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Talullahhound
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Idea floated by the Cruz camp
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3/17/2016 5:39:13 PM
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Since Donald Trump decided not to participate in the previously scheduled debate with Fox News, and John Kasich won't attend the debate if Trump doesn't, the Cruz camp said this morning that Fox should give Cruz an hour long town hall meeting just to himself, because he is willing to debate.
I find it rather amusing that Cruz is promoting the idea that he is the only one who can go head to head with Donald Trump and win. Now Cruz has been going head to head with Trump in the primaries and most of the time coming out a loser. Does anyone else find it funny that Cruz believes he can calll himself a winner even when he loses? If he thinks that the "establishment" GOP is against Donald, what makes him think they are going to embrace him? None of his colleagues liked him when he was a Senator.
Would love to be the mouse in the room of these campaigns and RNC meetings
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Lifer
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Idea floated by the Cruz camp
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3/17/2016 6:12:29 PM
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Cruz is still a senator and that ticks me off. IMHO anyone holding elected office should have to resign before running for another office. I guarantee if anyone in the private sector abandons their job to campaign would be promptly fired! Also NO taxpayer funded retirement for elected office except what they save on their own. Want a job with retirement benefits? Get a real job.
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MartiniMan
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Idea floated by the Cruz camp
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3/17/2016 8:02:58 PM
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I agree it's a silly idea but given Trump's decision I don't blame him for trying. To be fair to Cruz, Trump hasn't been over 50% in any primary and is usually in the 30's. Cruz's calculation is that most of the non-Trump vote would come to him. That is debatable with Kasich still in there and even if Kasich becomes realistic and gives up it is still open to question. I for one would prefer it to be head to head because Kasich has no hope for the nomination. I suspect his play is to try to be kingmaker but even that is a joke. Realistically all he can accomplish is to do what Christie did to Rubio, murder-suicide.
I think it is obvious the convention will be open as none of the candidates can realistically get enough delegates to win in the first vote. If Trump thinks he will be anointed because he has the most delegates he does not understand the process. Once the first vote fails to provide a nominee the delegates are no longer bound. That's when it will get really interesting and his bluster and threats will work against him. He needs to get working on this or he won't be the nominee.
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GoneFishin
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WRONG
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3/17/2016 8:51:08 PM
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"I guarantee if anyone in the private sector abandons their job to campaign would be promptly fired!" Except Trump.
I do agree with you that they should be required to give up their office when running for a higher office that requires 24/7 for 18 months. Or, if Cruz loves the country as he preaches, he should give up the office so a full time replacement can replace him. He must feel he will not win and wants to hold on to the senate seat. A more confident person would simply resign.
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Talullahhound
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Idea floated by the Cruz camp
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3/17/2016 9:22:37 PM
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The first time I heard this was today. What kind of strange poliitcal enterprise is that? You are committed until you aren't.
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MartiniMan
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No, it makes perfect sense
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3/17/2016 9:36:11 PM
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Think about it, there is no other option. If no one has enough delegates going into the convention the only way to get a nominee is for delegates to be able to change. The first vote rule protects a candidate with the required delegates from being robbed of the nomination. But they have to be able to change. Trump better figure this out or he may not win. He has to remember he is going to come into the convention needing delegates on the second vote. I can assure you Cruz understands that as did Rubio.
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Talullahhound
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No, it makes perfect sense
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3/17/2016 9:41:53 PM
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On the surface it does, but then there are the super delegates and I guess the delegates left over from those who left the campaign. Yes, I believe that a weasle like Cruz would know this and plan for it. He's he$$ bent to be President any way he has to win.
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MrHodja
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No, it makes perfect sense
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3/17/2016 10:07:28 PM
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Would he be worse than HRC?
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GoneFishin
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No, it makes perfect sense
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3/17/2016 11:34:10 PM
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Yes, if you are looking for a reply.
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architect
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No, it makes perfect sense
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3/18/2016 8:08:57 AM
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Easy, YES in my opinion, and if he is the nominee it will be seen that the American people think likewise. Ditto if it's Trump.
I wish we had better choices on both sides, but it is often we vote for the lesser of 2 evils and this year, with either Trump or Cruz vs Hillary, the lesser will be a lot lesser!!
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MartiniMan
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There are no superdelegates
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3/18/2016 9:04:05 AM
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Hound, you need to read up on the process. There are no superdelegates in the GOP. Each state has its own rules about how delegates are selected but unlike the Democrats it is all based on the vote in the state. As for calling Cruz a weasel, that is a silly cheap shot. Any of the candidates would approach this the same way as they should. I know you don't like Cruz but if you think any of the other candidates that you admire so much aren't he!! bent on being president then you are not paying attention.
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MartiniMan
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Proof he would be better than Shillery
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3/18/2016 9:23:52 AM
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Goofy is always wrong so his statement is a fantastic endorsement of Ted Cruz.
