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MartiniMan
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 8:50:22 AM
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If you want to see the present and future of America we don't just have Greece as an example, just look to what is happening in the UK right now. Public spending cuts results in trade unionists engaging in violent protests. This is exactly what we saw in Wisconsin where out of the 120 arrests, over 100 of them were from out of state and not even directly impacted by the cuts and changes to the collective bargaining process. The government employee class is transitioning into the criminal robber baron class. Funny, I can't ever remember any violence at even one Tea Party rally
and yet they are a threat to America? Heck, they even clean up after
themselves unlike the criminal slob government workers in Wisconsin.
Folks, those that work for the government at our personal expense are at war with us and all they want is more of our hard earned money so they can have better salaries and benefits. How ironic that the middle class is now suffering from class envy but its not the rich, its government workers and their fat salaries, fat pensions (sometimes multiple pensions), fat benefits packages that they barely pay for and job security to boot (sometimes through tenure). Its time to turn the tables on them and say enough is enough. Its time to return some sanity to the world and acknowledge that we cannot afford their lavish lifestyles! Its time to end the money laundering scheme between unions and politicians.
In the past I recognized government workers for what they were, unable or unwilling to thrive in the private sector so they took government jobs for less pay, more security and decent benefits. Some worked hard for what they made but many were just punching a time clock and collecting their payola. Then along came the unions promising ever more in salary and benefits if they just were willing to participate in the money laundering scheme. Suddenly while private sector employees lost millions of jobs and those that were working were asked to do more with less, government workers saw job growth, their income rise above the average private worker, their benefits increase, etc. Now that this is threatened they resort to protests and violence to try to get what they want. We need to oppose them at every turn and elect people who will work to restore a sense of sanity to the world.
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Talullahhound
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 9:07:04 AM
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Hehehe....you are so funny. Thanks for a laugh early on a rainy Monday morning.
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MAJ USA RET
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The UNION class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 9:51:25 AM
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In my military and post-military careers, I have encountered many DoD and DoE (Energy) civil servants. By and large, they are as dedicated as the private workforce. However, the ineffective, recalcitrant, slothful civil servant cannot be fired (I know Hound will take exception). It is possible but not without arduous, time consuming, and seemingly endless paperwork. Now, they have unions which make the “release for cause” process even more odious. Tenure is synonymous with union membership.
In the private work force, where unions are not involved, the firing process is (of course) much more efficient. There are labor laws that prevent “unlawful termination.” Some of us are “exempt”, that means that no cause is required… we work at the convenience of the company and can be released at the convenience of the company. If we are productive and profitable, we get to stay.
I find MartinMan’s argument harsh, but defensible in terms of history. I concur – when government work rules, compensation, and benefits are brought into parity with the private workforce, then the effective civil servant will have nothing to fear and the animosity between private and public sector will have no basis in fact.
Our bloated government needs to go on a diet… for its sake… and ours. Otherwise: Greece – Ireland – Wisconsin – England – California (LA) – soon Portugal – Illinois - and then the Untied States?
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MAJ USA RET
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Flight
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3/28/2011 10:11:55 AM
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Did you see where Caterpillar is threatening to leave Illinois with its 23 THOUSAND workers? Several states have extended Caterpillar a written invitation. The governor of Illinois wants to meet with the Caterpillar CEO. If the state does not give them tax relief, my money is on Texas.
Illinois is too late trying to solve its deficit crisis, no amount of excruciating taxation can save them… we, the taxpayers of the nation, will bail out the “Grasshopper” state. Watch closely. Caterpillar’s solution is to move away from the fire.
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Jim Dandy
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 11:27:08 AM
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Went to renew my boat registrations in Dadeville on Friday. Miss Pleasant, who was clearly doing me a favor, kept getting text messages on her personal phone. Each time she would give out a loud sigh, then read and respond to the message. Had four renewals - took close to 35 minutes, with the line growing behind me. Must have been important messages to drop everything everytime one came in and (sigh) respond.
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MartiniMan
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Just keeping it lively
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3/28/2011 12:06:05 PM
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Hound, glad to provide you with a chuckle. For me, considering how much I pay in federal, state and local taxes it is just not all that humorous. I sometimes catch myself sitting there, daydreaming about all the private sector jobs I could create with the cash the government takes from me at the point of a gun.....but alas, the blood sucking leeches will have none of that. I used to understand and sympathize with those that went to work for the government. Sometimes you had talented people that really went there for the lifestyle......lots of vacation and holidays, 9 to 5 hours, job security, decent benefits, etc. Exactly why my wife went to work for EPA. Good job, decent pay, good benefits, etc.
But I have nothing but disdain for those that take to the streets like animals when their payola is threatened, especially those that work for state and local governments that cannot print money to cover up their fiscal irresponsibility. It would be like me demanding a raise and bonuses from my company when we are losing money. Only the greedy and irresponsible would do that.......
