies whose stated goals and ambitions I agree with or that will offer me the greatest return in the form of dividends or increase in share price. I didn't suggest that anyone has to check with me before doing anything, but holding a meeting and putting it to a vote would be expected. I saw no notification of a called meeting to discuss the letters before they went out.
As for water levels, everybody is concerned about water levels. The problem is the water levels are being controlled by God. Nobody can change that, not HOBO, CORP, GOV, APCO, or even PRESIDENT. What HOBO seems to advocate is holding water in Lake Martin to the detriment of everyone else downstream. There are professionals who are working on the problem everyday with a lot more data than you could possibly imagine to try and make sure that everyone survives with as little disruption as possible to commerce and the environment.
As for my 'potshots', well that just seems like somebody who fears opposing views being expressed. What you call potshots, I call viewpoints and couldn't care less if you, or anyone else is tired of them. There is a post right above you that seems to agree with me, so how can you claim to represent the only view. If you or any of the officers can't stand the heat, then step off the podium. This forum is here for just such debate. Not for you and the HOBO to use to spread misinformation and propaganda without being challenged
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And I believe the letters from individuals like us probably carry more weight than the ones from the HOBO since we inform them that the few Hobo's are NOT representative of the Lake Martin community. I will NEVER expect someone else to suffer just so I have water to play in at the end of my dock. And I believe anyone that advocates for that will be duly overlooked.
Now the scary thing is the post by JIM. He made sense and I agree with it.
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Lakeman
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??? for Hobo's
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9/23/2007 5:10:01 PM
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If you saw no notification for a meeting that means you are not a member. All members recieved notification.
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Maverick
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LTL
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9/23/2007 5:36:16 PM
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Maverick
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LTL Show Me Once Where
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9/23/2007 5:42:12 PM
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Where I have personally spread misinformation or propaganda on this forum and I will personally contact Bruce and have it removed.
As you have stated in your above post and I quote "Not for you and the HOBO to use to spread misinformation and propaganda without being challenged."
I am waiting as I take personal exception to your comment, which is totally false and in my opinion defamation of my character which I do not appreciate for one minute.
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LifeTime Laker
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It says you and the HOBO
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9/23/2007 6:44:16 PM
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That includes your president. I didn't say you personally. Statements that I have already pointed out such as 'drain Lake Martin" are exactly misinformation and propaganda and inflammatory in nature.
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but funny Mav didn't even put forth that lie. Which is another problem with the organization. Apparently anyone holding membership can claim to speak for the group.
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BayPineYankee
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LTL Show Me Once Where
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9/23/2007 7:03:29 PM
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Hey Broken Record/Life Time Laker. Your vitriol sure does turn to mush when someone challenges you. Why don't you give it a rest. If you by chance do belong to HOBO's just let me know and I will be happy to reimburse you for your misguided investment. Maverick and others represent my interests completely and have my vote and support
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I haven't backed down. I clarified a previous statement that stand by still.
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yes, mush.
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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You must the mush
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9/23/2007 8:51:13 PM
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I am not the one who has backed down at all. I post an opposing vewipoint and you call it vitrol. That to me would indicate mush for brains. Vitrol is what I get back after posting opposing views. Back up your arguments with facts not accusations.
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BayPineYankee
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You must the mush
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9/24/2007 8:11:30 AM
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blah, blah, blah. At least you agree with what you say.
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