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water_watcher
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Obama & Chavez
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4/20/2009 7:02:14 AM
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What is a matter with Obama? Shakes hands, smiles and laughs with Chavez that is totally anti-american. Could it be that Obama like the socialist approach that Chavez has and they are now going to support each other.
Watch out if Obama starts going after guns. The second amendment was put in place to protect people against government if they try to take too much power. The 10th amendment was put in place to protect the states from the federal government trying to control the will of the states. Yet the Obama administration is using the the Dept of Homeland Security to investigate the organizers of the Tea Parties. They said these people are radical because they are resisting the need for taxation in favor of more power at the state level.
Wow. Wasn't it the liberals that cried foul when terrorist phones were tapped, yet now they are investigating innocent americans because they don't want more takes and big government. This is getting scary.
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MartiniMan
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Obama & Chavez
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4/20/2009 8:56:59 AM
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This is exactly the kind of diplomacy that people wanted when they voted for Obama. So far he has spent way more time embracing our enemies than he has our allies who he insults and gives stupid gifts to. I suppose time will tell whether his appeasement will work. Its no wonder Sarkozy commented that Obama came across as weak and ineffectual. We now have the teleprompter-in-chief running around the world apologizing for our existence and embracing leaders who have called for the destruction of our country.
As I said, those who voted for the Messiah did so in the hopes that he would do exactly that. Let's all watch as we diminish in the dictators flourish. The hate America crowd is in ecstasy right now......
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muddauber
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Obama & Chavez
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4/20/2009 9:01:30 AM
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Yep. Been a tactic for some time now, no matter who is in charge. Anybody who disagrees is therefore Un-American. If you've got nothing to hide, you should not care your Bill of Rights are being trampled upon.
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Talullahhound
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Bear in Mind
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4/20/2009 3:04:17 PM
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That it was Chavez that sought Obama out, not the other way around. I can't read that much into a handshake and Chavez giving him a book.
I think it says more about Chavez than it does about Obama.
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MartiniMan
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We can always count on you
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4/20/2009 7:21:46 PM
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to apologize for the Messiah. So, what you are saying is that the leader of the free world can simply be sought out by any two bit dictator and he will be welcomed with smiles and multiple versions of a handshake like long lost brothers, all the while with cameras snapping away. Just a chance meeting that he couldn't possibly avoid...The Secret Service must be losing their touch. I can't wait to see him in a warm embrace with Achmadeniwackjob.....then Kim jon mentally il....... And then to be seen reading away the gift of an anti-American screed.....
The point is this is exactly what a lot of his voters wanted so why apologize for him? I hope it all works out but I am frankly skeptical. Seems a pretty standard art of statesmanship not to be seen embracing the leader of a country that is so at odds with our own. It simply increases his stature with other countries also at odds with the U.S. This was a very good day for Chavez and a very bad day for the U.S.
What next?!?!?
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Talullahhound
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We can always count on you
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4/20/2009 8:26:48 PM
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I'm not apologizing for him. I'm saying that Chevez sought him out, he didn't seek Chevez out.
You know I believe in his approach to diplomacy. I think you can shake hands with someone and still not agree with their rhetoric or beliefs....
I mean, if I met you, I'd still shake your hand despite our many differences... LOL
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cobra
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We can always count on you
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4/20/2009 9:36:44 PM
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Let’s face it. It’s only a matter of time before Hugo and the Castro brothers will be honored guests at the White House
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Talullahhound
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We can always count on you
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4/21/2009 1:08:18 AM
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I'm not so sure about that. It's a pretty wide gap between shaking hands with someone and having them to your house for dinner.
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water_watcher
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We can always count on you
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4/21/2009 6:08:28 AM
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Even if he did seek Obama out ... did you see the hand shake? Two hands, laughing and smiling like they are best of buddies. That is what is sick. If it was a casual handshake I would agree with you. But that is not what it was.
It's like the bow. The guy just doesn't get it. Then the whitehouse is still lying and saying it was not a bow. Well what was it then? Give me a break, what an embarrassment for our country to have the president of the US bowing to a king. Now shaking hands and laughing with a dictator and someone that opening hates the US.
I can see those running in commercials now 3 years from now. But I am sure there will be plenty more footage over the next few years.
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MartiniMan
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We can always count on you
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4/21/2009 7:15:27 AM
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And I'm saying that Obama wanted the meeting to happen regardless of who initiated it. You simply cannot ever get to the President of the United States unless he wants it to happen. Our Secret Service is way too dedicated for that. And for them to let the cameras snap pictures of their meeting with the smiles and handshakes was not by chance. Obama wanted it to happen and he wanted it to be photographed. It was not by happenstance and I think you know it.
As I said in my post, I know this is the kind of diplomacy you and others want. And if I met you I would shake your hand, give you a hug, bow to you and whatever. I would NOT bow to the Saudi king because his country represses Christians and supports jihad with money and young bodies. I would not shake hands with Chavez, I would tell him why he is wrong about the United States and wrong to ally himself with countries like Cuba and Iran. I would take the opportunity to educate him, not take a viral, anti-America book from him. I would politely decline and offer to send him Bill Bennett's America: The Last Best Hope. And I would offer to meet with him under certain preconditions that the nut job would likely never agree to.
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Talullahhound
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What I'm not Clear about
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4/21/2009 2:41:09 PM
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Is does Chavez openly hate the US or did he just openly hate Bush.
I can agree that I think these photo ops sometimes give a portrait of a man who is maybe bending over (no pun intended) a little too far to "open a dialogue" with these guys. The bow to the King of SA was totally weird and shouldn't have happened. And I agree that from the picture I saw, Obama maybe took the "grip and grin" a little too far -- maybe just a polite handshake would have been better. And I would definitely be against inviting the "twins" Chavez and Fidel over for beer and meatloaf. Not sure what kind of advice he's getting from the State Department, or from who over there. Some of the State Department desk people have a pretty flimsy grasp on reality.
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