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Talullahhound
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Just keeping it lively
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3/28/2011 1:49:26 PM
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You leave out an important part of why people work for the federal government -- it's not for the benefits, pay or job security --- more often than not, it is because they want to serve their country and make a difference. You may scoff at that, but almost all of the people that I worked with -- and believe me, they would have no problems getting private sector jobs -- wanted to make a difference. Even if you reduced the benefits, and took away the job security, people would still want to serve.
Over the years, I had lots of opportunities to go to work in industry. Could have gone there when I retired. But I felt that in my work I was making a difference in a way that I could not in industry.
I can't speak to why people go to work for state and local governments. I suspect that the location, job security, etc play a role in that decision. I've been finding out how many people here are just set against moving for a job, even when jobs aren't plentiful, so a government job probably seems like a dream come true.
I realize that this concept is very far from your mindset. But some of us grew up with the idea of wanting to make a difference. At the time I began my career, the military did not seem like a good option for women, but working in defense as a civilian did.
And I've gone on record here saying I don't support collective bargaining for public servants.
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Talullahhound
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60 Minutes
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3/28/2011 2:03:29 PM
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last night had an excellent piece on why companies are establishing their headquarters overseas, particularly in Switzerland which has an extremely low tax rate.
I think the states have been aware for some time that their drawing new business to their state depends on tax incentives.
You'll never get an argument from me that government could be streamlined and made more efficient. One thing that could be done immediately is to empower the employees to make decisions at the lowest possible level. There is far too much CYA, and that means kicking decision making to the highest possible level -- and putting a lot of layers of rubber stampers in between. Another is to eliminate redundancy. Compatible computer systems. Getting any change in government is like moving an iceberg (before global warming :-)
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Talullahhound
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 2:12:33 PM
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Ah, but that happens in private industry too. I can't tell you how many times my transaction has been put on "hold" because someone's electronic leash vibrates. That's just poor management and should be addressed everywhere.
But, I feel your pain. I've been there. One day, I actually had to restrain myself from grabbing someone's cell phone and throwing it at them. The other day in the Drs. office, the receptionist was chatting away on her cell phone, while asking me all the usual questions. It didn't seem to occur to her that I might not appreciate sharing my information with an unknown 3rd person or that at the very least it was rude. I really had no interest in her family issues.
Or when I was having my nails done that I might not appreciate the manicurist's daughter coming in and talking non-stop and demanding her mother's attention. It ended up taking over an hour for something that should have taken no more than 30 minutes, if the service provider had paid attention to what she was doing.
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MartiniMan
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Just keeping it lively
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3/28/2011 3:10:59 PM
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Hound, appreciate the comments and don't necessarily disagree that some want to serve their country but the vast majority of government workers do not work for the federal government (1.8 million versus over 8 million). They work for state and local government and for the vast majority of them it is just a job. And their value to private industry based on their government experience is close to nil.
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Jim Dandy
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 3:41:15 PM
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Least we forget - you can always go to another doctors office or a different nail salon (vote with your feet/dollars) if management doesn't address the problem. Short of moving to another county, where the same condition probably exist, the same option doesn't apply to government services.
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Talullahhound
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 4:32:39 PM
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That's true. I wonder what would have happened if you had asked to speak to her supervisor? Or asked her if she would please put down her cellphone and finish your transaction? I wonder sometimes if we are our own worst enemy because we accept this and then complain about it later. If we made an issue of it, maybe it would stop.
BTW, my BIL was in some state office recently, trying to get copies of a document he needed for a legal action he was filing. He said that he stood at the counter for 15 minutes and while some employees were standing around in the back talking, no one offered to help him. So he went around the counter and asked if anyone could help him. They got upset that he breached the counter, but he finally did get some help.
But, it is still bad management whenever it happens, and it needs to be addressed, whether it is the county government or the local retail outlet.
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Jim Dandy
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 4:47:55 PM
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I thought about complaining, but she was probably the manager.......
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Feb
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The outrage of the entitled class...gov't workers
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3/28/2011 5:58:28 PM
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I would recommend knowing the name of your County Supervisor. I had to resort to contacting mine a couple of years ago and it worked with instant results.
I have also heard it helps to attend public meetings if you can (hard for most part-timers) and provide specifics as you have here.
Have you ever had any pleasant experiences provided by public or civil servants? I have had several and a nice thank you and a smile was their reward.
We tend to only recall the bad experiences and judge the rest by this experience.
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slapoutomm
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workers not only government
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3/29/2011 4:39:24 PM
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Went to local pharmacy for prescription fill. They say we are behind it"ll be about an hour. Okay I leave come back in 2. The drive thru is packed I go inside , I wait because 2 pharmacists and 1 employee is standing around a computer talking, 1 employee running around trying to retrieve prescriptions, this employee not getting any names right no matter how many times repeated. I get my turn , they have no idea who I am , takes forever , finally my presciption is laying in the same place it was 2 hours ago .
A line is forming behind me same problem as me finally pharmacist starts filling prescriptions as we show up. I keep saying I can run a business way better than this.
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Summer Lover
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Don't try
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3/29/2011 5:29:59 PM
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Entering the boat repair business around here, with CAT, NCII and Clearwater, I think they got that service thing down...
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