Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	A Russian Supporter
Date:	3/16/2023 9:31:41 AM (updated 3/16/2023 9:32:46 AM)

DeSantis recently completed a questionnaire from Tucker on Ukraine...

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. “

Suggesting it is a "territorial dispute" certainly minimizes Russia's blantant attack on a sovereign nation which was an act of war.

DeSantis the Suckup.....to Putin

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	GOOF-IDIOT
Date:	3/16/2023 10:04:34 AM

No IDIOT, he just knows that Biden is spending BILLIONS sucking up to Ukrainians so they won’t “spill the beans” on da Biden clan!  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	A Russian Supporter
Date:	3/16/2023 10:23:12 AM

So tell us Goofy....what is our vital national interests in the dispute between Ukraine and Russia?  Just a little lesson here for you.  There is a long history of western Europe and Russia fighting over control of these buffer countries.  Fact of the matter is that WW1 started because the Romanov's of Russia were at odds with the Hapsberg dynasty in Austria/Germany over Serbia/Croatia.  Each wants control as a buffer between the two great powers.  Today is just another iteration of that dispute with the Romanov's replaced by Putin and Hapsbergs replaced by NATO.

So not being willing to get heavily involved in these disputes for non-NATO countries is not exactly a matter of being pro-Putin.  That is an intellectually lazy argument.....which of course means it fits you perfectly.  It seems to me that we are already doing plenty to support NATO but do we really want to be involved in the repeat of history, especially since the last one didn't end so well.   The reality is that Russia controlling Ukraine is far less important to our national interests than constraining China.  And the more mired we get in this conflict the more likely China will see a golden opportunity to gain control of Taiwan where we do have a significant national interest in not seeing that happen...unless you can figure out where we will go to get computer chips that run pretty much everything...or maybe you like China having even more control over our technology.  I could call you pro-Xi for your post but I know that's not it at all.....you are just ignorant of history.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Russia is not our enemy
Date:	3/16/2023 11:41:23 AM

In fact, US is more at fault than anyone by creating a dozen bio weapon labs at Russias border and may learn that C19 was birthed there and exported to labs in China.  It's not difficult to ascertain that forces in the US has been violating agreements in the region and used Ukraine for some very evil purposes such as money laundering and human trafficking.  US has been funding and training nazi forces that kill Ukrainian citizens openly and shift blame to the evil Russians.  I hope that all of this will come out soon.

let's also hope that the war mongers will soon be stopped and brought to justice.  Please do not fall for the stories from the MSM and do a little research that is not that difficult to find.  The twitter files are showing how evil these people are and have no value for human life.  Now the cartels have secured their role in the human trafficking and money laundering scheme.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	A Russian Supporter
Date:	3/16/2023 1:02:48 PM

It is a territorial dispute.  Ukraine was part of Russia for a long time.  When the Soviet Union broke up, ti declared it's indepencence.  We didn't make a big deal when Russia moved into Crimea almost 10 years ago.  That's because Crimea really wanted to be part of Russia - the language, church, even many of the people were Russian.  Ukraine has been a struggling democracy for years and I use the term democracy loosely, because the truth is, it is a very corrupt country.  We have been providng defensive weapons to Ukaine for a decade now.  Training their soldiers - all in the name of promoting democracy.  I don't think most of us thought too much about Ukraine, before it came to light that Trump was holding back their security assistance to put pressure on Zelensky to get dirt on Biden about his business dealings.  

Other than his business interests, I have no real idea why Biden took it in his head to start sending billions to Ukraine when the Russians attacked.  You rememer Zelensky was sure they wouldn't and they disregarded our intelligence.  I guess Biden had on his white hat and dreamed of "saving a democracy".  They are not NATO, although they have wanted to join for some time.  So now Biden has got us involved in this war, but I question if Americans are aware that he is borrowing money to fund it.  And are Americans so interested in seeing Ukraine win, that they are willing to increase the national debt.  I don't think most people are too happy to be under the threat of nuclear attack from Russia, because of Ukraine.  I'm not sure we are actually being told the truth about Ukraine - youi notice that the media is not giving it much play these days.  

