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Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   gubment listening
Date:   8/22/2013 8:07:15 AM

nsa logo

URL: NSA 'goes after man who mocked agency'

Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   ...OR THE MAN WHO MOCKED THE AGENCY
Date:   8/22/2013 8:42:53 PM

The NSA claims access to 75% of the internet. This must be the amount of it that they CAN data mine. Those huge awesome computers play mix-n-match and connect-the-dots… grinding away on which IP address is contacting which IP address. The data passes through gates and wickets. Some relationships and frequencies attract the machine’s attention.  These addresses are funneled to a new series of deeper mining… key words… key places… key routing… key suspects. If these (and how many other levels?) are productive, the actual communications are forwarded to human analysts for (probable cause) scrutiny.

The NSA only has time to scrutinize approximately 0.00004% of traffic (that’s 4/1,000,000)… and your sleazy emails don’t interest them. No matter how much porn you look at… download… they don’t have time for you. No matter how many times you engage in Tea Party language …or rant about the death of our nation… or disparage the Pretender-in-Chief… the NSA does not have time to fool with you.  It’s not likely they would notice a drug deal or a bank robbery going down. That’s NOT what NSA (and their world partners) is(are) are seeking to discover.

Let me ask you, have YOU ever been interviewed by the media? I’ll bet you found it amazing what THEY heard you say and how THEY presented it.  NSA has NO chance, in this yellow journalism environment, of ever getting its explanation accurately presented. To add to NSA’s burden, they have to calm the public without giving away the farm.

Worry about something else… the ObamaCare data hub comes immediately to mind.





Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   ...OR THE MAN WHO MOCKED THE AGENCY
Date:   8/22/2013 11:39:29 PM

We both seem to agree that journalism is the problem.
The truth can be swayed by spin, rumor, bad information, disinformation, and outright lies.

It seems that our opinions - what we believe to be true - are formed from journalism.

What if the source of fact has an agenda and journalism itself has an agenda?
What if the agenda ain't very American apple pie and might piss off Jesus?

So what we believe about 911, Benghazi, Seal team 6, Vietnam, Afganistan, Boston bombing, et all
is what we are told to believe. Most people will defend their beliefs passionately irregardless of them
making any sense.

So is the gubment the winning team to cheer, or is the gubment gassing children in the middle east
to further its agenda?

The URL includes a hacked email from a defense contractor.  How would we know what to consider to believe
without this Bradley Manning type of info?


URL: syrian-chemical-attack

Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   LET'S JUST BE SMUG ABOUT IT
Date:   8/23/2013 8:51:14 AM

“So is the gubment the winning team to cheer, or is the gubment gassing children in the middle east to further its agenda?”

I’m confused about your position. I would recommend against cheering for the government in favor of cheering for our Republic (and its founding document).  The only “gubment gassing children in the middle east” is accomplished using chemical weapons (AKA WMD) removed from Iraq prior to its being appropriately conquered by the Coalition.

“The URL includes a hacked email from a defense contractor.  How would we know what to consider to believe without this Bradley Manning type of info?”

“Chelsea” Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden are the types who would spit on a Burger to punish their employer (and/or customer).

We are learning that NSA was partnering with other national intelligence agencies to enhance global coverage and mutual defense against terrorism. (I would not be surprised to see Russian agencies involved.)  So the whole accusation(s) against NSA goes appropriately to “motive.” Where, in this whole “spying on Americans” falderal, do you see our intelligence agencies even interested in any of our own personal sordid communications?

Under ObamaCare, HHS in cooperation with the IRS, Social Security, Medicare et al, is operating a “Data Hub” which will be manned by un-vetted, low education, “navigators.” These navigators will search the database on behalf of “qualified clients” to share information which “improves benefits” to citizens.

YOUR medical records, financial information, and personal data ARE ALREADY being collected in this yet to be secured data base. Ask your doctor next time you see him or her. What do you think the IRS is doing with your info? Why should the Census be interested in your race and income?

Will you have ANY control over who gets your personal information? You should have less faith in the motive and security of the HHS Data Hub than you do in Facebook or Gmail or Google. How difficult will it be for hackers to gain access to a system operated by low income-low information-unknown employees working with a system created by a government contractor who had no experience with such a data system.

- - - - -

NSA is following a mandate to secure our nation while protecting our constitutional rights as best they can without exposing their methods to our enemies. Can you say that for the ObamaCare Data Hub. Which of these two activities is getting a “pass” by the media?