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Talullahhound
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There are no superdelegates
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3/18/2016 12:21:57 PM
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I don't know if I think that Ted Cruz would be better than HRC. That would be a horrbly difficult decision for me. I see Hilary as just an extention of what we have now; but I fear that Cruz would fundamentally change this country in ways I don't agree with. I hope it doesn't come down to that.
Yes, MM, I probably do need to read up on the convention process. I thought I heard the media refer to the superdelegates.
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MartiniMan
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There are no superdelegates
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3/18/2016 12:42:38 PM
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I heard a really interesting segment on Hugh Hewitt by a guy that explained the delegate process for California and how all delegates have to vote for whoever won them in the first vote. He said that is an RNC rule. After that it falls to state rules. Some like California are required to vote for whoever won them in the first two votes. Most states do not have that rule.
Land there is no way Cruz would be worse than Hillary. You may not like his beliefs but she is evil and corrupt. He will be tempered by Democrats and squishy Republicans.
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Talullahhound
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There are no superdelegates
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3/18/2016 1:04:55 PM
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But I believe strongly in a separation of church and state and he doesn't. And I don't think the vision of America he is painting is what he really believes. I don't know,MM, I just get very bad gut about him. And I don't think having him in the WH ensures a better relationship between the WH and Congress.
I dont think Hilary is evil, but I do think she is corrupt, and cares less about the country than about being the first woman President. I think her ideas are ridiculous and I disrespect her for pandering to the minority vote, when I don't think she care especially about the minorities. I think Sanders is probably much more sincere in his beliefs, as he has a long history of holding those beliefs. Additionally, I don't believe Hilary will be able to change the gridlock betwen the WH and the Congress either.
I guess I would say that if it comes down to Ted Cruz or someone they nominate from the floor, then I'd probably have to have to go with the floor nomination.
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GoneFishin
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There ARE GOP superdelegates
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3/18/2016 2:29:33 PM
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GOP has superdelegates but they operate differently from the Dems. See below:
"In the Republican Party, the only people who get superdelegate status are the three members of each state's national party. This means that in the GOP, superdelegates are only about 7 percent of the total number of delegates.
The more important distinction, though, is that Republican superdelegates do not have the freedom to vote for whichever candidate they please. The Republican National Committee ruled in 2015 that their superdelegates must vote for the candidate that their state voted for, and that's the biggest difference between Republican and Democratic superdelegates."
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GoneFishin
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[Message deleted by author]
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3/18/2016 2:29:34 PM (updated 3/18/2016 2:30:35 PM)
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MartiniMan
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Oh pullleeezzeeee....
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3/18/2016 3:45:12 PM (updated 3/18/2016 4:42:39 PM)
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You know what we are referring to with superdelegates, those that can vote for whomever they want regardless of the primary vote count as you see in the Democrat party. So no Goofy, the GOP has no superdelegates. Quit being dumb like the other left wing nuts.
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GoneFishin
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Oh pullleeezzeeee....
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3/18/2016 4:33:54 PM
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"for whoever" for whomever Genius needs to ask for a refund from the church for the education you never received. But unlike us Libs, you are perfect in your mind.
Have a great weekend.
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MartiniMan
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Oh pullleeezzeeee....
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3/18/2016 4:45:15 PM
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So once again you were being silly......stop by when you have something of value to add......yes, it's whomever.....
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GoneFishin
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Oh pullleeezzeeee....
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3/18/2016 5:26:02 PM
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I made a point which you may cconsider silly. The fact is clear that your party has superdelgates. How they operate is not the issue. You may call them whatever you wish.
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MrHodja
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There ARE GOP superdelegates
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3/18/2016 8:08:35 PM (updated 3/18/2016 8:11:36 PM)
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I really can't believe what you just posted. What you have described is delegates tied to the will of the voters. What is "super" about that? There simply is no way you can compare Republican "super delegates" with Democrat Superdelegates who thumb their nose at the voters and ensure the party favorite, not the voter favorite, wins the nomination. You really did just make the Republican case.
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MrHodja
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Oh pullleeezzeeee....
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3/18/2016 8:10:30 PM
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That is a bunch of output from the south end of a northbound male bovine.
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MartiniMan
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If you don't have something
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3/18/2016 9:29:22 PM
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intelligent to add I would just stay silent. Everyone except the brain dead Goofy knew what we meant by superdelegates.
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Shortbus
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GOP convention will be an all-out brawl
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3/21/2016 11:57:29 AM
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/21/roger-stone-predicts-gop-will-create-new-noxious-rules-at-convention-to-steal-nomination-from-donald-trump/
Here is the question.
What will the silent majority do when Trump is not chosen?
What should they do?
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Shortbus
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GOP convention will be an all-out brawl
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3/22/2016 2:09:19 PM
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Talullahhound
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GOP convention will be an all-out brawl
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3/22/2016 6:34:39 PM
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I think the GOP risks losing their majority in Congress if that happens.
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