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Mack
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Perilous Points to Ponder>>>
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11/15/2012 6:38:07 PM
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I just finished a session of Neal Boortz (Blast of 11/15/2012) in which he made some pretty unsettling points.
First, he blasted the GOP for allowing social issues like abortion and gay marriage to dilute the GOP message to too many voters. Not arguing with those issues, but they were not an issue that helped a victory.
Next, he warned of some pretty nasty tax changes coming to us soon.
1. Increase taxes of those over $250,000. That targets small business owners, most of whom will scale back operations and lay off employees to neutralize the tax burden. Who gets laid off? Mid to lower income folks who will claim unemployment and go on welfare. Why not?
2. ObamaCare. Actual implementation is still fuzzy. But, to a business owner, the result will be higher cost to their payroll. What do they do?? Repeat Number 1 above.
3. Social Security "Means" Test. The idea is to eliminate/reduce payments to those the Govment decides don't need it. Based on how much these people have been able to save from their pay over the years. This is a "Trust Fund" backed by the full faith of the US Govment, funded by the recipients themselves and bled dry by that same Govment. Neat Ponzi Scheme.
4. Wealth Tax. This is my favorite, and I did not know that Billy Boy Clinton had floated the idea during his stay in DC. The idea is to tax your balances in 401K, IRA's, savings accounts, who knows, maybe even your equity in your home. Tax it now, then again when you withdraw it. How nice.
If this election was simply a contest between the Republicans and the Democrats for control, that would be OK by me. But it was not simple. It turned out to be a choice between Capitalism and Socialism. The voters were blinded by rhetoric from both sides, lies from both sides. They voted for a Socialist agenda. And, they have no clue about the cost of that system or who is going to pay.
I am very fearful that when some of the taxation/healthcare schemes are implemented, and layoffs accelerate, we are going to see some violence in the streets across the country, and the faces in the mobs will be from all races.
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MartiniMan
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Neil Boortz is partly wrong
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11/15/2012 9:38:12 PM
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How does he come off blaming the GOP for the focus on social issues? He falls for the same crap that all nutty libertarians fall for, blaming the GOP because the govt media and Democrats try to focus on social issues and then demonize someone for answering a question. Tell me how Romney focused on social issues. When he was asked about abortion he answered the question. And whe asked about contraception he said no one is talking about that and why is that even an issue?
On his other points I agree with him. But him blaming the GOP when it is the govt media that constantly raises these issues and then demonizes is just plain wrong. This is why libertarians will always be a fringe group.
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Mack
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Neil Boortz is partly wrong
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11/15/2012 11:17:55 PM
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Looks to me like the GOP has just become a fringe group.
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MartiniMan
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 8:42:08 AM (updated 11/16/2012 8:43:59 AM)
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The GOP controls 30 governorships, 27 state houses, the House of Representatives and has enough seats in the Senate to filibuster. Libertarians used to have Ron Paul and that was pretty much it. The left loves libertarians just as much as we love the Green party.
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Mack
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 8:12:19 PM
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I don't know how to express this without sending you into a tirade about how the GOP is the last best hope. But, I will try. Do your best.
The power to create social and financial disaster is at the Federal Level. Republican governors and state houses do not get a vote on such issues. I have seen a demographic map of the US and how voters made their choices in the election. The whole map was RED except for very dense population centers, mass ethnic concentrations, and areas where union affiliation counted. Plenty enough BLUE to continue the march to oblivion.
The majority voted for Obama, not Romney. They voted for free stuff to continue. They voted for union wages to be high. They voted to further tax their definition of the "Rich". They voted for ME/NOW.
The GOP does not have an answer to that voter mentality, and a debate about abortion or gay marriage is now trivial to the new MAJORITY. And, with birth/immigration rates, the majority is growing. They do not care for the idea of individual responsibility, financial, moral or otherwise.
So, yes, I think the GOP with this election has become a fringe group. The GOP's message does not resonate with enough voters to change the suicide dive we are in. It is, maybe, the best hope we have to reverse the trend, but not today. Those who are taking outnumber those who are giving.
And, GF and Archie do not contribute to a solution, do they?? Why debate them on trivial issues?
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comrade
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 8:52:28 PM
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Bully!
And I second the irrelevancy of GF and Arch - they are just cogs in the wheel.....like trying to convince an alcoholic to quit drinking
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GoneFishin
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 9:00:31 PM
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"Democrats faults are many......
Republicans ONLY two............
everything they say, and everything they do.
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comrade
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 9:10:22 PM
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Is that a quote? (please reference the source) Or did you just make it up?
Regardless, it's a real keeper
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MartiniMan
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 10:35:27 PM
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Mack, it's not a tirade about the GOP that you will get. To be clear, I am an American first, social and fiscal conservative second and Republican a distant third. But I am a realist and recognize that no matter how imperfect they may be, Republicans A) are much closer to believing what I believe, and B) actually have a chance of getting elected and influencing government.
It's not that I don't agree with Libertarians on a lot of fiscal issues. I clearly do. It's that Libertarians can't and won't win national office. To vote for them is to cut off your nose to spite your face. I am not into pyrrhic victories. But I can assure you that you and GF are reading way too much into Oblamers victory. We know how he won and had the GOP put forth a true conservative he or she would have beaten Obama. I understand your frustration with the GOPmand it is legitimate. But they are not a fringe party and Democrats will not win every time. Never happened and never will.
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Mack
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 11:05:26 PM
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Now that, MM, is a post both truthful and thoughtful. Appreciate it.
But, in the future, would you please not group me in any way with GF???
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comrade
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 11:09:48 PM
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I think you aren't recognizing the fact that Republicans and Libertarians are in the same anachronistic boat (maybe a Viking warship with some big breasted female carved into the bow - just one more reason to be disgusted with them) :-)
Now where is my free stuff?
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MrHodja
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Why do you think that?
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11/16/2012 11:43:56 PM
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And if the Governors held that much sway Kasich would have delivered Ohio.
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4691
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Why do you think that?
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11/17/2012 9:26:56 AM
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i think an article in the Dec. 3rd issue of the National Review named "The Party's Problem" hits the mark. interesting read. Sorry, i think you need a subscription to view so i'm not posting a link. Long article, but in short, the GOP is missing a middle-class message. The belief held by current leaders in the GOP that the GOP needs candidates further to the right to win is the very reason the GOP will continue to shrink. To win elections you need to receive more votes than the other side; a simple concept the GOP ignores. (The Democrats understand this very well...so well that they even allow the dead to vote.)
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Lifer
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Why do you think that?
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11/17/2012 1:44:47 PM
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Your argument that states have no say in the fiscal responsibility at the federal level is exactly why the 17th Amendment must be repealed. Up until it was ratified in 1913 the Senate was the states representative and were appointed by the state legislatures to lobby for their State's interest. Every country on the globe and virtually every company, group, club, or organization etc. has someone on K st. in D.C. whose sole job is to lobby the feds for benefits from the largesse of Washington politicians. Now every state pays lobbyist to do what the constitution originally called for Senators to do.
Our Republic was originated as a collection of free and separate States. The Senate was to make sure each of the several States had equal representation. The progressives pushed the change starting in mid 1800's. This struggle we are battling now has been a long time coming. Sadly I feel like they may have finally won.
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MartiniMan
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That was a cheap shot....sorry
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11/17/2012 3:43:09 PM
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I realize to truly lump you in with GF it would require removal of half your brain.....a painful and dangerous operation. My apologies again. :-)
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