Sleep well my friend. We will ALL pay the price for smugness.





Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   Qualified Navigators
Date:   8/23/2013 9:02:33 AM

“Chelsea” Manning and Edward Snowden, would both be qualified to be "navigators" for the HHS-ObamaCare Data Hub. 

Just wait until one of those “navigators” gets angry at his (or her) employer.





Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Qualified Navigators
Date:   8/23/2013 11:47:41 AM

“So is the gubment the winning team to cheer, or is the gubment gassing children in the middle east to further its agenda?”

I’m confused about your position. I would recommend against cheering for the government in favor of cheering for our Republic (and its founding document).  The only “gubment gassing children in the middle east” is accomplished using chemical weapons (AKA WMD) removed from Iraq prior to its being appropriately conquered by the Coalition.


Yes cheer for the republic.

Cheer for the presidency but not the president likewise.


The Iraq chemical weapon precursors came from Texas.


“The URL includes a hacked email from a defense contractor.  How would we know what to consider to believe without this Bradley Manning type of info?”

“Chelsea” Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden are the types who would spit on a Burger to punish their employer (and/or customer).

These guys took oaths.   Secret and constitution.
The smell got so bad that constitution trumped secret.
Their lives are screwed now.
A sacrifice worthy of Jesus.
They are heroes.


We are learning that NSA was partnering with other national intelligence agencies to enhance global coverage and mutual defense against terrorism. (I would not be surprised to see Russian agencies involved.)  So the whole accusation(s) against NSA goes appropriately to “motive.” Where, in this whole “spying on Americans” falderal, do you see our intelligence agencies even interested in any of our own personal sordid communications?


           You and I are the terrorists.  Read the definition.

           Cognizant ex military #1 on the list.

           Government is force, not reason.


Under ObamaCare, HHS in cooperation with the IRS, Social Security, Medicare et al, is operating a “Data Hub” which will be manned by un-vetted, low education, “navigators.” These navigators will search the database on behalf of “qualified clients” to share information which “improves benefits” to citizens.

YOUR medical records, financial information, and personal data ARE ALREADY being collected in this yet to be secured data base. Ask your doctor next time you see him or her. What do you think the IRS is doing with your info? Why should the Census be interested in your race and income?

Will you have ANY control over who gets your personal information? You should have less faith in the motive and security of the HHS Data Hub than you do in Facebook or Gmail or Google. How difficult will it be for hackers to gain access to a system operated by low income-low information-unknown employees working with a system created by a government contractor who had no experience with such a data system.


             I agree that IRS TSA type morons with guns handling our data is a problem.

             It's a done deal.  Data is being moved and morons are being hired under

             a federal hiring freeze under a frozen debt limit under an organization

             that actively condemns Tea Party speech.

             Wasn't Learner supposed to run this section of the IRS?

             Just the tip of the iceberg.

- - - - -

NSA is following a mandate to secure our nation while protecting our constitutional rights as best they can without exposing their methods to our enemies. Can you say that for the ObamaCare Data Hub. Which of these two activities is getting a “pass” by the media?


               Trading freedom for security gets you neither.

               There are no terrorists to fight.

               "Terrorists" convince you to trade.

                The media convinces you terrorists are under your bed.

Sleep well my friend. We will ALL pay the price for smugness.     Ditto





Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   Qualified Navigators
Date:   8/23/2013 12:01:24 PM


I find your writing very difficult to follow. I am still not sure of your position. I think I agree with you, in part.

Perhaps you could explain how you believe we SHOULD be fighting international terrorism... instead of how we shouldn't.

(Please, breathe between sentences.)




Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Qualified Navigators
Date:   8/23/2013 12:44:30 PM

International terrorism is just a false flag.

Shoot yourself in the foot.
Blame the guy with a towel on his head for shooting you.
Go plunder the towel guy.



Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   I'm Sure
Date:   8/23/2013 12:59:06 PM (updated 8/23/2013 1:00:38 PM)


...you know what you mean by your words (metaphor, maybe).

I witnessed terrorism in Iraq. I did not imagine the indiscriminate carnage. I do not want another demonstration of it ANYWHERE... especially here in my country. 

There is a dichotomy between my experiences (and beliefs) and yours. I therefore don't understand the disconnect in our posts.

Let's call it a draw.




Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   I'm Sure
Date:   8/23/2013 1:08:41 PM (updated 8/23/2013 1:09:55 PM)

I too have trouble following shortbus' postings, but it seems he/she is saying our government is inherently evil. While there may be evil people in our government I know and have known many people working in government, to include the intelligence community, and strongly disagree that our government itself is evil. Shortbus also comes across ac a conspiracy theorist. While we owe it to ourselve to engage in responsible inquiry, many conspiracy theorists see everything as a conspiracy, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   I'm Sure
Date:   8/23/2013 1:29:26 PM

Very intuitive, MrHodja.

Paranoia will destroya.
It's an alternative to having one's head in the sand and one's derriere in the air.






Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   I'm Sure
Date:   8/23/2013 2:43:40 PM (updated 8/23/2013 2:46:04 PM)


Be not confused, MrHodja,  about the difference between "erudite curmudgeon" and "verbose air-head."  One of those to you have to earn... the other... well... "removes all doubt."



Name:   MrHodja - Email Member
Subject:   I'm Sure
Date:   8/23/2013 8:38:40 PM

I answer to logic and reason, foreign concepts to liberals and airheads.



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Someone's Sure
Date:   8/26/2013 5:58:19 PM

written today.................

Specifically, the declassified files expose the deeply nefarious relationship between the Reagan-led United States government and Iraq’s Saddam Hussein. And just as Obama decries the chemical attacks within Syria that were actually launched by his administration as a pretext to military action, it is now revealed that Reagan played the same card back in 1988.




http://www.storyleak.com/cia-files-us-aided-saddam-chemical-attacks/

URL: Gassing now, gassing then

Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Someones Sure
Date:   8/27/2013 11:24:09 AM (updated 8/27/2013 11:25:20 AM)

written today 14 hours ago


http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/



Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   Someones Sure
Date:   8/27/2013 8:09:55 PM


Shorty... you are a bit naïve... and myopic.



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Someones Sure
Date:   8/27/2013 10:27:43 PM

Please criticize the message, not the messenger.
Even better, pick a concept and support your thoughts with some logic and or fact.
Thank you.



Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   Someones Sure
Date:   8/28/2013 9:14:27 AM


displacement behavior



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   RU Sure?
Date:   9/3/2013 11:25:59 AM

It is true Saddam Hussein used chemicals weapons. The Reagan administration and the U.S. Department Commerce made sure Iraq received all the biological and chemical weapons it required. Phillips Petroleum, Unilever, Alcolac, Allied Signal, the American Type Culture Collection, and Teledyne sold the materials with the blessing of the United States government. I wrote about this in late 2002 as the Bush administration ran its Iraq weapons of mass destruction scam as a pretext to invade the country, an endeavor that eventually killed more than a million Iraqis (piled atop more than a million previously killed under sanctions) and that ultimately resulted in the execution of the CIA dupe Saddam Hussein.

Now we learn that the CIA helped Saddam Hussein attack Iran with chemical weapons in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war. 20,000 Iranian troops were killed by mustard gas and nerve agents including sarin and 100,000 were wounded.



URL: Alcolac

Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   RU Sure?
Date:   9/3/2013 9:52:45 PM


Closer to the rest of the story.................................

http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/08/28/mounting-evidence-raises-questions-about-syrian-chemical-weapon-attack/

URL: syrian chemical weapon attack

Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   RUssians Sure?
Date:   9/5/2013 12:39:55 PM

The Russian end of the story

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/05/201268/russia-releases-100-page-report.html#.UiizHn_pyO5

URL: russia-releases-100-page-report

Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Saudis Sure?
Date:   9/23/2013 10:25:47 AM

Best I can tell the children were gassed to make way for a future Saudi pipeline.

http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia-threatens-to-end-career-of-ap-reporter-over-chemical-weapons-story/

URL: No 1st amendment in the iddle east

Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Qualified Navigators
Date:   9/27/2013 8:05:41 AM

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/172047#.UkVzgn_-tv1

URL: Snowden nominated for highest Euro Human rights prize

Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   ...OR THE MAN WHO MOCKED THE AGENCY
Date:   11/27/2013 3:24:23 PM



URL: http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/11/pr.jpg

Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden
Date:   1/5/2014 3:18:39 PM

Some no longer think Manning and Snowden would spit on their burger.......................................................

 

 

http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/calls-for-snowden-clemency-grow-in-media-140105?news=852081&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Like congress clapping for the killing of a woman with child in car.  Opinions must change.





Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   ...OR THE MAN WHO MOCKED THE AGENCY
Date:   1/30/2014 11:38:46 AM

Snowden-the-nobel-peace-prize









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