So because Di Santis called it a territorial dispute, I'm not sure that makes him a Putin supporter.  He's right about what needs to be done here at home and it doesn't take a genius to see that we could be setting ourselves up for another Afghanistan.  Even if Ukraines manage to chase the Russians out, do you really think that they will stay out, unless we put a base or troops in there?  We sure can't keep sending them billions.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	A Russian Supporter
Date:	3/16/2023 1:18:48 PM

I always find it amusing watching Democrats lining up with neocon RINOs in the march to war with Russia, the very people they used to denigrate and excoriate.  The old saying that politics does indeed make strange bedfellows is at work with this one.  As I pointed out above, these buffer countries between Russia and Europe have always been the unlucky recipients of the ongoing tug of war, under the guise of greater security from aggression.  I personally think there are good arguments for assisting Ukraine and good arguments for being reluctant to do so in any significant way.  Absent the real and increasing threat of China I might be more inclined to help them as it is never a  bad thing to limit Russia's expansionist aims. 

But I live in the real world and I am 100% certain that China would love nothing more than us getting into a shooting war with Russia.....in fact, it would not surprise me in the least if Xi has prompted Putin to provoke us (ala the downing of our drone and other provacations).  They know full well we cannot be in a military conflict with both Russia and China at the same time.  Xi doesn't care what happens to Russia but wiill supprt them to keep us distracted.   A perfect opening for them to move against Taiwan...not that having Brandon in the White House isn't enough of a motivator to take advantage of this historic opportunity.

The left accusing people that are reluctant as being pro-Putin is nonsense.  I am not pro-Putin (I detest the guy and think he is an evil kleptocrat), I am pro America and I am struggling to understand the current fixation with Ukraine. 

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	A Russian Supporter
Date:	3/16/2023 3:25:32 PM

After the wire transfers from China to the Biden family are fully revealed in the House, the bribes from Ukraine will be next and you will understand.  The Biden family is compromised.  It's not all that complicated.  I'm just shocked that this board believes the MSM stories.

all just a matter of time.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Verbosity rules….
Date:	3/16/2023 4:32:08 PM

Compare my post above with other three…does the verbosity reach the same conclusion?  Just kidding with ya’ll!!!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	From True Republicans Not Forum RINOs
Date:	3/16/2023 6:13:01 PM

If Putin wins will he rebuild the country? Will the money come from the NATO and /or China?

"Several top GOP senators are pushing back on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' position that "becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia" is not a vital U.S. national interest.

DeSantis' statement terming the war a "territorial dispute" sparked backlash from members of his own party, including Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., early Trump backer Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.

Cornyn, the senior senator from Texas, told ABC News that he doesn't understand why DeSantis -- a veteran himself -- would be against shoring up support for Ukraine amid Russia's invasion."

Name:	Lighthouse -	Reply
Subject:	From True Republicans Not Forum RINOs
Date:	3/16/2023 6:30:11 PM

Any Concervative that wants to destroy our country by bankrupting us is a RINO

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	From True Republicans Not Forum RINOs
Date:	3/16/2023 6:30:26 PM

They never seen a war they don't love.  Wonder why?  

We have no business being in Ukraine and we have spent 200 billion that should have gone to America like Ohio and storm damaged states.  When will we Americans finally get it that we are broke!  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Verbosity rules….
Date:	3/16/2023 6:39:56 PM

They say brevity is the soul of wit and on that score you clearly win.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	From True Republicans Not Forum RINOs
Date:	3/16/2023 6:43:10 PM

Imagine that, Republicans with a difference of opinion.  Unlike Democrats we do not march in lockstep like mindless fools.  Debate and disagreement are healthy.  Plenty of Republicans support Ukraine, plenty don't and many like me are wavering in one direction or the other.  Ya see Goofy, we are fine with disagreements and debates and don't have to enforce group think like the left.  So what you see as a bug we see as a feature of people with brains that can think and come to their own conclusion without being told what to think.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	From True Republicans Not Forum RINOs
Date:	3/17/2023 5:31:39 PM

Well, you see. it is much easier it is to be a Democrat.  They don't have to think, they just find out what the party line is for the day and slavishly follow and espouse it.  No inconvenience of having to listen/read, process, and decide.  Leaves more time and energy to royally screw more young kids' lives with CRT, gender dysphoria, and incivility.