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MartiniMan
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Massachusetts Health Care - a Train Wreck
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4/9/2010 2:09:04 PM
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In probably the biggest black eye for Mitt Romney, MassCare, a prelude to Obamacare, is falling to pieces.
Guess where health care costs are highest? Massachusetts.
Guess where the non-profit insurance companies are requesting rate increases from 8% to 35%? Massachusetts.
Guess where the Governor and Attorney General have refused their request for a rate increase, expressed shock that the actual cost of health care was rising much faster than in the rest of the country and is now attempting to order non-profit insurance companies to sell insurance at a loss? Massachusetts.
Guess where there is a huge problem of people buying health insurance when they have a medical condition and then dropping it when they get better (also known as adverse selection)? Massachusetts.
What is even worse is this is exactly what Obama is expecting and wants. You see, the difference between Massachusetts and the Federal government is that when they drive all the insurance companies out of business with price controls they will simply replace them with a single-payer system making every single citizen of the country beholden to the government for such an important and personal aspect of their lives, health care.
This is why a majority of Americans opposed Obamacare before it was passed. This is why Dems are going to pay a heavy price in November and again in 2012. This is why Obamacare must be repealed and replaced with sensible reforms of the insurance industry to promote competition, bring the consumer closer to the purchasing decision, resolve the issues of portability and pre-existing conditions, allow for competition across state lines, implement sensible tort reform, etc.
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GoneFishin
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Massachusetts Health Care - a Train Wreck
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4/9/2010 10:29:39 PM
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"In probably the biggest black eye for Mitt Romney, MassCare, a prelude to Obamacare"
Why do you reference Obama's plan Obamacare but Romney's plan MassCare?????? I don't see any offical health plan titled Obmamcare other than by Wing Nuts. Romney was almost your candidate in 2008. Would you have voted for him and overlooked RomneyCare??????
That sounds better than MassCare.........RomneyCare........
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Lifer
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Don't forget Hawaii
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4/10/2010 7:46:52 AM
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They instuted 'free' health care also. After only 6 months they saw the writing on the wall and abolished it. The main issue was folks dropping their current coverage in order to get the 'free' option from the state. The difference is they had enough sense to run form it early on. Google it for more details.
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MAJ USA RET
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Massachusetts Health Care - a Train Wreck
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4/10/2010 10:18:37 AM
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I wonder, GF, if you don't have also that sick feeling in YOUR stomach that something has gone wrong with our country. Do you think life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is improved? Are YOU spending and hiring? Are YOU cutting back on expenses?
I want to retire. But, I don't dare. The government will eat up my savings in new or increased taxes. My health care is getting more expensive because of OBAMAcare (TriCare was supposed to be free for the rest of my life when I went into the military in '68). I didn’t make a fortune while serving my country during the prime years of my life. I come from a long line of soldiers and sailors. I won’t be inheriting a pot of money. The price of a tank-full of gas is significant to me.
I worked. I served. I saved. I followed the advice of financial experts. I saved enough for us to be modestly comfortable, in a small house, for my golden years. I’ve stayed out of debt. And now I find I have to share the hard earned results with those who didn’t.
Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have viciously attacked the ethics and values of people like me. They have begun to skim the enjoyment off of life for middle income retirees. They will rob our children and grandchildren. It is robbery… because only the government can operate such a ponzi scheme.
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MartiniMan
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Semantics don't matter so call it what you want
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4/10/2010 10:20:36 AM
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Fine, call it RomneyCare or whatever you want to call it. The fact is RomneyCare" is a prelude to ObamaCare and it is a disaster as will be ObamaCare. You are so fixated on semantics while ignoring the broader and only important point of the post.
And unlike left wing nuts I squarely put the onus on Romney for promoting this debacle in the very first sentence. At least I am intellectually honest unlike you and the other left wing nuts that can't seem to find one thing wrong with anything the Messiah does....but then again focusing on the things he has done wrong would be a full time job so I can't say that I blame you.
As for my supporting Romney in the primaries it was one area that I disagreed with him but when looking at the entire landscape of GOP candidates he still seemed best to me and in my view would have been a much better candidate against Obama but we will never know.
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MartiniMan
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I can answer that....he doesn't
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4/10/2010 10:23:34 AM
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He believes in the redistribution of wealth. He thinks you were just lucky and it is fair to have the government take money from you at the point of a gun and give it to others less fortunate than you. He may vehemently deny this but he voted for Obama and defends everything the Messiah does. Don't judge him by his words but by his actions in supporting big government leftists.
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GoneFishin
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Why Is It
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4/10/2010 2:26:44 PM
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that everyone I talk to or read on this forun who opposses Obamacare has health insurance? The plan is far from perfect. Martini says eliminate pre exisiting conditions. How do you propose to accomplish that feat? Newt says reform by contolling costs. The dirty secret is that health care costs will continue to escalate simply because we are living longer lives and total medical expenses, not necessarily costs of procedures, obviously go up as we age.
The alternate is screw those without insurance since I have it. That works except on Sunday when you go to church and listen to a sermon about the good of man.
I recently received a renewal for my boat insurance and they included a statement that I did not qualify for the lowest rate. I called them and was told my rate on a scale of 1-10( 1 is lowest rate) was a 2 because according to my credit report I did not have a credit card before I was 30. That was so many years ago I can't even remember what it was like to be under 30. My parents taught me you pay cash or you don't buy it. My first card was at age 32 they said so I will be penalized because I practiced good financial sense.
I don't like increased taxes or the obnoxious debt that we have as a nation under Bush and now Obama anymore than you do. I don't approve of all that has occurred under Obama anymore that I assume you agreed with Bush 100%.
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MartiniMan
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Why Is It
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4/10/2010 3:34:41 PM
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I oppose ObamaCare because I know from hundreds, if not thousands, of years of historical fact that government does almost nothing well. Why is that every leftist that sees a problem thinks the government is the solution? Why is it that a majority of Americans oppose a government takeover of heath care? Why is that 85% of Americans that have insurance are happy with it? Why is that government's solution to every problem is a government takeover.
You are too ideologically blind to see what is patently obvious and historically irrefutable, government does almost nothing better than the private sector.
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GoneFishin
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Why Is It
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4/10/2010 4:00:37 PM
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I don't understand your point that "Why is that 85% of Americans that have insurance are happy with it?" It is those that DON"T have insurance that is the problem. Are you blind to that fact? After the debacle in 1992 with hillaryCare, the insurance compaanies were going to move forward to resolve some of the issues of pre existing and affordable coverage. They did nothing and now we have Obamacare. If you republicans did more than give the issue feeble lip service during the 8 years of Bush we could ahve resolved some of the issues with less gov't involvement. Bush and the republicans implemented Medicare D for prescriptions with government subsidy. Maybe, they taught Obama that gov't involvement was a necessary evil.
You sound like Carl Sagan "thousands and thousands of years ago" the cavemen realized that gov't involement was the kiss of death.
Hope you are having a most enjoyable weekend.
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MartiniMan
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Why Is It
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4/10/2010 11:50:31 PM
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You have made my point exactly GF. Why in the he!! does the Obama administration have to screw up the entire system rather than address the small minority that do not have insurance and actually want it!?!?!? Explain that to me! The fact is if you remove all those that do not want health insurance or are not eligible (i.e., illegals) you are talking a small percentage of the American public. And yet, rather than focusing on them and proposing sensible reforms they have gone for this massive government takeover and are screwing all of us.
You are invincibly ignorant if you do not understand that!!! You act as if those of us who have insurance are blind to the problem. That is so wrong it is stupid. We do not and have never had a problem with government proposing common sense fixes to these problems. What we have a problem with is liberal idiots who think that the solution to these problems is a massive takeover of everyone's health care. C'mon GF, you are not that ignorant or ideological to see the sense of that are you?
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GoneFishin
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Please Help This Invincibly Ignorant Person
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4/11/2010 12:23:07 AM
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Be specific and tell me how you as a small business owner will be impacted by this massive takeover of the group insurance plan that you provide to your employees? Will it be easier or more difficult for you to obtain coverage? Leave out the political rhetoric. Thanks.
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MartiniMan
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Deep sigh from the very depth of my soul
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4/11/2010 9:06:39 AM
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GF, you absolutely do not understand why this issue is so important to us and it is truly maddening. I don't have a clue how this is going to specifically impact my business and my ability to buy health insurance because it is 3,000 pages of incomprehensible garbage written by lobbyists, staffers and SIEU thugs. One thing I know for certain - SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE ME WILL BE PAYING MUCH MORE IN TAXES. I've already been told that my my CPA, my auditor and CFP. That is money that the government takes away from my business which means lost jobs. I am not going to repeat this education because I have done it numerous times and if you don't get that you never will.
What I believe will also happen, based on the historical record, is that health care costs will rise dramatically (see above), insurance companies will be forced by the government to leave the business (see above) and we will eventually have single payer. Then you will have cost control, rationing, most of your doctors will be from the third world - see Canada, England, etc., etc., etc. What makes the left invincibly ignorant is their amazing ability to look at obvious historical fact about the awful results of socialized medicine all over the world and assume we will somehow be different. So far you haven't said one word in defense of the debacle in Massachusetts but have simply gone off on nonsensical tangents. You ask what it means to me and yet you haven't even tried to explain how ObamaCare is going to be different than RomneyCare (there...I said it again just to make you happy). I wish you luck because it is a parallel program...even the administration has said that several times. Of course the government media covered up the real story about RomneyCare until after it was passed.....funny how that works isn't it? Why now? Why all of the sudden we get these horrific stories about what is going on in Massachusetts?
This is why the left cannot be trusted with power. Every generation we need to be reminded of that but a what cost this time? And I mean it, the left cannot be trusted to govern. They are simply too dangerous and too incompetent.
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